5/7 - 5/20 Game Discussion Thread

[Sportsforever]

Re: 5/7 - 5/20 Game Discussion Thread

What about now?

Look...Trout and Betts are both amazing, but a sizzling 6 weeks doesn't make Betts the best player in baseball all of the sudden. This reminds me of when Arrieta had his career year in 2015 and everyone was asking if he was better than Kershaw. Trout's level of excellence has been so high for so long...he's still the best.

On another note, the Braves have cut bait on the Jose Bautista experiment and named Johan Camargo as the full time 3B. Nothing against Bautista, but this had to happen...he doesn't appear to have anything left in the tank and his approach doesn't fit in at all with what the Braves are trying to do.

[TripleCrown9]

Re: 5/7 - 5/20 Game Discussion Thread

Look...Trout and Betts are both amazing, but a sizzling 6 weeks doesn't make Betts the best player in baseball all of the sudden. This reminds me of when Arrieta had his career year in 2015 and everyone was asking if he was better than Kershaw. Trout's level of excellence has been so high for so long...he's still the best.

On another note, the Braves have cut bait on the Jose Bautista experiment and named Johan Camargo as the full time 3B. Nothing against Bautista, but this had to happen...he doesn't appear to have anything left in the tank and his approach doesn't fit in at all with what the Braves are trying to do.

Of course he is, and when it's all said and done he's going to be one of the best of all time. He'll even probably end up with a better 2018.

But as of this exact moment in the season, Betts is better. And that's OK.

[Mabster]

Re: 5/7 - 5/20 Game Discussion Thread

Interesting what the Rays are doing vs the Angels this weekend.

Sergio Romo started yesterday's game by striking the side out. Then was pulled and replaced by the "starting pitcher" who went 6 and a third and got the win.

Romo is starting today's game too.

[19]

Re: 5/7 - 5/20 Game Discussion Thread

The Jose Bautista experience couldn't last even 2 weeks.

[Sportsforever]

Re: 5/7 - 5/20 Game Discussion Thread

I find it interesting what the Nats are doing with Juan Soto. I don't know the reasons behind promoting him, but it seems interesting to promote a player who has less than a full season of professional games/PA's under his belt and is only 19. Looking at his numbers he has absolutely raked, but he has 35 PA's above A ball.

Is this a case of the Nationals thinking he's ready, or is it that they are only planning on having him up for a short time before sending him back down?

[Speedy]

Re: 5/7 - 5/20 Game Discussion Thread

The Jose Bautista experience couldn't last even 2 weeks.

Whew, thank you Lord!

[Speedy]

Re: 5/7 - 5/20 Game Discussion Thread

I saw it. I honestly kinda see why it was ruled a ground rule double. It bounced "in play" then bounced over the wall.

Yes...and I think they got it right to change it, IMO. The ball bounced in play and then out. For example, let's say someone hit a line shot to deep left center in Fenway Park and the ball took a crazy angle and ended up ricocheting into the batter's eye. I wouldn't think that would be called a home run either...

I disagree.

How is it any different than if the ball hit the top of the wall and bounced over? Or if it hits a player (like Conseco's head or the fielder's glove) and bounces over?

[dubcity]

Re: 5/7 - 5/20 Game Discussion Thread

For a guy who can't seem to get anyone out, Yu Darvish has amazing stuff.

[Mabster]

Re: 5/7 - 5/20 Game Discussion Thread

I disagree.

How is it any different than if the ball hit the top of the wall and bounced over? Or if it hits a player (like Conseco's head or the fielder's glove) and bounces over?

Confusing to me too. The rules, 5.05 (6), that determines this actually even specifically says "fair ball, after touching the ground" and (7) doesn't say anything about the ball going over the fence, just through or under.

(8)&(9) defines the Canseco HR and parks like Fenway have specific ground rules regarding the ladder on the wall and balls bounding into the stands.

[Sportsforever]

Re: 5/7 - 5/20 Game Discussion Thread

I disagree.

How is it any different than if the ball hit the top of the wall and bounced over? Or if it hits a player (like Conseco's head or the fielder's glove) and bounces over?

So I did some research on this. First off, it is written in the rulebook that any ball bouncing off an outfielder or his glove on the fly and clearing the fence is a home run, so that's just a straight rules call.

As for the ball bouncing over the wall, every park has it's own ground rules. Fenway Park actually does have rules saying that if a ball caroms off the Green Monster and out of play it is a home run. In Houston, the yellow line you see on the fence is the key. If a ball hits on or above the yellow line and caroms out it's a homer...if it hits below and caroms out it's a double. I watched the replay and sure enough the ball hit well below the yellow line on the fence in that part of the park.

[Mabster]

Re: 5/7 - 5/20 Game Discussion Thread

Minute Maid has a lot of wacky angles and a lot of ground rules. This specific spot wasn't covered exactly.

If a ball hits on or above the yellow line and caroms out it's a homer...if it hits below and caroms out it's a double.

I did some more reading and the most logical part is this. Walls, especially below the yellow line, are considered the same as the ground. So rule 5.05 (6) addresses it. It's just a plain 'ol boring regular rule double.

[canes21]

Re: 5/7 - 5/20 Game Discussion Thread

What a strange sequence for Miami to get the first run of the day. First, Inciarte drills the wall and allows Bour to get a triple after not making the catch and the ball bouncing back away from all the other outfielders. Then Teheran drops the ball for a balk.

[Sportsforever]

Re: 5/7 - 5/20 Game Discussion Thread

LOL...Julio with his typical melt down inning. Guy just has struggled to avoid that inning his whole career.

[LowerWolf]

Re: 5/7 - 5/20 Game Discussion Thread

Things unraveled quickly for Julio.

[WaitTilNextYear]

Re: 5/7 - 5/20 Game Discussion Thread

I'm not surprised that Jose Bautista didn't last in Atlanta. Not the kind of role model those kids over there need. Maybe he was once a good role model in Toronto, but not running stuff out pairs poorly with his declining skills and lack of interest from other MLB clubs.

On another note, Yu Darvish gave up 1 run thru 6 IP--this is his best non-Brewers start as a Cub so far. Also in line for his first Cubs win. I especially like that he didn't give up a hit after the Reds scored in the 1st inning. 3 quality starts in 8 tries for Darvish.

A good Darvish and Quintana plus better situational hitting is the only thing standing between this team and 100 wins.