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  • DrJones
    All Star
    • Mar 2003
    • 9114

    #211
    Re: 9/27 - 10/3 Game Discussion Thread

    Originally posted by Majingir
    Don't think any fanbase right now will be happier about expanded playoffs than the Jays fans.
    I'm still dead-set against expanded playoffs.

    Despite being unhappy with today's outcome, I'm happy with MLB's current playoff format.

    The season is 162 games long - it has to mean something, and division leaders deserve a big reward. I didn't like the 1995-2011 format because there was no penalty (and often a more favourable matchup) for finishing 2nd in your division.

    If they want to chop the regular season in half, sure, go ahead and let everyone in.
    Originally posted by Thrash13
    Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
    Originally posted by slickdtc
    DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
    Originally posted by Kipnis22
    yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

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    • Sportsforever
      NL MVP
      • Mar 2005
      • 20368

      #212
      Re: 9/27 - 10/3 Game Discussion Thread

      Originally posted by DrJones
      I'm still dead-set against expanded playoffs.

      Despite being unhappy with today's outcome, I'm happy with MLB's current playoff format.

      The season is 162 games long - it has to mean something, and division leaders deserve a big reward. I didn't like the 1995-2011 format because there was no penalty (and often a more favourable matchup) for finishing 2nd in your division.

      If they want to chop the regular season in half, sure, go ahead and let everyone in.
      Thank you; I am absolutely 100% against adding a single team to the playoff format. I cannot understand the desire or push to do so.
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      • Jeffrey Smith
        MVP
        • Apr 2014
        • 1925

        #213
        Re: 9/27 - 10/3 Game Discussion Thread

        Originally posted by DrJones
        I'm still dead-set against expanded playoffs.



        Despite being unhappy with today's outcome, I'm happy with MLB's current playoff format.



        The season is 162 games long - it has to mean something, and division leaders deserve a big reward. I didn't like the 1995-2011 format because there was no penalty (and often a more favourable matchup) for finishing 2nd in your division.



        If they want to chop the regular season in half, sure, go ahead and let everyone in.


        Agreed 100%.


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        • Chip Douglass
          Hall Of Fame
          • Dec 2005
          • 12256

          #214
          Re: 9/27 - 10/3 Game Discussion Thread

          Ideally, you'd make the Wild Card format a best-of-three series or something, but you'd either have the push the World Series further into November and risk snow-outs between two cold weather teams or start the season in March and risk rainouts on the East Coast. I'm fine with the current format.
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          • phenom1990
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            • Mar 2008
            • 4789

            #215
            Re: 9/27 - 10/3 Game Discussion Thread

            Yeah I like the current format. I think any division winner should be automatically in the LDS. I wouldn’t be against making the LDS best of 7 but that probably extends the season too long.
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            • reyes the roof
              Hall Of Fame
              • Mar 2009
              • 11526

              #216
              Re: 9/27 - 10/3 Game Discussion Thread

              Originally posted by Sportsforever
              Thank you; I am absolutely 100% against adding a single team to the playoff format. I cannot understand the desire or push to do so.
              I don’t know how you could possibly expand without making things worse. If you add one team per league does someone get a bye? That’s a terrible idea to have a team just sitting around waiting to play. I don’t even like the Braves and Brewers sitting around for four days

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              • LambertandHam
                All Star
                • Jul 2010
                • 8008

                #217
                Re: 9/27 - 10/3 Game Discussion Thread

                Well, another Pirates season in the books. 60-101 or so I think. Some young guys that can be stars, still going to continue to follow them regardless of record.
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                • DrJones
                  All Star
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 9114

                  #218
                  Re: 9/27 - 10/3 Game Discussion Thread

                  Originally posted by Chip Douglass
                  Ideally, you'd make the Wild Card format a best-of-three series or something, but you'd either have the push the World Series further into November and risk snow-outs between two cold weather teams or start the season in March and risk rainouts on the East Coast. I'm fine with the current format.
                  To me, a best-of-3 kind of misses the point. It reduces the advantage for the division winner (no division winner wants 5 or 6 days off before the LDS) and the fear factor for the wild card teams. The Dodgers (and their fans) are probably both p***ed and terrified about the prospect of a 106-win season going up in smoke in a coinflip against the red-hot Cardinals. Teams should be desperate to win their division and avoid a coinflip and both the Giants and Dodgers played like it. I'm glad that good teams who don't win their division get a second chance, but they shouldn't get a third - they should be made to sweat.
                  Originally posted by Thrash13
                  Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
                  Originally posted by slickdtc
                  DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
                  Originally posted by Kipnis22
                  yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

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                  • TheMatrix31
                    RF
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 52929

                    #219
                    Re: 9/27 - 10/3 Game Discussion Thread

                    The regular season clearly means jack ****.

                    The Dodgers finished *sixteen* ****ing games ahead of the Cardinals and yet have to play a one game playoff against them just because the happened to be in the same division as the Giants this year? In what *world* does that make sense and in what *world* does that place a bigger value on the regular season? What *business* do the ****ing Cardinals have in making the playoffs and having a chance to eliminate the Dodgers? Or any second wild card team against any first wild card team?

                    The "step down" is *way* more punitive for the Dodgers than the "step up" to reach Giants, and the "step up" for the Cardinals absolutely 100 percent positively makes zero sense. The inanity of having a second wild card *far* outweighs the "importance of winning your division!!" The need to "give incentive to your division!" could have been accomplished in another way besides adding a team and creating artificial drama and completely unnecessary benefit to some #5 team.

                    The Wild Card rectified the problem of a stacked division in any given year. And it worked out pretty damn well for the 20 years or whatever it was in place.

                    If you're dead set on having five playoff teams, then get rid of divisions and seed based on record if you *have to* do this to satisfy money desires and your "keep more teams in contention" construct.

                    There is absolutely positively zero logic to this. This regular season is completely devalued. Win 16 more games than the team you have to play in a single elimination game because you finished 1 game back of a 107-win team. A comically absurd structure. Literally delegitimizing garbage. It should be "tough ****, win your division then" to the Cardinals, not the Dodgers.

                    Whoever came up with this crap should be banished to a ****ing gulag tbh. Hope the Dodgers win by ****ing 20 on Wednesday. I'd say I'd hope for them to lose if there was any shot this basura format could possibly be changed but let's get real. These morons running the league will come up with even dumber **** to do.
                    Last edited by TheMatrix31; 10-04-2021, 06:33 AM.

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                    • countryboy
                      Growing pains
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 52830

                      #220
                      Re: 9/27 - 10/3 Game Discussion Thread

                      Could be worse.

                      They could've missed the playoffs like in '42 (104 wins) and '62 (102 wins) when they won 100 games but finished second in their division so they missed the playoffs entirely.

                      I don't feel bad for anyone who plays the wildcard game.

                      You don't want to play in a one game elimination game, win your division. Its really that simple.
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                      • Chip Douglass
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Dec 2005
                        • 12256

                        #221
                        Re: 9/27 - 10/3 Game Discussion Thread

                        Originally posted by DrJones
                        To me, a best-of-3 kind of misses the point. It reduces the advantage for the division winner (no division winner wants 5 or 6 days off before the LDS) and the fear factor for the wild card teams. The Dodgers (and their fans) are probably both p***ed and terrified about the prospect of a 106-win season going up in smoke in a coinflip against the red-hot Cardinals. Teams should be desperate to win their division and avoid a coinflip and both the Giants and Dodgers played like it. I'm glad that good teams who don't win their division get a second chance, but they shouldn't get a third - they should be made to sweat.
                        idk, the prospect of having your season come to an end if you lose 2 games (expending your aces in the process) seems like a huge incentive to win your division - definitely way more than pre-2012. I doubt the Dodgers would have played their cards any differently under that format. And the Giants, whose best hitter is out with a fractured thumb, would no doubt welcome a few extra days of rest.

                        I liked the one-game Wild Card format when they first added it, honestly, but any minor tweak that strips out a bit more randomness in the process to help dominant non-division winners would be ideal. Anyways, I think logistics alone probably rules it out: MLB wouldn't want to push the WS further into November.
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                        • TripleCrown9
                          Keep the Faith
                          • May 2010
                          • 23716

                          #222
                          Re: 9/27 - 10/3 Game Discussion Thread

                          This regular season was 1000x more legitimate than last year.

                          Again, doesn't matter if the Dodgers won 106 games. They were still the second best team in their division. Should've beat the Giants one or two more times.

                          Same thing happened to the Yankees in 2018. They won 100 games and still finished 8 games back in the division, so they played in (and won) the Wild Card.
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                          • Mentch
                            Rookie
                            • Jan 2020
                            • 300

                            #223
                            Re: 9/27 - 10/3 Game Discussion Thread

                            Originally posted by DrJones
                            To me, a best-of-3 kind of misses the point. It reduces the advantage for the division winner (no division winner wants 5 or 6 days off before the LDS) and the fear factor for the wild card teams. The Dodgers (and their fans) are probably both p***ed and terrified about the prospect of a 106-win season going up in smoke in a coinflip against the red-hot Cardinals. Teams should be desperate to win their division and avoid a coinflip and both the Giants and Dodgers played like it. I'm glad that good teams who don't win their division get a second chance, but they shouldn't get a third - they should be made to sweat.
                            Don’t agree with this take at all. The Dodgers would have won any other division in baseball in any other year in baseball. Are you saying they should be punished with a coin flip wild card game and made to sweat because they didnt beat out a 107 win team?

                            You have to have the best of 3 when it comes to the wild card. One game play ins only make sense for tiebreaker games because you’re still fighting to get INTO the playoffs. In the case of the wild card, you’re already in the playoffs, why would you reduce a 162 game season to 1 game? Remember, baseball playoffs has always been about exclusivity, not novelties like 1 game Wild Cards

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                            • Mentch
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                              • Jan 2020
                              • 300

                              #224
                              Re: 9/27 - 10/3 Game Discussion Thread

                              Originally posted by TripleCrown9
                              This regular season was 1000x more legitimate than last year.

                              Again, doesn't matter if the Dodgers won 106 games. They were still the second best team in their division. Should've beat the Giants one or two more times.

                              Same thing happened to the Yankees in 2018. They won 100 games and still finished 8 games back in the division, so they played in (and won) the Wild Card.
                              And was that fair to leave it up to a 1 game wild card against an 85 win team to determine whether they “should have won their division instead”, or did it unfairly punish them by giving an 85 win team a huge opportunity to knock out a power squad in just one punch?

                              I’m glad they expanded baseball playoffs, but for a sport that prides itself in determining the best possible outcome by the highest number of repeated trials, they sure dropped the ball with the 1 game wild card novelty. It needs to be the best of 3 format with the higher seeded wild card hosting all 3 games. If the second wild card doesn’t like the idea of playing 3 road games to stay alive, then maybe they should have “won their division”

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                              • TripleCrown9
                                Keep the Faith
                                • May 2010
                                • 23716

                                #225
                                Re: 9/27 - 10/3 Game Discussion Thread

                                Again, if the Dodgers took care of what they had to...

                                Six of San Francisco's wins against LA were by fewer than 3 runs, including 3-2 in early September, 2-1 at the end of July, and 5-4 in May.

                                I personally won't feel any sympathy for a defending champion winning 106 games. If they've won that many, they should be able to win one more, a home game at that. Then the "real" playoffs can begin.

                                If we did the best of three, there would still be complaining in this thread from the same voices about how St. Louis didn't deserve to be there, about how the two wins were flukes, etc. Then those voices will demand best of 5, then they'll say that's too long and they should go back to one game.

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