Re: How I Want To Get Beltran
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Karlos05 said:
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Not biased at all, nice to have a level headed conversation
Yeah I think everyone and their grandmother can agree on is that the one thing that all Yankees fans want above all else is to see Beltran land somewhere other than Bostan.
True that Giambi has been feeling better and has been playing a lot of first as of late but still it's a long season and with the way his knee has been the last couple years it wouldn't take a lot for it to act up again. And if it does act up you lose a big bat in the lineup. Or it pushes a lot onto Joe Torre's plate. He then has to face the question does he DH Giambi and sit Bernie? I don't think he will because he sorta has a conncetion with the "core" players that got him to the Series in '98 Rivera, Bernie, Jeter and Posada. So it's nice to have an open spot where he can put a player, espically one with Giambi's bat, and keep him in the lineup.
One other thing is that if the Yanks are able to keep Giambi at DH having Tony Clark is not the end of the world. He's got a good glove and still has some pop in his bat. Plus I believe he's a switch hitter, not sure but I thought he was. Plus with the way that all the other Yankees are hitting right now they can more than provide for one spot in the order. Plus with the DH spot the Yankees can rotate and keep people fresh. They can give everyone a breather without pushing a big bat out of the lineup.
Scott Boras(who does seem to be the agent for everybody) almost always has his players hit free agency. If ANY team can get him to sign an extension before they trade them the stakes are upped because now he's just not a rental. But with the Yankees money they can afford to wait for him to become a free agent. They would miss out on him for 3 months but they would get to keep some of their prospects who they could use in other trades or call up and use.
The biggest concern for the Yankees right now has definatly got to be the pitching. Like I said before I would only jack up the price in the Beltran trades but devote most of my time to getting a pitcher. Garcia is going to be hard to get because everyone wants him and other teams can give more from their minor leagues to get him than the Yanks. I would look for Moyer or Benson other pitchers who they could pick up but won't have to clear the farm teams to get. Plus the Yankees also need a lefty out of the pen but no one of the top of my head comes to mind.
Gettign El Duque back will be a huge boost. I've heard he's slowly getting his speed back and should be ready pretty soon. He is a guy who can be a long reliever out of the pen or be a starter someone of quality the Yankees haven't had this year. It may take him a while to get back to form when he's in the majors but come September he should be a big shot in the arm.
No doubt that the Beltran would put the Yankees over the top for a ring but right now and the situation that their in I think the Yankees should play for pitching and wait for next year to sign him.
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Can't argue with anything you said. And you were exactlly right about Torre having a connection with his '98 vets, especially if you've watched as many Yankeeographys as I have.
I would also, on a moral level, rather have Bernie in then Beltran, but if this deal got done I guess Cashman and Torre would have to pray Giambi held up for the year.
Also since Torre and Cashman are so tight he wouldn't take on Beltran if he knew Torre would be put in a spot where he'd have to decide between Bernie and Beltran if Giambi couldn't hold up.
Also, maybe now that Contreras's family is here (who were released to Torre's family which I think is great) maybe he'll pitch better. If El Duque can get back to his '98 form then we'll be in great shape and can send Contreras to the pen as a long reliever which we need.
We desperately need a lefty in the pen because Felix Heredia isn't too reliable to come in and face lefties and Gabe White was just traded back to the Reds for Charlie Manning who was drafted at Pitcher by the Yanks in 2001.
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Yup a lefty in the pen and a starter is what I think the Yankees really need to be completely solid. Although with El Duque later in the year they could probably scrape by but it wouldn't be pretty. I've heard a couple times that when it's all said and done that Moyer will be a Yankee. He has two years left on his contract, he'll definatly waive his 10 and 5 to go to the Yankees and has a good playoff record so he would fit nicely. Plus it wouldn't take an overwhelming amount to get him from the M's . The lefty though, I can't really think of anyone who's on the market that would fit them. I'm sure they'll find someone but none are coming to mind
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Yeah on ESPN they said Moyer would waive his 10- and- 5 "in a heatbeat" to get on the Yankees. The problem is there are no real lefties on the block that I can think of at the moment, as a starter or in the pen.
I heard sometime earlier in the season the Yanks were after J.C. Romero from the Twins who is a very good middle relief pitcher but I haven't heard anything about him in months.
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Karlos05 said:
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deeman11747 said:
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Karlos05 said:
Not biased at all, nice to have a level headed conversation
Yeah I think everyone and their grandmother can agree on is that the one thing that all Yankees fans want above all else is to see Beltran land somewhere other than Bostan.
True that Giambi has been feeling better and has been playing a lot of first as of late but still it's a long season and with the way his knee has been the last couple years it wouldn't take a lot for it to act up again. And if it does act up you lose a big bat in the lineup. Or it pushes a lot onto Joe Torre's plate. He then has to face the question does he DH Giambi and sit Bernie? I don't think he will because he sorta has a conncetion with the "core" players that got him to the Series in '98 Rivera, Bernie, Jeter and Posada. So it's nice to have an open spot where he can put a player, espically one with Giambi's bat, and keep him in the lineup.
One other thing is that if the Yanks are able to keep Giambi at DH having Tony Clark is not the end of the world. He's got a good glove and still has some pop in his bat. Plus I believe he's a switch hitter, not sure but I thought he was. Plus with the way that all the other Yankees are hitting right now they can more than provide for one spot in the order. Plus with the DH spot the Yankees can rotate and keep people fresh. They can give everyone a breather without pushing a big bat out of the lineup.
Scott Boras(who does seem to be the agent for everybody) almost always has his players hit free agency. If ANY team can get him to sign an extension before they trade them the stakes are upped because now he's just not a rental. But with the Yankees money they can afford to wait for him to become a free agent. They would miss out on him for 3 months but they would get to keep some of their prospects who they could use in other trades or call up and use.
The biggest concern for the Yankees right now has definatly got to be the pitching. Like I said before I would only jack up the price in the Beltran trades but devote most of my time to getting a pitcher. Garcia is going to be hard to get because everyone wants him and other teams can give more from their minor leagues to get him than the Yanks. I would look for Moyer or Benson other pitchers who they could pick up but won't have to clear the farm teams to get. Plus the Yankees also need a lefty out of the pen but no one of the top of my head comes to mind.
Gettign El Duque back will be a huge boost. I've heard he's slowly getting his speed back and should be ready pretty soon. He is a guy who can be a long reliever out of the pen or be a starter someone of quality the Yankees haven't had this year. It may take him a while to get back to form when he's in the majors but come September he should be a big shot in the arm.
No doubt that the Beltran would put the Yankees over the top for a ring but right now and the situation that their in I think the Yankees should play for pitching and wait for next year to sign him.
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Can't argue with anything you said. And you were exactlly right about Torre having a connection with his '98 vets, especially if you've watched as many Yankeeographys as I have.
I would also, on a moral level, rather have Bernie in then Beltran, but if this deal got done I guess Cashman and Torre would have to pray Giambi held up for the year.
Also since Torre and Cashman are so tight he wouldn't take on Beltran if he knew Torre would be put in a spot where he'd have to decide between Bernie and Beltran if Giambi couldn't hold up.
Also, maybe now that Contreras's family is here (who were released to Torre's family which I think is great) maybe he'll pitch better. If El Duque can get back to his '98 form then we'll be in great shape and can send Contreras to the pen as a long reliever which we need.
We desperately need a lefty in the pen because Felix Heredia isn't too reliable to come in and face lefties and Gabe White was just traded back to the Reds for Charlie Manning who was drafted at Pitcher by the Yanks in 2001.
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Yup a lefty in the pen and a starter is what I think the Yankees really need to be completely solid. Although with El Duque later in the year they could probably scrape by but it wouldn't be pretty. I've heard a couple times that when it's all said and done that Moyer will be a Yankee. He has two years left on his contract, he'll definatly waive his 10 and 5 to go to the Yankees and has a good playoff record so he would fit nicely. Plus it wouldn't take an overwhelming amount to get him from the M's . The lefty though, I can't really think of anyone who's on the market that would fit them. I'm sure they'll find someone but none are coming to mind
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Yeah on ESPN they said Moyer would waive his 10- and- 5 "in a heatbeat" to get on the Yankees. The problem is there are no real lefties on the block that I can think of at the moment, as a starter or in the pen.
I heard sometime earlier in the season the Yanks were after J.C. Romero from the Twins who is a very good middle relief pitcher but I haven't heard anything about him in months.
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