Re: MLB Lockout

[bhurst99]

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I read that the players actually did propose a 12 team playoff format vs the owners 14. So no matter what, I guess its happening?

One side will "cave in" to the other and act like they're giving up their playoff proposals in exchange for something else.

Yeah, not a big fan of more playoff teams. Just dilutes the importance of the regular season.

If there were six teams in each league making the playoffs last year that means the 83-79 Cincinnati Reds would have made it. Yikes.

[Majingir]

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Yeah, not a big fan of more playoff teams. Just dilutes the importance of the regular season.



If there were six teams in each league making the playoffs last year that means the 83-79 Cincinnati Reds would have made it. Yikes.

This year, yes, a bad NL team gets in, but I remember doing a calculation last year. I think the average 6 seed had 86 wins or something. So 83 is low compared to that.

[kehlis]

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This year, yes, a bad NL team gets in, but I remember doing a calculation last year. I think the average 6 seed had 86 wins or something. So 83 is low compared to that.

3 wins is the difference for you out of 162?

No thanks.

[canes21]

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There was nothing wrong with the playoffs before this new wildcard game was added. There's not much wrong with it now other than I wish it was a 3 or 5 game series.

No more teams, please. I always loved that baseball had fewer teams make the postseason. Playoff baseball always hit different and I feel adding teams takes away some of that.

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[Picci]

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What I wish would happen.

<li>MLB has their set of lawyers arguing their case. MLBPA have their set of lawyers argue their case. The fans elect an arbitrator and settles the disputes

<li>International signing is a farce. When the Yankees are able to sign the top rated player the last 2 years, something is wrong. A draft is required

<li>The playoffs need to expand for more teams so those lower-level teams can have a chance to compete

<li>There needs to be a payroll minimum that all teams have to meet. When a player can now make more than a whole team salary then this a problem

<li>I hate the DH but I love the idea that if you change your pitcher, you lose the DH

<li>Scrap any idea of making changes to any fielder shifts. Learn how to go the other way

[Master Live 013]

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Yeah, well, we need arbitration to choose the arbitrators because I don't agree that a draft is required, that playoffs should be expanded or that a payroll minimum is needed :P

[reyes the roof]

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If there was a minimum payroll I think that would reduce the need for expanded playoffs if you’re expanding for the reason of helping the lower level teams

[Picci]

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If there was a minimum payroll I think that would reduce the need for expanded playoffs if you’re expanding for the reason of helping the lower level teams

Besides having more interest for the lower-tier teams, baseball needs to generate more revenues and fan interest. The playoffs give you that. Sports Gambling is growing, and more states are legalizing it, and people are betting. Some estimated that $44b was wagered last year. More playoff teams means more fan interest, means more gambling from fans, means more TV revenues from viewers.

[Majingir]

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What I wish would happen.

<li>MLB has their set of lawyers arguing their case. MLBPA have their set of lawyers argue their case. The fans elect an arbitrator and settles the disputes

<li>International signing is a farce. When the Yankees are able to sign the top rated player the last 2 years, something is wrong. A draft is required

<li>The playoffs need to expand for more teams so those lower-level teams can have a chance to compete

<li>There needs to be a payroll minimum that all teams have to meet. When a player can now make more than a whole team salary then this a problem

<li>I hate the DH but I love the idea that if you change your pitcher, you lose the DH

<li>Scrap any idea of making changes to any fielder shifts. Learn how to go the other way

For a second I thought you meant the fans become the arbitrators.

For sure some sort of IFA draft.

And I agree with a payroll floor. Doesn't seem fair in a revenue sharing league that teams can just not spend much while getting free money. Maybe not a fixed floor, but being below the floor DQs you from getting any money. If your billionaire owner cant spend, get a new owner and/or your team shouldn't be in that market.

If there was a minimum payroll I think that would reduce the need for expanded playoffs if you’re expanding for the reason of helping the lower level teams

Expanded playoffs isn't so much for the lower level teams. If anything, it's more for the higher level teams. Would owners be more willing to spend knowing there's a better odds of their investment making the playoffs. Or would they be less willing because they still think they could make it without spending? I feel we'd see both approaches happening.

Although, the owners wanted more teams than the players seemed to want, so make your own conclusions from that.

[jasontoddwhitt]

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I don't want expanded playoffs. Hell, I was against the extra wild card. I wish they would get rid of it.

It's looking more and more like spring training is going to get delayed. Now I'm not too concerned about a shortened spring training, but Opening Day is becoming endangered.

Players have made concessions, but it seems like the owners don't want to budge. Typical.

[Sportsforever]

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These jokers are going to delay the regular season...I know that labor disputes are never popular, and I know they are necessary at times, but it sure seems like a piss poor time for baseball to make clowns of themselves.

I read today that if a deal isn't in place by March 3rd then the March 31st regular season will have to slide back to the right. If they lose a good part of this season, think how guys like Trout, Acuna, Soto, etc, will have had their career numbers impacted between the 2020 COVID season and a potential 2022 strike season.

Oh well...there are more important things, but it sure would be nice to be talking about spring training in a few weeks instead of labor negotiations.

[jasontoddwhitt]

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I don’t get it. It’s like they are willing to commit a harakiri.

Baseball’s popularity has been waning. Let’s fix that with….a work stoppage?!?


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[Majingir]

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These jokers are going to delay the regular season...I know that labor disputes are never popular, and I know they are necessary at times, but it sure seems like a piss poor time for baseball to make clowns of themselves.



I read today that if a deal isn't in place by March 3rd then the March 31st regular season will have to slide back to the right. If they lose a good part of this season, think how guys like Trout, Acuna, Soto, etc, will have had their career numbers impacted between the 2020 COVID season and a potential 2022 strike season.



Oh well...there are more important things, but it sure would be nice to be talking about spring training in a few weeks instead of labor negotiations.

I read today that if a deal isn't in place by March 3rd then the March 31st regular season will have to slide back to the right. If they lose a good part of this season, think how guys like Trout, Acuna, Soto, etc, will have had their career numbers impacted between the 2020 COVID season and a potential 2022 strike season.

Its basically the 94 effect all over again too.

Matt Williams might have broken the HR record, he had 43 in 112GP (projected 62 over 162gp). Griffey had 40 in 111GP (projected 58 over 162 games). So guys did have a shot there.

[CBoller1331]

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These jokers are going to delay the regular season...I know that labor disputes are never popular, and I know they are necessary at times, but it sure seems like a piss poor time for baseball to make clowns of themselves.

I read today that if a deal isn't in place by March 3rd then the March 31st regular season will have to slide back to the right. If they lose a good part of this season, think how guys like Trout, Acuna, Soto, etc, will have had their career numbers impacted between the 2020 COVID season and a potential 2022 strike season.

Oh well...there are more important things, but it sure would be nice to be talking about spring training in a few weeks instead of labor negotiations.

I would consider myself a very big baseball fan and the lockout has definitely hampered my excitement for the coming season. I am as uninterested in this year as I can remember ever being. I'm sure some of that is due to the Cubs being unlikely to field a competitive team, but even in the 2010-14 years I was still excited about Spring Training and Opening day. This year I'm pretty indifferent towards it.

All of that is a long way of saying that if a diehard baseball fan like myself can lose interest thanks to a work stoppage, then I am sure the game will lose a lot of more casual fans if they miss games. I have long thought that the "baseball is dying" narrative has been overblown by people in the media who don't watch or care the game to begin with (cough...cough...ESPN...cough). If you actually watch the games you can tell there is as much talent as we have ever had on the field right now. But I think this lockout could really put a dent in the fan base that is hard to recover from. Unfortunately, I think the league will just try to gain back fans that they never had in the first place with sweeping rule changes and new short-sighted marketing strategies that end up alienating the fans who appreciate the game for what it is.

This isn't to say that some changes aren't necessary, but both sides better figure out how to work together and compromise for a resolution, instead of trying to win the public's approval. I have lost sympathy for both sides. There are bigger issues in the world than whether Jared Kelenic plays in Seattle for 6 years or 7, or how much the Yankees have to share there revenue with the Pirates. Right now it just seems like both sides are trying get the fanbase on their side instead of working together on a deal.

[reyes the roof]

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I saw yesterday that they’re pretty much set on a universal DH, but now they can’t decide which side that benefits so they’re going to argue over that and who has to give something up now since they got the DH. It feels like we’re missing regular season games