2017 MLB Trade Deadline Thread

[Mabster]

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Fowler wasn't ranked ahead of Frazier in any of the pre or during season lists I'd seen.

You're probably right. I couldn't find the article that I thought said that. Closest I found was "some scouts" which is far from the same as a list.

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[Qdiddy]

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I think both the A's and Yankees got a good deal, Gray isn't an ACE in my book but a solid 2. The prospects the A's got are all good when not injured, like others have stated TJS is not a death sentence for pitchers now in fact some are better once fully recovered and rehabbed properly (so I've heard don't have a source atm), fowler/Mateo both solid.

I think everyone and I mean the talking heads on TV mostly and a lot of surface fans think/expect everyone notably player should get a Chapman/Miller type of haul, the market is different, the mindset is different with parties involved then and now

Bottom line nobody will truly know for 2-4 years when these kids come up to the show like so many of these deals every year

LETS GO YANKEES!!!!


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[DamnYanks2]

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Last week, Sonny Gray was damaged goods and a #3 at best and the Yankees top 5 prospects where off the board.

Yesterday the Yankees acquire a young cost controlled potential ace by only giving up their number 4, 8, and 12 prospects and the Cashgod narrative continues.

After digesting unbiased reviews from non Yankee fans and A's haters, I'm excited for what the A's got back.

I think you missed the point of some of the posts. I was one that said Gray wasn't worth Torres or Frazier. That doesn't mean Gray is garbage. But I would have been completely underwhelmed with getting Gray and having to give up one of those two.

Yankee fans are excited because they got a young controllable quality pitcher for a package that doesn't hurt the farm system at all.

Yes any pitcher that has had injury problems is a red flag. But Sonny Gray is still a huge upgrade over Pineda and giving up just Fowler, Kap, both injured* and Mateo is a hell of a deal for our side. Mateo could end up being good, But he's pretty much blocked here as it is. I was waiting for him to be traded.

So now the Yankees have another closer, reliever, big upgrade with Todd Frazier, Garcia, and Sonny Gray, and in the process kept their two best prospects and Florial.

So yea... Cashgod is aptly named. Because I don't know how the hell he was able to get all that. And keep the major pieces. I was floored.

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[Majingir]

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Buster Olney was on the radio here this morning and gave the Jays a D+ on their deadline activity. I somewhat agree with him in that I think this whole idea of keeping the window open while retooling on the fly isn't exactly the greatest way to go. We've seen teams try this (mainly the Angels) and look where they are now.

The moves themselves I'd rank a B, but other moves they could've done would drop that grade. But given that Jays probably get nobodies in A Ball who MIGHT make roster in several years, they'd rather just try again next year with retooled roster.

But by next year, I hope major changes happen. Not complete rebuild since it doesn't work as well in MLB compared to NBA/NHL, but all guys over 31 should probably be gone. Keep Donaldson,Stroman,Sanchez,Osuna,Pillar long term for sure, and all other MLB guys could go.

[Mabster]

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I think you missed the point of some of the posts. I was one that said Gray wasn't worth Torres or Frazier. That doesn't mean Gray is garbage. But I would have been completely underwhelmed with getting Gray and having to give up one of those two.

Yankee fans are excited because they got a young controllable quality pitcher for a package that doesn't hurt the farm system at all.

Yes any pitcher that has had injury problems is a red flag. But Sonny Gray is still a huge upgrade over Pineda and giving up just Fowler, Kap, both injured* and Mateo is a hell of a deal for our side. Mateo could end up being good, But he's pretty much blocked here as it is. I was waiting for him to be traded.

So now the Yankees have another closer, reliever, big upgrade with Todd Frazier, Garcia, and Sonny Gray, and in the process kept their two best prospects and Florial.

So yea... Cashgod is aptly named. Because I don't know how the hell he was able to get all that. And keep the mshpt pieces. I was floored.

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I do understand all of that. Doesn't mean the A's got fleeced. It's possible for deals to be even. To me it sounds like two veteran GM got together and hashed out a deal that's good for both sides right now.

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[NYJets]

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Not exaggerating at all. It's actual things I've read. Some of it in this thread, like Sonny being often injured. Some of it outside OS. But fans will be fans.


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Think the consensus before and after the trade has pretty much been Gray is a good cost controlled pitcher, but a step below an ace, and not a guy that you would give up the farm for. Haven't seen anyone call him an ace anywhere, and most of the criticisms have been in response to the idea of giving up our top guys.

I do understand all of that. Doesn't mean the A's got fleeced. It's possible for deals to be even. To me it sounds like two veteran GM got together and hashed out a deal that's good for both sides right now.

Well we won't really know the results until years from now. But I think that reaction is based on all these reports that the A's were demanding Torres or Frazier, and were prepared to walk away and keep him till the offseason, but the result being we got him without giving up those 2, plus a couple of other guys we preferred not to give up

[DamnYanks2]

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I do understand all of that. Doesn't mean the A's got fleeced. It's possible for deals to be even. To me it sounds like two veteran GM got together and hashed out a deal that's good for both sides right now.

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I just believe the A's and Rangers settled. That's my personal opinion. I'm looking at this in an unbiased way, you need to get more in return for a good starting pitcher. Darvish is a little different because he's a rental, but I believe Beane settled.

Quintana at least brought back a nice package for the White Sox . I dont feel like that was really the case for the A's.

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[alfthepeach]

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I'm not too down on the A's trading Gray for the return they got.

If you look at it from the viewpoint of the A's roster they could have easily not been in contention throughout the remaining years of Gray's contract, especially with the current Astros roster, leaving potentially only a wildcard slot for them remaining years.

Therefore, could this be the high point of Gray's value? Very possibly.

Pitching well recently, why not just get the return available now, even if it seems lower than some expectations? Injuries, or a downturn in performance over the remainder of the season could have lowered that value throughout the off-season and beyond.

[TheMatrix31]

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Last week, Sonny Gray was damaged goods and a #3 at best and the Yankees top 5 prospects where off the board.

Yesterday the Yankees acquire a young cost controlled potential ace by only giving up their number 4, 8, and 12 prospects and the Cashgod narrative continues.

After digesting unbiased reviews from non Yankee fans and A's haters, I'm excited for what the A's got back.

Might be biased but I think Kaprielian is gonna end up being prettttay good.

Looking forward to seeing who the A's trade him to in 5 years. SMH.

I was one of the ones to have concerns about Gray's ability to stay healthy but I have hopes and really do wish that he's past them and can continue being a kick-*** pitcher.

[pietasterp]

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Might be biased but I think Kaprielian is gonna end up being prettttay good.

Looking forward to seeing who the A's trade him to in 5 years. SMH.

LOL.

It's funny because it's true.....

[ShowTyme15]

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Report: Astros and Orioles had an agreement on a Zach Britton trade yesterday that got vetoed last minute by Peter Angelos. Basically Angelos kept driving the price up.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Fowler is gonna lose some speed but that doesn't kill all his value. He was ranked higher than Frazier before the injury. TJ surgery isn't rare anymore and Kap has the potential to be better than Gray. Yes there are risks but I'm still excited.

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As an A's fan, you've got to hold onto something, right? That Carney Lansford action figure and Bash Brothers poster of rookie year Mark McGwire and prime Jose Canseco can only do so much. And the Bob Welch baseball card. And the Jason Giambi bobblehead. And the Dave Stewart jersey...

So apparently the Cardinals "floated" a trade proposal of Stephen Piscotty and either Luke Weaver or Jack Flaherty for Sonny Gray.




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I think Weaver and Flaherty could both be as good as Sonny Gray. Flaherty is one of the guys with a lot of helium right now. Him, Walker Buehler, Luis Castillo, and a few others have really come on strong this MiLB season.

Report: Astros and Orioles had an agreement on a Zach Britton trade yesterday that got vetoed last minute by Peter Angelos. Basically Angelos kept driving the price up.

Bruh. And now Dallas Keuchel is disgruntled...

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/20221022/dallas-keuchel-disappointed-houston-astros-make-big-deadline-trade

[ShowTyme15]

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As an A's fan, you've got to hold onto something, right? That Carney Lansford action figure and Bash Brothers poster of rookie year Mark McGwire and prime Jose Canseco can only do so much. And the Bob Welch baseball card. And the Jason Giambi bobblehead. And the Dave Stewart jersey...



I think Weaver and Flaherty could both be as good as Sonny Gray. Flaherty is one of the guys with a lot of helium right now. Him, Walker Buehler, Luis Castillo, and a few others have really come on strong this MiLB season.



Bruh. And now Dallas Keuchel is disgruntled...

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/2...deadline-trade

I saw Keuchal's interview. I don't blame him, but it wasn't the Astros fault. There was an agreement in place and physicals were passed along. If anything blame Baltimore and the ownership for not selling when they should have.

The teams can still work out a deal in August so lets see what happens.

There we quite a few teams that were considered "sellers" that didn't move many pieces (or any at all). Baltimore, SD, Detroit etc........... curious to see if any of these teams make deals in the revocable waiver period.

[SPTO]

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Report: Astros and Orioles had an agreement on a Zach Britton trade yesterday that got vetoed last minute by Peter Angelos. Basically Angelos kept driving the price up.

Once again that meddling idiot of an owner sabotages his team. Now the Orioles are just like the Jays, a team that needs retooling at best and a rebuild at worst but they're stuck in the middle.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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I saw Keuchal's interview. I don't blame him, but it wasn't the Astros fault. There was an agreement in place and physicals were passed along. If anything blame Baltimore and the ownership for not selling when they should have.

The teams can still work out a deal in August so lets see what happens.

There we quite a few teams that were considered "sellers" that didn't move many pieces (or any at all). Baltimore, SD, Detroit etc........... curious to see if any of these teams make deals in the revocable waiver period.

Yeah, I think some higher dollar/higher mileage players will get moved and the Astros might get a couple of them. But, there no way Britton clears waivers and gets dealt to Houston now. Only hope is that the Twins can trade for Britton and re-sell him to the Astros for a slightly larger return.