2017-2018 MLB Hot Stove Thread

[TheMatrix31]

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Oh my God.

Something happened.

Darvish to the Cubs. 6/126.

[bcruise]

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Oh my God.

Something happened.

Darvish to the Cubs. 6/126.

yooooooooo

[TripleCrown9]

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Here's hoping all the other free agents start to sign the next couple days.

[SPTO]

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Well...Damn, I had a feeling he'd end up there what with his personal catcher from his Texas days being on their roster. Good move by the Cubbies. Arrieta to Milwaukee now?

[The Kid 24]

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Well...Damn, I had a feeling he'd end up there what with his personal catcher from his Texas days being on their roster. Good move by the Cubbies. Arrieta to Milwaukee now?

I hope we get Jake!

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[Master Live 013]

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Per year value seems good but the length seems at least a year too long (don't they all?). But that's why they're called negotiations.

[sweny5632]

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Obviously i dont know if the twins ever really had a chance but its a little disappointing that the money was 6/$126 and the twins were outbid for that amount knowing this was their biggest need and possibly the piece to make them a contender. But like i said maybe they were never really on his radar.

[BleacherBum2310]

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Yu! Darvish, Q, Hendricks, Lester, Chatwood looks pretty pretty good! also this improves the bullpen with Montgomery going to the bullpen.

[Jr.]

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Yu! Darvish, Q, Hendricks, Lester, Chatwood looks pretty pretty good! also this improves the bullpen with Montgomery going to the bullpen.

If he accepts that role. He's been pretty outspoken that he wants to start. Might turn into trade bait

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Good news. I think, statistically, Darvish has been a bit ahead of Arrieta in terms of peripherals and projections going forward. This deal has been reported to be 6/126 (up to 150 with incentives) with no trade provisions and opt-outs. I wonder, when the dust settles, how strong of a NTC they gave him and if it is 6 fully guaranteed years or something like 5 + mutual option. I'd imagine the former.

A 6-year deal is a bit long for a guy who turns 32 this summer, but he should be a nice addition to a rotation that was crumbling a bit. Also excited to see what the full-time transition from the AL West to the NL Central will do for him. Minus the postseason, his numbers jumped after the trade to LA last year. He's gonna be facing Tommy Pham, Joey Votto, and Ryan Braun instead of Mike Trout, Jose Altuve, and Robinson Cano.

Darvish/Lester/Quintana/Hendricks/Chatwood and new coach Jim Hickey should be quite serviceable this season. It's easily the best rotation in the division, and light years better than Milwaukee who is trying to keep up. Puts a lot of pressure on the Brewers to pay Arrieta.

[Bunselpower32]

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Good news. I think, statistically, Darvish has been a bit ahead of Arrieta in terms of peripherals and projections going forward. This deal has been reported to be 6/126 (up to 150 with incentives) with no trade provisions and opt-outs. I wonder, when the dust settles, how strong of a NTC they gave him and if it is 6 fully guaranteed years or something like 5 + mutual option. I'd imagine the former.

A 6-year deal is a bit long for a guy who turns 32 this summer, but he should be a nice addition to a rotation that was crumbling a bit. Also excited to see what the full-time transition from the AL West to the NL Central will do for him. Minus the postseason, his numbers jumped after the trade to LA last year. He's gonna be facing Tommy Pham, Joey Votto, and Ryan Braun instead of Mike Trout, Jose Altuve, and Robinson Cano.

Darvish/Lester/Quintana/Hendricks/Chatwood and new coach Jim Hickey should be quite serviceable this season. It's easily the best rotation in the division, and light years better than Milwaukee who is trying to keep up. Puts a lot of pressure on the Brewers to pay Arrieta.

Yeah, I really don't exactly understand Milwaukee here. Getting Cain plus Yelich puts Santana, a 3 WAR player, on the bench. I know Braun will go down, but planning on an injury like that is not good practice. You are dimishing your returns by doubling up like that. I guess they felt they had to, but abandoning your plan and making reactionary moves (if that's what those were) is usually bad business.

For goodness' sake, the Cardinals pitching is better than the Brewers and they didn't even do much with it this offseason.

[Nulap]

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Astros talking to Marlins about acquiring Realmuto. Marlins want Kyle Tucker in return.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Yeah, I really don't exactly understand Milwaukee here. Getting Cain plus Yelich puts Santana, a 3 WAR player, on the bench. I know Braun will go down, but planning on an injury like that is not good practice. You are dimishing your returns by doubling up like that. I guess they felt they had to, but abandoning your plan and making reactionary moves (if that's what those were) is usually bad business.

For goodness' sake, the Cardinals pitching is better than the Brewers and they didn't even do much with it this offseason.

It could be as simple as Darvish would rather play in Chicago than Milwaukee. Even if Milwaukee offered the same deal.

I think Braun will get a lot of time at 1B this season and Thames' playing time will suffer more than Santana. Thames really went ice cold after his phenomenal start last season. To me, adding Yelich and Cain were pretty good moves (you could argue Cain being slightly overpaid) and gives them an inventory to make trades with.

If Stearns doesn't do something about the rotation and they actually expect guys like Zach Davies and Brent Suter and the corpse of Yovani Gallardo to carry them, I doubt they make the playoffs. They could go from being a Cinderella to a pumpkin pretty quickly. But, I think it's pretty likely they sign Arrieta or Lynn or deal for someone like Danny Salazar.

[KSUowls]

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I see you're referring to someone else with that 5/75. I don't know why they've gone nameless this whole time, I thought you were saying he signed the contract himself.

Sorry no. I should have spelled it out a bit more in my original comment. One of those cases where you don't realize that people from other fan bases
may not know what you're talking about.

Also so the Marlins sign a guy to a contract that everyone and their mom knew at the time they had no intention of paying, and now they need a favor done for them to curb salaries? These owners can't pay for that kind of defense from fans.

This actually illustrates the one point I actually care about, because whatever compensation package worked out between the players & owners does not affect the fans. Maybe I am reading this wrong, but you seem to be suggesting that the Marlins should have just let Stanton go through arbitration and walk or trade him before offering that mega contract. Neither of those are good options for the fans who imo are the ones getting screwed with skyrocketing salaries.

I think that while the Yankees were signing everyone, league revenues were skyrocketing and revenue sharing came into play to make sure these small market teams could exist in the first place. So when you ask if what's best for the Yankees is best for the league, I'd argue probably, a rising tide lifts all boats. Now how does a "salary correction" benefit a league setting record numbers every year? The Yankees pioneered the TV deals that's bringing in extra money to all of these teams. This will be fun, I'd actually be interested to hear an argument for why what's best for the Yankees isn't what's best for the league in this instance. And if you're talking about fans feelings instead of the pay of the people who actually play the game, I think that's where we differ.
And my question wasn't rhetorical nor was it sarcastic, do you believe this will be better for the league? It seems to me to be some kinda trickle down baseball economics, like if the owners have more money, they'll spend more money, and I have little reason to believe that's the case for the vast majority of the league, with Bob Nutting simultaneously suing the city of Pittsburgh for stadium renovations and also bidding on newspapers around the country.

Yes, revenue is up which is good for baseball. It also isn't even necessarily bad for baseball if the "tide" of revenue rises disproportionately to favor certain areas as we've seen. What I consider bad for baseball though is when the salary market is scaled up to where the water is at it's deepest so to speak instead of being adjusted to the mean or median. Because the MLB only exists because of fans like us. We're the source of revenue both directly with our ticket purchases and indirectly as a market for these mega TV deals. So, I would argue that anything that isn't good for fans (all fans) isn't good for the game.

[ShowTyme15]

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Astros and Marlins are discussing J.T. Realmuto