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  • keRplunK
    MVP
    • Jul 2002
    • 4080

    #121
    Re: Damn Mariners, pull it together

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    SportsorDeath said:
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    keRplunK said:
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    athletics_fan said:
    Last year when Bob Melvin had the M's in 1st place in the AL West nearly all season long, I never heard anyone saying "Melvin is a terrible manager"...

    Give him time.

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    I've been saying that from the beginning. Not to mention the Mariners runs scored and runs allowed stats indicate they should've won 99 games vs 93.

    Bringing in Mike Myers in the 9th inning of a tie game with the heart of the A's order up is pure stupidity when you have Guardado.

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    I disagree. Look at the heart of the A's order: Chavez (lefty), Dye (righty), and Durazo (lefty). Chavez is weak against left handed pitching, Dye is on fire so it doesn't matter who is pitching, and Durazo is slumping terribly, which is magnified further against a lefty.

    The A's have hit Guardado really hard recently, too. You don't bring in your closer just because it is the 9th inning all the time. If the M's were ahead, then ok, I guess roll with it. However, imo, Myers was the right call to make with all those lefties batting. Some times it just doesn't work out. It's always easy to question something when it doesn't go the way it is supposed to.

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    If I recall Guardado is a lefty himself. Oh, and he also happens to be our best reliever. Oh, and the heart of the order was coming up which had Byrnes(righty)Chavez(lefty)Dye(righty)Durazo(lefty ). It wasn't possible for a save to happen in this game, it was tied and the top of the 9th.

    He brings Myers in to face the rigthy which is just plain dumb. He ends up walking him. He then proceeds to give up a hit to Chavez even with the good match up. On the other hand Guardado holds lefties to a .196 OBA, plus Chavez struggles against lefthanders probably = Out. Not to mention he probably retires Byrnes as well.

    This had nothing to do with the ninth inning. It had to do with the best matchups and the smartest move. Everyday Eddie should've been the guy.

    Melvin screwed up, and Sports, I don't think you have a very good point.

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    • SportsorDeath
      MVP
      • Jul 2002
      • 2870

      #122
      Re: Damn Mariners, pull it together

      You got me on Guardado being a lefty and me getting the A's order wrong.

      However, I never said it was a save opportunity. I was merely saying that most people have been conditioned to think the closer should be in there in the 9th unless they are way ahead or way down.

      Had Guardado come in and blown the game instead of Myers, would you have questioned the move as much?

      It's baseball. Stuff happens. No pitcher is always going to get everyone out, regardless of what the stats suggest. The fact still remains that the A's have hit Guardado hard dating back to his days with Minnesota.

      It's easy to question something after you see it backfire. If Myers had shut down the A's, would you still be calling it a stupid move?

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      • SportsorDeath
        MVP
        • Jul 2002
        • 2870

        #123
        Re: Damn Mariners, pull it together

        You got me on Guardado being a lefty and me getting the A's order wrong.

        However, I never said it was a save opportunity. I was merely saying that most people have been conditioned to think the closer should be in there in the 9th unless they are way ahead or way down.

        Had Guardado come in and blown the game instead of Myers, would you have questioned the move as much?

        It's baseball. Stuff happens. No pitcher is always going to get everyone out, regardless of what the stats suggest. The fact still remains that the A's have hit Guardado hard dating back to his days with Minnesota.

        It's easy to question something after you see it backfire. If Myers had shut down the A's, would you still be calling it a stupid move?

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        • SportsorDeath
          MVP
          • Jul 2002
          • 2870

          #124
          Re: Damn Mariners, pull it together

          You got me on Guardado being a lefty and me getting the A's order wrong.

          However, I never said it was a save opportunity. I was merely saying that most people have been conditioned to think the closer should be in there in the 9th unless they are way ahead or way down.

          Had Guardado come in and blown the game instead of Myers, would you have questioned the move as much?

          It's baseball. Stuff happens. No pitcher is always going to get everyone out, regardless of what the stats suggest. The fact still remains that the A's have hit Guardado hard dating back to his days with Minnesota.

          It's easy to question something after you see it backfire. If Myers had shut down the A's, would you still be calling it a stupid move?

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          • keRplunK
            MVP
            • Jul 2002
            • 4080

            #125
            Re: Damn Mariners, pull it together

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            SportsorDeath said:
            You got me on Guardado being a lefty and me getting the A's order wrong.

            However, I never said it was a save opportunity. I was merely saying that most people have been conditioned to think the closer should be in there in the 9th unless they are way ahead or way down.

            Had Guardado come in and blown the game instead of Myers, would you have questioned the move as much?

            It's baseball. Stuff happens. No pitcher is always going to get everyone out, regardless of what the stats suggest. The fact still remains that the A's have hit Guardado hard dating back to his days with Minnesota.

            It's easy to question something after you see it backfire. If Myers had shut down the A's, would you still be calling it a stupid move?

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            I still would question the move, dumb moves in baseball work all the time. Melvin really has been a very average manager up to this point. He's trying his best but he's coming up short. With Pinella I think the Mariners would have around 9-11 wins.

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            • keRplunK
              MVP
              • Jul 2002
              • 4080

              #126
              Re: Damn Mariners, pull it together

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              SportsorDeath said:
              You got me on Guardado being a lefty and me getting the A's order wrong.

              However, I never said it was a save opportunity. I was merely saying that most people have been conditioned to think the closer should be in there in the 9th unless they are way ahead or way down.

              Had Guardado come in and blown the game instead of Myers, would you have questioned the move as much?

              It's baseball. Stuff happens. No pitcher is always going to get everyone out, regardless of what the stats suggest. The fact still remains that the A's have hit Guardado hard dating back to his days with Minnesota.

              It's easy to question something after you see it backfire. If Myers had shut down the A's, would you still be calling it a stupid move?

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              I still would question the move, dumb moves in baseball work all the time. Melvin really has been a very average manager up to this point. He's trying his best but he's coming up short. With Pinella I think the Mariners would have around 9-11 wins.

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              • keRplunK
                MVP
                • Jul 2002
                • 4080

                #127
                Re: Damn Mariners, pull it together

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                SportsorDeath said:
                You got me on Guardado being a lefty and me getting the A's order wrong.

                However, I never said it was a save opportunity. I was merely saying that most people have been conditioned to think the closer should be in there in the 9th unless they are way ahead or way down.

                Had Guardado come in and blown the game instead of Myers, would you have questioned the move as much?

                It's baseball. Stuff happens. No pitcher is always going to get everyone out, regardless of what the stats suggest. The fact still remains that the A's have hit Guardado hard dating back to his days with Minnesota.

                It's easy to question something after you see it backfire. If Myers had shut down the A's, would you still be calling it a stupid move?

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                I still would question the move, dumb moves in baseball work all the time. Melvin really has been a very average manager up to this point. He's trying his best but he's coming up short. With Pinella I think the Mariners would have around 9-11 wins.

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                • dieselboy
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                  • Dec 2002
                  • 18040

                  #128
                  Re: Damn Mariners, pull it together

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                  keRplunK said:
                  I still would question the move, dumb moves in baseball work all the time. Melvin really has been a very average manager up to this point. He's trying his best but he's coming up short. With Pinella I think the Mariners would have around 9-11 wins.

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                  Maybe more.

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                  • dieselboy
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                    • Dec 2002
                    • 18040

                    #129
                    Re: Damn Mariners, pull it together

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                    keRplunK said:
                    I still would question the move, dumb moves in baseball work all the time. Melvin really has been a very average manager up to this point. He's trying his best but he's coming up short. With Pinella I think the Mariners would have around 9-11 wins.

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                    Maybe more.

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                    • dieselboy
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                      • Dec 2002
                      • 18040

                      #130
                      Re: Damn Mariners, pull it together

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                      keRplunK said:
                      I still would question the move, dumb moves in baseball work all the time. Melvin really has been a very average manager up to this point. He's trying his best but he's coming up short. With Pinella I think the Mariners would have around 9-11 wins.

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                      Maybe more.

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                      • Sabercatsfan
                        MVP
                        • May 2003
                        • 1443

                        #131
                        Re: Damn Mariners, pull it together

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                        dieselboy said:
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                        keRplunK said:
                        I still would question the move, dumb moves in baseball work all the time. Melvin really has been a very average manager up to this point. He's trying his best but he's coming up short. With Pinella I think the Mariners would have around 9-11 wins.

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                        Maybe more.

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                        Yep, Randy Winn is nice and all, but I really miss Sweet Lou.
                        Willie Mays Hayes: “Say hey! Willie Mays Hays here! Play like Mays, but I run like Hays!”


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                        • Sabercatsfan
                          MVP
                          • May 2003
                          • 1443

                          #132
                          Re: Damn Mariners, pull it together

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                          dieselboy said:
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                          keRplunK said:
                          I still would question the move, dumb moves in baseball work all the time. Melvin really has been a very average manager up to this point. He's trying his best but he's coming up short. With Pinella I think the Mariners would have around 9-11 wins.

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                          Maybe more.

                          <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                          Yep, Randy Winn is nice and all, but I really miss Sweet Lou.
                          Willie Mays Hayes: “Say hey! Willie Mays Hays here! Play like Mays, but I run like Hays!”


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                          • Sabercatsfan
                            MVP
                            • May 2003
                            • 1443

                            #133
                            Re: Damn Mariners, pull it together

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                            dieselboy said:
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                            keRplunK said:
                            I still would question the move, dumb moves in baseball work all the time. Melvin really has been a very average manager up to this point. He's trying his best but he's coming up short. With Pinella I think the Mariners would have around 9-11 wins.

                            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                            Maybe more.

                            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                            Yep, Randy Winn is nice and all, but I really miss Sweet Lou.
                            Willie Mays Hayes: “Say hey! Willie Mays Hays here! Play like Mays, but I run like Hays!”


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                            • dieselboy
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                              • Dec 2002
                              • 18040

                              #134
                              Re: Damn Mariners, pull it together

                              This season is terrible.

                              We are not getting it done in any aspect. Hitting, fielding, starting pitching, relief pitching, coaching, etc.

                              Seattle is tied for 24th in runs scored. It's 22nd in batting average (.257) and 27th in OPS (on-base plus slugging percentage). The starting pitching ERA is over 5.25 as is the relief pitching.

                              We have the 12th highest payroll, but we are terrible.

                              I'm not sure how much of the blame can fall on Bob Melvin, but I am sure he won't be back next year. Our team is old, and its finally coming up to us. We really don't have that much here in Seattle. The only pitchers getting it done so far this year is Garcia and Eddie. Ichiro has progressively been getting worse since his rookie campaign. Boone, Edgar, Wilson, Olerud, are all getting up there in years. I never liked the whole Aurilla move, I have never been a fan of him...

                              I'm just going to stop there. Because we all know about how poorly we are doing, and how poor the state of the team is.

                              We need to turn this thing around fast, or start rebuilding. I'm thinking the latter.

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                              • dieselboy
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                                • Dec 2002
                                • 18040

                                #135
                                Re: Damn Mariners, pull it together

                                This season is terrible.

                                We are not getting it done in any aspect. Hitting, fielding, starting pitching, relief pitching, coaching, etc.

                                Seattle is tied for 24th in runs scored. It's 22nd in batting average (.257) and 27th in OPS (on-base plus slugging percentage). The starting pitching ERA is over 5.25 as is the relief pitching.

                                We have the 12th highest payroll, but we are terrible.

                                I'm not sure how much of the blame can fall on Bob Melvin, but I am sure he won't be back next year. Our team is old, and its finally coming up to us. We really don't have that much here in Seattle. The only pitchers getting it done so far this year is Garcia and Eddie. Ichiro has progressively been getting worse since his rookie campaign. Boone, Edgar, Wilson, Olerud, are all getting up there in years. I never liked the whole Aurilla move, I have never been a fan of him...

                                I'm just going to stop there. Because we all know about how poorly we are doing, and how poor the state of the team is.

                                We need to turn this thing around fast, or start rebuilding. I'm thinking the latter.

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