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[WaitTilNextYear]

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I don't have issue with the netting they've put up...it's been over due. I do take issue with anyone thinking they can make it ALL safe. At some point you walk out your door...and anything can happen.

Nah, I walk around cocooned in netting all day so I'm good.

Seriously though, I just don't like how some people equate expanded netting to tyranny or have such righteous indignation that people somehow deserve to get beaned for being millennials not paying attention. There are kids and elderly and conversations and people eating and scorecard filling out and, yeah, technology also. But, baseball is sold as a venue where people can go to relax and take in a leisurely game with no time limits--not a place where anyone with somewhat decent seats should have to feel like they're merging onto a busy interstate or dodging a paintball round every time a batter takes a whack. There is just such a chasm between the common sense of simply having sensible precautions for fast-moving objects and the affrontery of having a few extra squares of netting to look through. Boo frickin' hoo.

[Sportsforever]

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Nah, I walk around cocooned in netting all day so I'm good.

Seriously though, I just don't like how some people equate expanded netting to tyranny or have such righteous indignation that people somehow deserve to get beaned for being millennials not paying attention. There are kids and elderly and conversations and people eating and scorecard filling out and, yeah, technology also. But, baseball is sold as a venue where people can go to relax and take in a leisurely game with no time limits--not a place where anyone with somewhat decent seats should have to feel like they're merging onto a busy interstate or dodging a paintball round every time a batter takes a whack. There is just such a chasm between the common sense of simply having sensible precautions for fast-moving objects and the affrontery of having a few extra squares of netting to look through. Boo frickin' hoo.

I don't think people are that upset about the netting...I've watched a few games with it and I honestly didn't even notice it. You do have to wonder though...what has changed? What I mean by that is was this always a problem? I have heard that the new ball parks are "more intimate", meaning you are closer to the action. I don't know if I buy it though...Fenway, Wrigley have been around forever. Ebbets Field was cozy. Have there been always been instances of fans getting hit?

[WaitTilNextYear]

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I don't think people are that upset about the netting...I've watched a few games with it and I honestly didn't even notice it. You do have to wonder though...what has changed? What I mean by that is was this always a problem? I have heard that the new ball parks are "more intimate", meaning you are closer to the action. I don't know if I buy it though...Fenway, Wrigley have been around forever. Ebbets Field was cozy. Have there been always been instances of fans getting hit?

I think there's some of that. But it's also fact that pitchers are throwing harder than ever and a lot of the exit velocities would be harder as a result. Balls are getting into the stands quicker. People are also more distracted than they've ever been. Sort of a combination of physics and social behavior. Not to mention if someone gets hurt you see it immediately in the media whereas in the past you would've just read about it in the paper. Not the same visceral reaction.

[dubcity]

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Nah, I walk around cocooned in netting all day so I'm good.

Seriously though, I just don't like how some people equate expanded netting to tyranny or have such righteous indignation that people somehow deserve to get beaned for being millennials not paying attention. There are kids and elderly and conversations and people eating and scorecard filling out and, yeah, technology also. But, baseball is sold as a venue where people can go to relax and take in a leisurely game with no time limits--not a place where anyone with somewhat decent seats should have to feel like they're merging onto a busy interstate or dodging a paintball round every time a batter takes a whack. There is just such a chasm between the common sense of simply having sensible precautions for fast-moving objects and the affrontery of having a few extra squares of netting to look through. Boo frickin' hoo.

Amen. This isn't Darwin's theory where the weak should weeded out because they aren't paying attention, or their response time is slower lol. But there does seem to be this idea out there that it's a reasonable risk, and it just forces people to pay closer attention to the game. It's just dumb. Just because it's been like this for so long doesn't mean it's right.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Amen. This isn't Darwin's theory where the weak should weeded out because they aren't paying attention, or their response time is slower lol. But there does seem to be this idea out there that it's a reasonable risk, and it just forces people to pay closer attention to the game. It's just dumb. Just because it's been like this for so long doesn't mean it's right.

Seat belts didn't start to become law until New York passed their state law in 1984. As we all know, automobiles came about just a bit earlier. Countless times throughout history, technologies and procedures have been improved on as they've matured.

[Jr.]

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People will complain about anything to complain. Let them preach their tradition and revert to hyperbole because there isn't actually a good argument.

[Blzer]

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Only thing I'll say is if I'm a season ticket holder and they obstruct me with netting the following year, I better be paying less for my seat as well.

Rangers ballpark looks too familiar, or just not all that special at least.

[TheMatrix31]

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I don't think people are that upset about the netting...I've watched a few games with it and I honestly didn't even notice it. You do have to wonder though...what has changed? What I mean by that is was this always a problem? I have heard that the new ball parks are "more intimate", meaning you are closer to the action. I don't know if I buy it though...Fenway, Wrigley have been around forever. Ebbets Field was cozy. Have there been always been instances of fans getting hit?

What's changed is that everyone else has whined their way into success with their pet grievances so the Perpetual Outrage Brigade thinks that this coordinated push can get this to happen too. It's nothing more than "Yeah we can do that, what are you gonna do about it? What's wrong with you, it's not that big deal anyway, I promise you. Don't you want safety? Do you hate (insert group of people here) or something?"

Like with everything else, daring to have a different opinion than "The Deciders" is looked down upon. You're simply backwards and steeped in traditional thinking and "get with the times mannnnn!" And oh boy with a frantic pace all these teams announced their change. Wouldn't want to be left out and ostracized for not "acting immediately!" right?

That's what *I* care about. Just another example of that bull****. Another totally transparent push. I don't give a **** about those ugly nets from a personal standpoint because I typically sit higher.

From a general point of view I didn't like sitting behind the netting before a few times when I've sat behind home plate or closer to the action. I found it obstructive and an eyesore and difficult to grab pictures but that's my choice. That's why I don't sit closer now. Though where I prefer sitting, a ball can maim me there too. If I had a kid I wouldn't sit that close either, because I'm actually responsible. I sat behind the visitors dugout at an Angels game earlier this season and it was really cool to see all the kids rushing up after each inning and fans interacting and calling to the players overall with the players often returning the favor. We want baseball to grow bigger and more fun, yet we want to fence off the audience and diminish one of the coolest aspects of the sport, that intimate close experience and interaction? Eh. OK. Do whatever you want man.

[CMH]

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What's changed is that everyone else has whined their way into success with their pet grievances so the Perpetual Outrage Brigade thinks that this coordinated push can get this to happen too. It's nothing more than "Yeah we can do that, what are you gonna do about it? What's wrong with you, it's not that big deal anyway, I promise you. Don't you want safety? Do you hate (insert group of people here) or something?"

Like with everything else, daring to have a different opinion than "The Deciders" is looked down upon. You're simply backwards and steeped in traditional thinking and "get with the times mannnnn!" And oh boy with a frantic pace all these teams announced their change. Wouldn't want to be left out and ostracized for not "acting immediately!" right?

That's what *I* care about. Just another example of that bull****. Another totally transparent push. I don't give a **** about those ugly nets from a personal standpoint because I typically sit higher.

From a general point of view I didn't like sitting behind the netting before a few times when I've sat behind home plate or closer to the action. I found it obstructive and an eyesore and difficult to grab pictures but that's my choice. That's why I don't sit closer now. Though where I prefer sitting, a ball can maim me there too. If I had a kid I wouldn't sit that close either, because I'm actually responsible. I sat behind the visitors dugout at an Angels game earlier this season and it was really cool to see all the kids rushing up after each inning and fans interacting and calling to the players overall with the players often returning the favor. We want baseball to grow bigger and more fun, yet we want to fence off the audience and diminish one of the coolest aspects of the sport, that intimate close experience and interaction? Eh. OK. Do whatever you want man.

This is about safety and nothing more.

If you want to let politics seep into your thoughts on the subject, you're not seeing clearly.

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[DieHardYankee26]

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It's like getting a glimpse into an alternate universe where the internet existed in 1967:

"So what Tony C got hit? You want everyone to just follow the trend and put on ear flaps? Soft, buncha babies."

Wild.

[SPTO]

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The roofing is similar to what Seattle has at SafeCo and Houston in Minute Maid. It's an open air retractable roof stadium with windows.

I get it, maybe it's just the artist's representation but it looks like a bunch of panels attached together. Either way, stadium design has stagnated where save for a couple things here and there it's pretty much cookie cutter though I will give Atlanta props their stadium is pretty unique.

[ImTellinTim]

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Like I said, baseball makes exceptions...for example, in the case of Yankee Stadium they wanted to stay as close to the old Yankee Stadium dimensions as possible.

So why even have the damn dimensions, lol

[Sportsforever]

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So why even have the damn dimensions, lol

Who knows...I don't make the rules, I'm just stating what they are. I do think the idea is to have a standard, so designers at least have a starting point. From there, the dimensions are often subject to the already existing buildings (the B&O warehouse in Baltimore, for example). Probably a better way to do it would to NOT have a published rule and instead just have each team that is building a park submit their plan. If you think it's too small/large, don't approve it...

[CMH]

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It's like getting a glimpse into an alternate universe where the internet existed in 1967:

"So what Tony C got hit? You want everyone to just follow the trend and put on ear flaps? Soft, buncha babies."

Wild.

And that's the other thing. I think it's far too easy to assume this generation is soft or sensitive or whatever. The difference is we hear everyone now instead of a small set of people that push their own beliefs or agenda forward.

It's good and bad. But it's important to understand nothing has changed in how people think or feel. Only access to voice those feelings have.

With baseball, we just have more people speaking out and not just getting a comment from the commissioner to shut up about it.

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[SPTO]

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Speaking of stadiums, check this out

An artist made a picture of Old Yankee Stadium out of the names of every player who played in that ballpark.