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  • Majingir
    Moderator
    • Apr 2005
    • 47599

    #346
    Re: 5/1 - 5/14 Game Discussion Thread

    I don't get this play at all. Runner allowed to go to 2B because the Jays player was in the way during a run down? Gibbons got ejected afterwards. No surprise, this strange call made by who else...Vic Carpazza.

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    • SPTO
      binging
      • Feb 2003
      • 68046

      #347
      Re: 5/1 - 5/14 Game Discussion Thread

      Originally posted by Majingir
      I don't get this play at all. Runner allowed to go to 2B because the Jays player was in the way during a run down? Gibbons got ejected afterwards and seemed to suggest that (everyones fave ump) Vic Carpazza was smiling when ejecting Gibbons.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKm6f1jpFWM
      The rule states that an opposing player can't make contact with the runner on a rundown. Gibbons' main argument was that Lindor initiated the contact but that doesn't matter in the rule book.

      I did see Carpazza kind of smirking when he ejected Gibbons as well. Look, I know Jays fans (myself included) get a little over agitated by the umpires but i've seen a lot of this kind of crap from all umpires in different games. I mean these guys have way more power than any other official in sports. It's not a very healthy dynamic there.
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      • Majingir
        Moderator
        • Apr 2005
        • 47599

        #348
        Re: 5/1 - 5/14 Game Discussion Thread

        Originally posted by SPTO
        The rule states that an opposing player can't make contact with the runner on a rundown. Gibbons' main argument was that Lindor initiated the contact but that doesn't matter in the rule book.

        I did see Carpazza kind of smirking when he ejected Gibbons as well. Look, I know Jays fans (myself included) get a little over agitated by the umpires but i've seen a lot of this kind of crap from all umpires in different games. I mean these guys have way more power than any other official in sports. It's not a very healthy dynamic there.
        In Carpazzas case, isn't he just all around horrible for every team? Though his run ins with the Jays are ridiculous. I remember his windmill like strikezone in the playoffs lol.

        In NBA the refs are the worst of all sports I see, but in MLB the umps seem to have biggest egos and talk back way more than other sports.

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        • bcruise
          Hall Of Fame
          • Mar 2004
          • 23274

          #349
          Re: 5/1 - 5/14 Game Discussion Thread

          Wow, KB really misplayed that wall ball in right.

          And now a throwing error by Baez - sloppy inning.

          6-1. Typical Coors Field snowball-type inning.
          Last edited by bcruise; 05-09-2017, 02:18 PM.

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          • franch1se
            All Star
            • Apr 2004
            • 9060

            #350
            Re: 5/1 - 5/14 Game Discussion Thread

            Weaver is so so bad. Keep him for the tank though haha

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            • My993C2
              MVP
              • Sep 2012
              • 1588

              #351
              Re: 5/1 - 5/14 Game Discussion Thread

              Be like Mark!!!

              Mark Reynolds for Prez, Garardo Parra as the vice-prez.

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              • Blzer
                Resident film pundit
                • Mar 2004
                • 42520

                #352
                Re: 5/1 - 5/14 Game Discussion Thread

                Originally posted by Majingir
                I don't get this play at all. Runner allowed to go to 2B because the Jays player was in the way during a run down? Gibbons got ejected afterwards. No surprise, this strange call made by who else...Vic Carpazza.

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKm6f1jpFWM
                I don't know if MLB's rules are different from NCAA baseball and softball, but there the rule is basically this:

                If a defensive player physically impedes the runner's progress to or from a bag without the ball, then obstruction is signaled, and is a delayed dead ball (which means they will let the play complete itself before they make any decisions). The obstruction is active as long as the runner remains between the two bags it was called on in the first place, and the runner will be protected so long as it is active.

                The difference is the runner isn't automatically granted the next bag. In softball, if the runner safely makes the trailing bag or is tagged out, the umpire decides whether or not the obstruction prevented the runner from advancing, and if he does not then the runner is sent back to the trailing bag. But if he believes that without obstruction the player would have made the bag (and we give the runner the benefit of the doubt in most instances), then he will be given the lead bag regardless (after the play is over).

                In youth softball, obstruction does not have to be as physical as making contact though. Attempting a "fake tag" without the ball to get a runner to slide or raising up your arms for a fake "foul ball" to slow the runner down is also considered defensive obstruction, and is applied the same way.

                Catcher's obstruction fits under the same category, only the batter is given incredible benefit of the doubt with the assumption their swing would have produced at least first base for them. Of course, it's also like a football penalty: the offense can choose to accept or decline the obstruction should it still be "active" (a reason they might decline is if the batter grounds out but scores a run, whereas the obstruction would plant them on first base and not move that runner from third... depending on the scenario, this may be what you want). Once the batter passes first base, the obstruction is nullified and everything is fair game once again.

                I think the umpire called obstruction correctly, but depending on the MLB it looked as if he also killed the play and automatically awarded him second base, which would not necessarily be the case in NCAA baseball or softball (as I said, delayed dead ball and awarded one of the two bases that is deserved).

                For the record, if you have the ball, you can do whatever the hell you want. You can lay down in front of the base if you want to. There is no obstruction so long as you have the ball. The last difference here is in softball, it is obstruction if you don't have the ball, whereas in baseball you are also protected by your body being drawn by a thrown ball to the path.
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                • DamnYanks2
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Jun 2007
                  • 20794

                  #353
                  Re: 5/1 - 5/14 Game Discussion Thread

                  Gary Sanchez bomb..

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                  • Sportsforever
                    NL MVP
                    • Mar 2005
                    • 20368

                    #354
                    Re: 5/1 - 5/14 Game Discussion Thread

                    ...so, I think we're getting close to calling the Bartolo Colon experiment a failure. The guy hasn't had "stuff" for a few years, but he lived with pinpoint location/control. Now that he can't locate he's throwing BP out there...4-0 Houston and he hasn't recorded an out.
                    "People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

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                    • Sportsforever
                      NL MVP
                      • Mar 2005
                      • 20368

                      #355
                      Re: 5/1 - 5/14 Game Discussion Thread

                      LOL...make it 5-0. This is embarrassing.
                      "People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

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                      • Sportsforever
                        NL MVP
                        • Mar 2005
                        • 20368

                        #356
                        Re: 5/1 - 5/14 Game Discussion Thread

                        After Beltran/Correa went back to back, Joe Simpson and Chip Carey were wondering if they have the largest age gap to ever go back to back. I didn't even have to look it up...I think we've all see the footage of Griffey Jr and his dad going back to back in the 1990 season. I don't know if that one is the largest age gap, but at 20 years between Jr. and his dad it is definitely more than the Beltran/Correa gap (18 years).
                        "People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

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                        • 19
                          Chaos Theory
                          • Aug 2008
                          • 8859

                          #357
                          Re: 5/1 - 5/14 Game Discussion Thread

                          Nats bullpen. LOL

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                          • PhilliesFan13
                            Banned
                            • May 2009
                            • 15651

                            #358
                            Re: 5/1 - 5/14 Game Discussion Thread

                            Look at that. The Phillies blow a 9-5 lead and now it's 9-9. Unreal.

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                            • thaima1shu
                              Robot
                              • Feb 2004
                              • 5598

                              #359
                              Re: 5/1 - 5/14 Game Discussion Thread

                              Cano left the game with a strained quad. Hopefully he's ok. This string of injuries has been pretty rough for the Mariners.

                              Meanwhile Taylor Motter puts them up 10-9!

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                              • daflyboys
                                Banned
                                • May 2003
                                • 18238

                                #360
                                Re: 5/1 - 5/14 Game Discussion Thread

                                Neris. So disappointing as a closer. Was really pulling for him.

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