Re: MLB Lockout

[Caulfield]

Re: MLB Lockout

I smell collusion brewing. I get the feeling the owners would be fine if this limbo status quo holds right where it is right up to late February, early March. less time for free agents to get the true value they would in a regular year if all of their signings get bunched up together.
and while I'm on it, since a lockout is by its very nature 100% controlled by owners, the ball is in their court, on their terms. and this is exactly why todays Commissioners are nothing more than puppets when it comes to sports leagues. there hasn't been a real commissioner in baseball since Faye Vincent. so I'm done treating Manfred like any of baseballs problems are anything he can address. and I'm not just talking about the lockout. I no longer believe he gets any responsibility for all the **** that comes from his mouth. that was just **** placed there by owners so he would have to take the heat. apologies for the rant, today a moment of clarity struck me that all the lessons learned from '94-'95 are 99% forgotten

[countryboy]

Re: MLB Lockout

MLB/Owners reportedly will offer a core economics proposal to the players union within two weeks.

[Majingir]

Re: MLB Lockout

Sounds like the owners presented their offer to the players and the players didnt like it.

The service time idea they had was to simply award a team a bonus draft pick if a top ranked prospect ends up being a top vote getter in his rookie season for any major award.

Owners also dont want to see luxury tax increase. They also proposed the 14 team playoff format.


I know the business side is the main thing they care about, but it doesn't feel much like they're really addressing any gameplay aspects in the CBA. Maybe it'll come later on, but for now, just sounds like the luxury tax and service time are the key issues.

[countryboy]

Re: MLB Lockout

The owners proposed the Universal DH which will be accepted as the players want it as well. I imagine the players union will accept the universal DH so long as they get "X"

I also believe the players will counter with 12 team playoffs that the owners will agree to in exchange for "y".

The international draft versus signing day is intriguing.

[lowpaiddonkey10]

Re: MLB Lockout

Since a lot of these guys play college ball now they need to do something with free agency.

[Majingir]

Re: MLB Lockout

The owners proposed the Universal DH which will be accepted as the players want it as well. I imagine the players union will accept the universal DH so long as they get "X"

I also believe the players will counter with 12 team playoffs that the owners will agree to in exchange for "y".

The international draft versus signing day is intriguing.

Would the 6 team format work like the old NFL playoff system?

3v6, 4v5, and 1 and 2 get byes?

[reyes the roof]

Re: MLB Lockout

Would the 6 team format work like the old NFL playoff system?

3v6, 4v5, and 1 and 2 get byes?

1 vs 6, 2 vs 5, and 3 vs4. First two teams to close out their series advance to the LCS.

[Majingir]

Re: MLB Lockout

The international draft versus signing day is intriguing.

International draft needs to be a thing. And make draft picks tradable too. Maybe even have those draft picks being the ones tied to FA compensation.

Not sure how they'd determine draft order. The regular draft in June already is reverse order of the teams regular season finish. They wouldn't have 2 drafts a year rewarding the exact same teams the same picks would they?

Unless they have 1 draft that's a weighted draft based on your past X season finishes. Or maybe, one draft is based on your finish last year, and the other draft ranks teams solely based on how their entire farm system finished (so you total up all the wins that every AAA,AA,A and so on teams finished).

[reyes the roof]

Re: MLB Lockout

What’s the argument again international draft, or even just having one draft that includes international players. The only thing I’ve heard is that teams invest a lot of money in baseball academies in other countries and they’d be reluctant to do that if anyone will be able to draft the players they’re developing.

[Master Live 013]

Re: MLB Lockout

The argument against drafts in general is that it depresses the money draftees get.

[countryboy]

Re: MLB Lockout

Sounds as though the MLBPA will be submitting a counter proposal to the owners in the next few days.

[TheMatrix31]

Re: MLB Lockout

What’s the argument again international draft, or even just having one draft that includes international players. The only thing I’ve heard is that teams invest a lot of money in baseball academies in other countries and they’d be reluctant to do that if anyone will be able to draft the players they’re developing.

And if that's the case then **** drafts.

I think the system is fine the way it is. Some teams invest in international talent. Others don't if they see fit to not. I like that the Braves emphasize it and we've gotten quite a few prizes based on our investments.

[countryboy]

Re: MLB Lockout

Owners and players to meet Monday


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[Majingir]

Re: MLB Lockout

I read that the players actually did propose a 12 team playoff format vs the owners 14. So no matter what, I guess its happening?

One side will "cave in" to the other and act like they're giving up their playoff proposals in exchange for something else.

[countryboy]

Re: MLB Lockout

Players/Union dropped its request for age based free agency system which the owner said they wouldn't consider.

Union/players also revised their proposal on revenue sharing between teams.

So the union/players have made two concessions. Curious to see what the owners counter back with.

Reports are the two sides are meeting in person again tomorrow.