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  • Blzer
    Resident film pundit
    • Mar 2004
    • 42520
    #76
    Re: The DH Argument....

    Originally posted by Sportsforever
    No, you missed my context. I'm saying if you were an AL team and chose to use Bumgarner instead of a DH your DH must not be good. Nothing more, nothing less.

    I just think the idea that the DH is an "option" is stupid...of course you are going to use it and not bat the pitcher, even if it is Bumgarner.
    Wait, now I'm confused. Is it that a team may decide to DH or not DH, or is it the home team that decides whether or not the DH will be used for both teams that game?

    Because I was assuming it was the latter, but now I'm thinking it might be the former. I have never read up on the rule, except to find out that the DH must bat in place of the pitcher (whereas in softball and high school baseball, the designated player may bat for any position player on the field).
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      • Sportsforever
        NL MVP
        • Mar 2005
        • 20368
        #77
        Re: The DH Argument....

        Originally posted by Blzer
        Wait, now I'm confused. Is it that a team may decide to DH or not DH, or is it the home team that decides whether or not the DH will be used for both teams that game?

        Because I was assuming it was the latter, but now I'm thinking it might be the former. I have never read up on the rule, except to find out that the DH must bat in place of the pitcher (whereas in softball and high school baseball, the designated player may bat for any position player on the field).
        I don't know for sure, but based on the post above I was taking it as each team gets to choose if they want to use it.
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          • DieHardYankee26
            BING BONG
            • Feb 2008
            • 10178
            #78
            Re: The DH Argument....

            Assuming a game where the DH rule is in play, an NL manager could just intentionally make a mistake in their lineup and "lose it" for the day right? I don't know why who chooses the DH even matters in this scenario, as long as its there, you can get out of it, you just couldn't use it when it's not in play already. Basically you always have the option if your team is allowed to use a DH.
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              • ryan36
                7 dirty words...
                • Feb 2003
                • 10139
                #79
                Re: The DH Argument....

                Yes, if your DH is used as a defensive sub, the pitcher bats for the replaced player.

                Say the Angels are hitting Mike Trout third and Cron is the DH batting fifth. If the bench was empty and Trout got hurt and Cron had to play OF, then the pitcher would bat #3.

                If you were facing a lineup that was L-R-L , a manager could bring in a lefty for one batter, send bin to LF for the RHB, then put him back on the mound for the 2nd lefty. All without losing the DH, because the DH didn't play in the field.

                And a manager doesn't have to make a mistake, he can just bat the pitcher. But why would he?

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                  • Ghost Of The Year
                    Turn Left. Repeat.
                    • Mar 2014
                    • 6366
                    #80
                    Re: The DH Argument....

                    Maybe we're all looking at this DH Argument the wrong way.
                    Maybe instead of getting rid of the Designated Hitter,
                    we should get rid of the Designated Pitcher.
                    And just let the DH pitch.
                    I don't know, maybe I think too much. Or drink too much.

                    T-BONE.

                    Talking about things nobody cares.

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                      • KSUowls
                        All Star
                        • Jul 2009
                        • 5891
                        #81
                        Re: The DH Argument....

                        Originally posted by Blzer
                        Yeah, I mean let's get one thing clear here... I don't think there's a single "non-DH head" that is talking up getting rid of the DH altogether. Most of us say or want the AL to have their DH rule intact. Just don't bring it over to the NL as well. Keep the leagues different in this way, I'm good with that.
                        These are pretty much my thoughts. I like that baseball has 2 unique leagues with unique rulesets. I don't want either league to be forced on the other, except when that team is playing at home vs a team from the other league.

                        I like the NL rules not because I like seeing a "lineup with bad hitters", but because I like seeing a lineup where your starting 9 are all forced to play. Not a situation where the pitcher is given a free pass and never has to face the opposing pitcher or where you can just stick a guy in the lineup because he swings hard but he's a mistake waiting to happen in the field.

                        Also, as a fan of a team that doesn't have a high payroll it would directly impact my viewing. You're essentially switching a bench player with a quality starter. That makes the financial situation of small-mid market teams much tighter.

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                          • TripleCrown9
                            Keep the Faith
                            • May 2010
                            • 23693
                            #82
                            Re: The DH Argument....

                            Giants are playing in Oakland tonight and Bumgarner is taking his ABs.

                            First time in 40 years an NL team has forgone the DH rule and let the pitcher hit.
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                              • bighurt27
                                Rookie
                                • Feb 2008
                                • 116
                                #83
                                Re: The DH Argument....

                                Originally posted by DieHardYankee26
                                Just saw an interesting point on Reddit, in the AL we have the option of the DH but aren't forced to use it. If a team wanted to hit their pitcher they could. So it's really just better all around, Bumgarner could hit on the days he pitches and then DH on in between days if he wanted lol, it's a win win.
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