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[DieHardYankee26]

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The Bartman situation is scary to me, almost as much for the way people look at it now as the way they treated him at the time. He's not a mascot, or a piece of Cubs history, he's a dude. If Bartman wanted to be seen, he would be seen. If he wanted to be at Wrigley Field, he would go. But he doesn't want any of it and people won't accept it. They wanted him at the Victory Parade, they want him for Opening Day, let that man live his life. It's just weird, even knowing his name it seems like he's public property. He didn't ask for any of this.

[TripleCrown9]

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The Bartman situation is scary to me, almost as much for the way people look at it now as the way they treated him at the time. He's not a mascot, or a piece of Cubs history, he's a dude. If Bartman wanted to be seen, he would be seen. If he wanted to be at Wrigley Field, he would go. But he doesn't want any of it and people won't accept it. They wanted him at the Victory Parade, they want him for Opening Day, let that man live his life. It's just weird, even knowing his name it seems like he's public property. He didn't ask for any of this.

That's the thing though. He is a part of Cubs history whether he wanted to be or not.

[Money99]

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That's the thing though. He is a part of Cubs history whether he wanted to be or not.

It should still be his choice whether he wants to be or not, though.
Fans and media will always remember but he doesn't owe anyone anything.

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[TripleCrown9]

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It should still be his choice whether he wants to be or not, though.
Fans and media will always remember but he doesn't owe anyone anything.

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Had he stayed in his seat, nobody would know the name Steve Bartman today. He did make the choice.

[Money99]

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Had he stayed in his seat, nobody would know the name Steve Bartman today. He did make the choice.

Do you mean if he hadn't gone for that foul ball or if he wasn't escorted out?

I guess we agree to disagree.
He did what 99.9% of fans would have done.
I don't believe he deserves what's happened to him.

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[CMH]

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Had he stayed in his seat, nobody would know the name Steve Bartman today. He did make the choice.

He made the choice to catch a foul ball. Which every fan near a foul ball attempts to do.

He didn't choose to do anything else.

[TripleCrown9]

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Do you mean if he hadn't gone for that foul ball or if he wasn't escorted out?

I guess we agree to disagree.
He did what 99.9% of fans would have done.
I don't believe he deserves what's happened to him.

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I mean if he hadn't touched it. If the guy next to him is the one, his name is the one in the history books.

As for the bolded, I completely agree. But to say he isn't now and forever a part of the Cubs' past is false.

Hell, the Sox have won 3 World Series in the past 13 years and people still bring up Bill Buckner.

**** happens.

[DieHardYankee26]

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I mean if he hadn't touched it. If the guy next to him is the one, his name is the one in the history books.

As for the bolded, I completely agree. But to say he isn't now and forever a part of the Cubs' past is false.

Hell, the Sox have won 3 World Series in the past 13 years and people still bring up Bill Buckner.

**** happens.

You're misunderstanding what I meant when I said he's not a piece of Cubs history. He is not the ball that Rizzo pocketed, he is not property of the Ricketts family. He is a man.

To act like he chose to put himself in this situation is ridiculous. And to say **** happens basically says that things are out of your control, so did he choose it or does **** happen? Bill Buckner is living his life, and he still was in the interim between when Boston turned on him and when they "forgave him". And like Eric Byrnes said when he quoted his wife, **** that. Boston didn't need to forgive him, it was up to him whether or not he wanted to forgive Boston. It's even worse with Bartman because he never even agreed to have his name and life be public information like you do when you decide to be a pro athlete.

[Sportsforever]

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I mean if he hadn't touched it. If the guy next to him is the one, his name is the one in the history books.

As for the bolded, I completely agree. But to say he isn't now and forever a part of the Cubs' past is false.

Hell, the Sox have won 3 World Series in the past 13 years and people still bring up Bill Buckner.

**** happens.

I have heard this comparison between Buckner and Bartman several times in the last week...I don't get it at all. Buckner was a professional athlete who PLAYED for the Red Sox and was involved directly in costing his team a game/championship. Bartman was a fan who may or may not have even interfered with a play that didn't have an effect on the outcome of a Game 6 in an LCS. Bartman is only a part of history because of Cubs' fans and their response...with some help from Moises Alou. The two situations aren't even close to the same.

[redsox4evur]

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If anyone wants to watch some more baseball the Arizona Fall Stars Game is on MLBN.


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[Blzer]

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I mean if he hadn't touched it. If the guy next to him is the one, his name is the one in the history books.

Exactly. This is huge. If Bartman got up to get a hot dog when this happened, that ball would have been touched by another fan. Period. Even if the other guy didn't touch it, every individual sitting there who attempted to reach out for the ball is equally as guilty for any moral crime that Steve committed.

Having known this historical fact or not, you try and go back in time as Bartman, let this foul ball happen and you play "stay behind the yellow tape" as you expand your arms out and stop grown, belligerent animals from pursuing a fly ball on national television, and see how they would react if Alou whiffs and the ball hits the cement on a large hop, going farther up into the stands for another set of crowd members to get.

Will the world understand what you were trying to do? Absolutely, without a doubt everybody watching that game that is not within reach of that foul ball will forgive you. You would be highly regarded for it as well. But in that moment, in the dusk's late light the only thing that appears within your periphery is a pearly white dot that is slicing right toward the direction of your head. The last thing on your mind, whether you've seen this incident before or not, is that you're stopping a ball from being played by your team's defense.

It's not like it was a ball trickling down the line fair as he leaned over the railing to pick it up and stop the bases from circling (though I think this would only haunt the Cubs if they were on offense and more runs could have scored, or something). That play is a completely different presence of mind entirely, not to mention that one is also affecting a ball on the side of play.

And all of this is besides the fact that not only was it in dead ball territory so it's a fan's every right to do with the ball what they must, and not only is there no guarantee that Alou catches that ball (though I have admitted later in time seeing the play more that I think he would have), but that eighth inning explosion exacerbated by the Gonzalez error really made me say that this thing was not this man's fault even if you want to assign blame.

Poor guy.

[Speedy]

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Yeah...I mean somehow, this guy got out of being vilified.



Moises Alou thru a temper tantrum at Bartman, even though it's not 100% Alou would've caught that ball...meanwhile, Alex Gonzalez botched a routine DP ball that would've ended the inning.

Also didn't help that FOXsports chose not to move on either.

[SPTO]

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I saw a little of the AFL Fall Stars game...Hoo boy, the Rays and Red Sox have a couple pitchers that may be throwing some real gas in the big leagues soon.

[Money99]

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If anyone wants to watch some more baseball the Arizona Fall Stars Game is on MLBN.


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Why must you tease those who can't get access to the MLBN??
Damn you Rogers!!!


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[Majingir]

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Why must you tease those who can't get access to the MLBN??
Damn you Rogers!!!


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MLBN is on Rogers.....