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  • RunN1st
    MVP
    • Oct 2002
    • 2906

    #1

    To bat flip or not to bat flip? Who cares... make it fun again.

    To bat flip or to not bat flip! I coach 7-9 year olds in Little League and we try every practice/game to make baseball fun.

    We added a little twist to practice - We had a bat flip contest yesterday afternoon and the kids loved it. Not only that, our practices now include a mock commentary by one of the coaches and we use it to coach situational baseball. (I'm sure folks in their late 30s-40s would remember imitating Mel Allen or Vin Scully.) Needless to say, we (coaches) try to put ourselves in our kids shoes whenever we are out there. With one goal in mind, make it fun.

    In my younger days, adults were inside the house, not out monitoring every swing/throw/catch their kid was making. We had fun with baseball... whether it was with a tennis ball/stick, a wiffle ball/bat, 1-on-1 (playing strikeout) or a street game. Now it’s coached to a severe level of boredom. In fact, around here, if you want to play baseball, you better sign up. No more pick-up baseball games at the local park.

    Specifically here in CA - There are a litter of kids at the skate park (lighting included) which is located right next to the empty, yet carefully manicured little league field. Oh and there’s a big sign on the pitchers mound telling kids to stay off the field.



    I hope we see pick up games like this in the US one day again.
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    Baseball is awesome, it's a freakin' blast when it's done for fun there's no better sport (IMO).

    [end of rant]

    Kudos to to Greg Eno on some good info. re: Sandlot baseball - http://www.baseballplayamerica.com/page8.html
    Last edited by RunN1st; 10-15-2015, 02:11 PM.
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  • Master Live 013
    Hall Of Fame
    • Oct 2013
    • 12417

    #2
    Re: To bat flip or not to bat flip? Who cares... make it fun again.

    I don't care for the bat flip. I do think in Bautista's case the whole pose, look at the pitcher + bat flip was a bit too much. But that's just me. And I have taken into account the circumstances in which the homer took place.
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    • daflyboys
      Banned
      • May 2003
      • 18238

      #3
      Re: To bat flip or not to bat flip? Who cares... make it fun again.

      Not at lower levels. I equate bat flips with TD spikes. Bat flips at lower ages is not a prudent thing. They should be focusing on fundamentals and improving. Next thing you know, kids are gonna be on the mound posing with a bow and arrow or whatever other **** they pick up. I think it was last year's LL where the batter was pointing the bat at the pitcher and waggling it, like "I dare you". It's not good for the yoots.

      Next thing you know then crowds are gonna act like jackasses more than they already are at youth/HS events. You'll have fans yelling "SWING" to the other team's 8 year old, scrawny 2B at the plate. Bottom line is don't open the door to this garbage.

      Bat flips in MLB --- I don't give a flip.

      Bat flips elsewhere --- no.

      Bat flips in slow pitch softball --- most are probably too drunk to give a ****.
      Last edited by daflyboys; 10-15-2015, 12:12 PM.

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      • kehlis
        Moderator
        • Jul 2008
        • 27738

        #4
        Re: To bat flip or not to bat flip? Who cares... make it fun again.

        Baseball is fun without bat flips. You need to teach them why it's fun, not give them artificial reasons to think its fun. Teaching this at a youth level is just not a good look at all....

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        • Amoo316
          MVP
          • Mar 2010
          • 3609

          #5
          Re: To bat flip or not to bat flip? Who cares... make it fun again.

          I could care less about the bat flip, I thought it was pretty hilarious in fact. What I didn't like was the "need" to even look at the pitcher at all. I realize it was only like half a second, but still, just not necessary. I played baseball growing up and through high school. Never once did I feel the need to look, glance, mumble, point...etc in the direction of the pitcher assuming he didn't just brush me back off the plate.

          I hit leadoff and stole tons of bases. No need to look or glare or even glance at the pitcher/catcher...etc when stealing a base. It's just not necessary. He'll get plunked in their first game next year, and his reaction will determine how things play out from there. Hopefully he does the right thing and puts his head down and trots to 1st base, because honestly he earned that one. Again, not for the bat flip, for me it was the glance.
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          • ImTellinTim
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            • Sep 2006
            • 33028

            #6
            Re: To bat flip or not to bat flip? Who cares... make it fun again.

            At least it wasn't a wall scraper and his 2nd career home run.

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            My opinion? Who cares? Be better at pitching if you don't want it to happen.

            I agree that you shouldn't necessarily be teaching kids that kind of stuff, but you're damn right we bat-flipped, taunted, and laughed at each other in pickup games. That was part of the fun.
            Last edited by ImTellinTim; 10-15-2015, 12:49 PM.

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            • daflyboys
              Banned
              • May 2003
              • 18238

              #7
              Re: To bat flip or not to bat flip? Who cares... make it fun again.

              I don't even like the stick ball scene in some baseball promotion commericial with the street kid saying something like "bye bye... see you later!"

              Somebody smack that kid.

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              • fatleg3
                MVP
                • Aug 2008
                • 3602

                #8
                Re: To bat flip or not to bat flip? Who cares... make it fun again.

                I didnt play baseball past high school but i hit my share of home runs. In the moment of watching the ball, i didnt realize what i was doing with the bat. And watching the ball fly past the fence was a natural reaction.

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                • Speedy
                  #Ace
                  • Apr 2008
                  • 16143

                  #9
                  Re: To bat flip or not to bat flip? Who cares... make it fun again.

                  What's wrong with players these days?

                  You'd think players would be like Emmitt Smith and just give the umpire the bat then run around the bases.

                  ...which I would then proceed to laugh profusely at.
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                  • CaseIH
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                    • Sep 2013
                    • 3945

                    #10
                    Re: To bat flip or not to bat flip? Who cares... make it fun again.

                    Originally posted by Master Live 013
                    I don't care for the bat flip. I do think in Bautista's case the whole pose, look at the pitcher + bat flip was a bit too much. But that's just me. And I have taken into account the circumstances in which the homer took place.




                    Same here. I don't really mind a guy doing a bat flip, and that with being a former pitcher even, but I did feel Jose's went over the top a little, and wasn't right. I also felt Dyson should have just left it at that, as there will be next year, and he can get pay back by drilling him. I can see why there was so many different emotions in that game though, so its kind of hard to know exactly what I would have did if I was in that situation at that time.
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                    • 55
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                      • Mar 2006
                      • 20857

                      #11
                      Re: To bat flip or not to bat flip? Who cares... make it fun again.

                      Originally posted by Speedy
                      What's wrong with players these days?

                      You'd think players would be like Emmitt Smith and just give the umpire the bat then run around the bases.

                      ...which I would then proceed to laugh profusely at.
                      I think you meant to say Barry Sanders. He was the one who always handed the ball to the referee after scoring and quietly jogged to the bench. Smith hoarded the ball of every TD he ever scored and actually has them in his house in a museum he dedicated to himself.

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                      • XtremeDunkz
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                        • Aug 2007
                        • 3414

                        #12
                        Re: To bat flip or not to bat flip? Who cares... make it fun again.

                        Man you guys are no fun. That Bautista bat flip was awesome. The game is emotional, let the players express themselves, my god. I love the emotion.
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                        • ML
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                          • Aug 2011
                          • 1973

                          #13
                          Re: To bat flip or not to bat flip? Who cares... make it fun again.

                          Does this not work both ways? Pitchers get extremely amped up after a big out or a strikeout to get out of a jam. Its the way baseball is. I'm all for it, even if it does get excessive at times. The players are people too, its an extremely emotional game.

                          Also see other sports: staredowns / flexing, etc after dunking on players in the nba, every single touchdown celebration, celebrations after goals in soccer, etc.
                          Last edited by ML; 10-18-2015, 11:10 PM.
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                          • fatleg3
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                            • Aug 2008
                            • 3602

                            #14
                            Re: To bat flip or not to bat flip? Who cares... make it fun again.

                            I know one thing, if i was a mlb player and a pitcher threw a 90+ baseball at me on purpose because i tossed the bat in excitement or looked at the ball to see where it lands, we would have a meeting outside his locker room after the game.

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                            • bakan723
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                              • Aug 2010
                              • 1543

                              #15
                              Re: To bat flip or not to bat flip? Who cares... make it fun again.

                              Who cares...

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