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  • Majingir
    Moderator
    • Apr 2005
    • 47636

    #616
    Re: 2017-2018 MLB Hot Stove Thread

    Originally posted by Sportsforever
    Sounds like a lot of whining to me. It's a business and it's their job to make a pitch. He is not obligated to take a set amount of time to "make his decision". Maybe he did have his mind made up, but wanted to see if any of the other teams could offer anything that intrigued him enough to give him pause. None of us know, but I don't think it really matters.
    I'm sure most of that whining came from Yankees side.

    He's been vilified by their papers already simply for not picking them.

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    • Blzer
      Resident film pundit
      • Mar 2004
      • 42524

      #617
      Re: 2017-2018 MLB Hot Stove Thread

      That's like having a casting call for a role in a film when you already have your mind set on somebody specific. You still want to see what's out there and what you can get out of that role. You might end up even changing your mind, or consider those for future endeavors.

      This is a non-news story, and so very stupid. I can't believe anybody is whining about this. No one asked Cashman to scale the side of a skyscraper for this guy.
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      • Nulap
        Rookie
        • Jul 2013
        • 196

        #618
        Re: 2017-2018 MLB Hot Stove Thread

        Originally posted by The Kid 24
        Ohtani...

        Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic writes that there are those in the game who wonder if Ohtani’s decision has already been made. The expedited manner in which Ohtani eliminated 23 teams and then met with seven finalists has been a point of frustration for some clubs, Rosenthal writes, noting that execs from some East coast teams have privately wondered why they were asked to put so much time into their presentations for Ohtani when he ultimately eliminated the East coast in one swoop.
        Like the teams themselves don't do the exact same thing when signing free agents. Whether to drive up the price to stick it to another team or to influence their own players to resign. Complete non-issue.

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        • SPTO
          binging
          • Feb 2003
          • 68046

          #619
          Re: 2017-2018 MLB Hot Stove Thread

          Originally posted by The Kid 24
          Ohtani...

          Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic writes that there are those in the game who wonder if Ohtani’s decision has already been made. The expedited manner in which Ohtani eliminated 23 teams and then met with seven finalists has been a point of frustration for some clubs, Rosenthal writes, noting that execs from some East coast teams have privately wondered why they were asked to put so much time into their presentations for Ohtani when he ultimately eliminated the East coast in one swoop.
          I get the whining aspect that some have pointed out though the Toronto Blue Jays were a bit different. It was more massive disappointment and possible frustration on their end. Apparently they made a hard pitch and even did a whole video presentation about the city and how he could be a great member of the sports and social scene here. According to Atkins Ohtani's people gave glowing and very positive reviews saying that the Jays had control of everything within their power but then got the phone call that they were out. Atkins said that it was one of the toughest calls he's had to take in his executive career.

          It seems to me Ohtani and his people were using this as an exercise to stroke his ego since it's readily apparent that he knows exactly where he wants to go. I can't say whether that's good or bad but I can see how it can leave some GMs and owners with a bad taste in their mouths.
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          • PhilliesFan13
            Banned
            • May 2009
            • 15651

            #620
            Re: 2017-2018 MLB Hot Stove Thread

            Originally posted by SPTO
            I get the whining aspect that some have pointed out though the Toronto Blue Jays were a bit different. It was more massive disappointment and possible frustration on their end. Apparently they made a hard pitch and even did a whole video presentation about the city and how he could be a great member of the sports and social scene here. According to Atkins Ohtani's people gave glowing and very positive reviews saying that the Jays had control of everything within their power but then got the phone call that they were out. Atkins said that it was one of the toughest calls he's had to take in his executive career.

            It seems to me Ohtani and his people were using this as an exercise to stroke his ego since it's readily apparent that he knows exactly where he wants to go. I can't say whether that's good or bad but I can see how it can leave some GMs and owners with a bad taste in their mouths.
            He gives me a primadonna vibe.

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            • kenp86
              MVP
              • May 2008
              • 2979

              #621
              Re: 2017-2018 MLB Hot Stove Thread

              Cubs sign Tyler Chatwood. 3 year deal for 38M
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              • Sportsforever
                NL MVP
                • Mar 2005
                • 20368

                #622
                Re: 2017-2018 MLB Hot Stove Thread

                Originally posted by kenp86
                Cubs sign Tyler Chatwood. 3 year deal for 38M
                They have to be banking on the fact that Chatwood was really good away from Coors Field...
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                • DieHardYankee26
                  BING BONG
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 10178

                  #623
                  Re: 2017-2018 MLB Hot Stove Thread

                  So we've got the Yankees whining because newsrags that have no affiliation to them are doing what they always do, we've got Cashman scaling buildings for a free agent even though he's done it many times over the years and just enjoys the thrill, and we've got the Blue Jays whining somehow being different because they gave a great presentation and got rejected...just like everybody else.

                  Wow.
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                  • The Kid 24
                    It's Show Time!
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 14766

                    #624
                    Re: 2017-2018 MLB Hot Stove Thread

                    Originally posted by kenp86
                    Cubs sign Tyler Chatwood. 3 year deal for 38M
                    Damnit! I was hoping the Brewers would sign him.
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                    • SPTO
                      binging
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 68046

                      #625
                      Re: 2017-2018 MLB Hot Stove Thread

                      Originally posted by DieHardYankee26
                      So we've got the Yankees whining because newsrags that have no affiliation to them are doing what they always do, we've got Cashman scaling buildings for a free agent even though he's done it many times over the years and just enjoys the thrill, and we've got the Blue Jays whining somehow being different because they gave a great presentation and got rejected...just like everybody else.

                      Wow.
                      I only said the Jays weren't really whining in that they didn't expect to be front runners. It was more disappointment after being given lots of positive signals. Of course, I could just be biased so yeah.
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                      • DieHardYankee26
                        BING BONG
                        • Feb 2008
                        • 10178

                        #626
                        Re: 2017-2018 MLB Hot Stove Thread

                        Originally posted by SPTO
                        I only said the Jays weren't really whining in that they didn't expect to be front runners. It was more disappointment after being given lots of positive signals. Of course, I could just be biased so yeah.
                        It reads like the business equivalent of a high school dude being upset at a girl for not putting out at the end of a date. I would expect a major league GM would be more used to people keeping a positive vibe and still going in another direction. They only had one meeting, how many positive signals could they have possibly gotten? It just sounds like any other free agent signing attempt.
                        Originally posted by G Perico
                        If I ain't got it, then I gotta take it
                        I can't hide who I am, baby I'm a gangster
                        In the Rolls Royce, steppin' on a mink rug
                        The clique just a gang of bosses that linked up

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                        • kenp86
                          MVP
                          • May 2008
                          • 2979

                          #627
                          Re: 2017-2018 MLB Hot Stove Thread

                          Baltimore listening to Machado trade calls
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                          • Jr.
                            Playgirl Coverboy
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 19171

                            #628
                            Re: 2017-2018 MLB Hot Stove Thread

                            Originally posted by Sportsforever
                            They have to be banking on the fact that Chatwood was really good away from Coors Field...
                            He's very underrated. If he can stay healthy, which is a legit concern, I think it's a great signing.
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                            • countryboy
                              Growing pains
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 52791

                              #629
                              Re: 2017-2018 MLB Hot Stove Thread

                              Originally posted by kenp86
                              Baltimore listening to Machado trade calls
                              Ok Moz and crew....if you're going to be calling about Longoria, you damn sure better be calling the Orioles about Machado.
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                              • duke776
                                MVP
                                • Nov 2006
                                • 3044

                                #630
                                Re: 2017-2018 MLB Hot Stove Thread

                                My concern about the Chatwood signing is all of his walks. He posted a 4.7 BB/9 last season and 4.2 BB/9 in 2016. His walk numbers weren't any better on the road either. I know that's not everything, but It's slightly worrisome.

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