2024-2025 Hot Stove Thread

[Fiddy]

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Soto literally has no protection in that projected Mets lineup….so good luck Mets fans with that contract.

He will not come close to living up to it. Figure slightly above his 2022 combined season with the Nats and Friars. That will be the norm…..

As a die hard lifelong Yankees fan…..don’t let the door hit you on the *** on the way out. Now we can move on and get some pieces.

How about Alex Bregman? Yeah he would look good in pinstripes. Maybe pick up another rotation arm and resign Torres.

The Hot Stove will finally begin.

The Mets still have some work to do (that projected 2025 lineup with Baty/Marte in it won't cut it) but if you take away the Mets RF production and basically add what Soto has done career wise they would be right where the Yankees were in production with HR's, RBI's, among other stats in 2024.

But the offseason has just begun and Uncle Steve going to just spend more $$$$$$..

Should be interesting thats for sure.

[MiracleMet718]

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Soto literally has no protection in that projected Mets lineup….so good luck Mets fans with that contract.

He will not come close to living up to it. Figure slightly above his 2022 combined season with the Nats and Friars. That will be the norm…..

As a die hard lifelong Yankees fan…..don’t let the door hit you on the *** on the way out. Now we can move on and get some pieces.

How about Alex Bregman? Yeah he would look good in pinstripes. Maybe pick up another rotation arm and resign Torres.

The Hot Stove will finally begin.

Why would the Yankees re-sign Torres after everyone complained about how bad he’s been outside of that one year? Also the Mets offense was fine last year once Lindor got going after the first month. They’ll have enough depth where he can be a key piece and if anything, he gives protection to Lindor.

If he signed with the Yankees, Yankee fans would be talking about how great of a deal it was. This is what they did for all those years in the 2000s to get the stacked teams that made runs every year.

I do agree that this is probably better for the Yankees, they have too many holes to fill and now they can take the Soto money and get 3-4 big pieces that can help them balance out their rotation and lineup.

The Mets will probably bring back Alonso and look to fill out the rotation with Manaea and another mid-rotation guy. Would like to see them bring back Iglesias as a utility player and then add another piece or two from there. NL East should be fun for the next couple or years between the Braves, Phillies, and Mets and hopefully the Nats young kids can pan out so we’ll get some exciting baseball.

[DamnYanks2]

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Surprised Soto didn't land with the Yankees. But whatever. We're screwed anyway. Until Cashman and Boone are gone. A decent manager would of taken the Dodgers 6 or 7.

[countryboy]

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Angels sign Dakota Hudson to minor league deal

[Bard]

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Jordan Romano to the Phillies on a one year deal.

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[Armor and Sword]

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Why would the Yankees re-sign Torres after everyone complained about how bad he’s been outside of that one year? Also the Mets offense was fine last year once Lindor got going after the first month. They’ll have enough depth where he can be a key piece and if anything, he gives protection to Lindor.

If he signed with the Yankees, Yankee fans would be talking about how great of a deal it was. This is what they did for all those years in the 2000s to get the stacked teams that made runs every year.

I do agree that this is probably better for the Yankees, they have too many holes to fill and now they can take the Soto money and get 3-4 big pieces that can help them balance out their rotation and lineup.

The Mets will probably bring back Alonso and look to fill out the rotation with Manaea and another mid-rotation guy. Would like to see them bring back Iglesias as a utility player and then add another piece or two from there. NL East should be fun for the next couple or years between the Braves, Phillies, and Mets and hopefully the Nats young kids can pan out so we’ll get some exciting baseball.

I think Torres coming back is 20/80 he does. So probably not.

Agree we have holes to fill out. I would go hard after Burns and Bregman.

Slide over Jazz to 2B or put him in CF and put Judge back in RF...Dominguez in LF (for now).

Pitching....go get two arms. I go get Bregman too.

Should be interesting. Ang being a Yankee lifer....if Soto signed of course I would be happy.....but that contract in 5 years is gonna look awful IMO.

[Armor and Sword]

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Surprised Soto didn't land with the Yankees. But whatever. We're screwed anyway. Until Cashman and Boone are gone. A decent manager would of taken the Dodgers 6 or 7.

Hal is not George. That is very apparent.

And the Key Yankees in their run in the mid to late 90's:

Jeter
Rivera
Posada
Williams
Pettitte

Home grown. So stop.....most teams use free agency to fill out their rosters.

Mets will lose like usual in the post season if they even get there. How is that Bonilla annuity treating ya.

[DamnYanks2]

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Hal is not George. That is very apparent.

And the Key Yankees in their run in the mid to late 90's:

Jeter
Rivera
Posada
Williams
Pettitte

Home grown. So stop.....most teams use free agency to fill out their rosters.

Mets will lose like usual in the post season if they even get there. How is that Bonilla annuity treating ya.

We can't replace Soto though. People look at his numbers too much and are like oh why pay him that much. Soto is one of those guys that analytics don't tell the story. There's nobody like him. He takes every AB personal. Every pitch is a battle in itself. The team feeds off him. He's a maniac and he wants the moment.

You can't replace Soto. Judge and others don't want the moment. We'll be good again. But we aren't going back to the WS. The entire culture has to change. I've come to terms with it.

[DrJones]

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I'm curious if this is a one-off, or if the Mets have serious designs of becoming the Manchester City to the Yankees' United. Cohen has the money to make this possible if he really wants to. Because of baseball's high variability compared to soccer, doubling the Yankees and Dodgers payrolls wouldn't guarantee titles. But he could do it.

[MiracleMet718]

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I think Torres coming back is 20/80 he does. So probably not.

Agree we have holes to fill out. I would go hard after Burns and Bregman.

Slide over Jazz to 2B or put him in CF and put Judge back in RF...Dominguez in LF (for now).

Pitching....go get two arms. I go get Bregman too.

Should be interesting. Ang being a Yankee lifer....if Soto signed of course I would be happy.....but that contract in 5 years is gonna look awful IMO.

Hal is not George. That is very apparent.

And the Key Yankees in their run in the mid to late 90's:

Jeter
Rivera
Posada
Williams
Pettitte

Home grown. So stop.....most teams use free agency to fill out their rosters.

Mets will lose like usual in the post season if they even get there. How is that Bonilla annuity treating ya.

Best bet for you guys is Jazz at 2B. He was struggling big time trying to play CF in Miami, which was a dumb decision when they got Arraez (and ended up trading him for barely anything not long after). I think Bregman and Walker would be solid bats for you guys too. Add Burnes or Fried and you guys have more than enough to compete with the Orioles for the AL East.

Also I know Yankees fans expect the Mets to be terrible and as a lifelong Mets fan that dealt with years of misery under the Wilpon’s, I have my own reservations about the team success. But under Cohen this has been a totally different run franchise that is building the blocks for success for the first time in forever. It started with signing expensive veterans to fill the void and then when it wasn’t working out, trading them for useful prospects. The farm has some nice prospects now and Stearns is making smart short term deals and committing to bigger deals only where it’s the player they want and have them lined up for success going forward.

I also appreciate a good Bonilla joke, but I don’t think Cohen is going to lose sleep over $1m per year haha. I’m actually surprised Soto didn’t get any deferred money. It’s a smart business move by teams since they’ll just re-invest that money and make a ton off of it in the market. I get players want that security long term, but Soto can take his $765-800 mil and make a killing off of that instead of getting a fraction of the increase over the lifecycle of the payout.

[bhurst99]

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Jordan Romano to the Phillies on a one year deal.

I read that the Athletic's Ken Rosenthal reported the deal is for above Romano's projected arbitration number of $7.75 million.

That's shocking if true. Reports during rehab was that his velocity was down which was why the Jays non-tendered him. His decline was noticeable in 2023 and he fell off a cliff in 2024. I guess teams are flush with cash based on the contracts we're seeing.

[Armor and Sword]

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We can't replace Soto though. People look at his numbers too much and are like oh why pay him that much. Soto is one of those guys that analytics don't tell the story. There's nobody like him. He takes every AB personal. Every pitch is a battle in itself. The team feeds off him. He's a maniac and he wants the moment.

You can't replace Soto. Judge and others don't want the moment. We'll be good again. But we aren't going back to the WS. The entire culture has to change. I've come to terms with it.

I don't disagree about Soto.

But IMO you are wrong about Judge.......it's baseball. He will have a monster post season at some point....reversion to the mean happens with guys like him.

I just want us to be competitive......baseball is such a grind. And what the Yankees and Braves did in the mid 90's into the 00's was unlike anything that will ever....and I mean ever be repeated.

Way too many guys don't care to stick around anymore. Sports are not what they used to be in terms of dynasty's.

It's rare air.

[Armor and Sword]

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Best bet for you guys is Jazz at 2B. He was struggling big time trying to play CF in Miami, which was a dumb decision when they got Arraez (and ended up trading him for barely anything not long after). I think Bregman and Walker would be solid bats for you guys too. Add Burnes or Fried and you guys have more than enough to compete with the Orioles for the AL East.

Also I know Yankees fans expect the Mets to be terrible and as a lifelong Mets fan that dealt with years of misery under the Wilpon’s, I have my own reservations about the team success. But under Cohen this has been a totally different run franchise that is building the blocks for success for the first time in forever. It started with signing expensive veterans to fill the void and then when it wasn’t working out, trading them for useful prospects. The farm has some nice prospects now and Stearns is making smart short term deals and committing to bigger deals only where it’s the player they want and have them lined up for success going forward.

I also appreciate a good Bonilla joke, but I don’t think Cohen is going to lose sleep over $1m per year haha. I’m actually surprised Soto didn’t get any deferred money. It’s a smart business move by teams since they’ll just re-invest that money and make a ton off of it in the market. I get players want that security long term, but Soto can take his $765-800 mil and make a killing off of that instead of getting a fraction of the increase over the lifecycle of the payout.

Yeah I see Jazz sliding to 2B and we make a push for Bregman and Burns....that's what I would do.

Met's are going in upward trend since Cohen took over. But.....it's the Mets. LOL. And yeah I know Cohen ain't losing a wink over 1MM a year for Bobby Bo.....but man that is the funniest thing ever...had to toss that in!!!

Met's as of now...are still in 3rd in the East IMO...but I am sure they are not done this winter.

[MiracleMet718]

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Yeah I see Jazz sliding to 2B and we make a push for Bregman and Burns....that's what I would do.

Met's are going in upward trend since Cohen took over. But.....it's the Mets. LOL. And yeah I know Cohen ain't losing a wink over 1MM a year for Bobby Bo.....but man that is the funniest thing ever...had to toss that in!!!

Met's as of now...are still in 3rd in the East IMO...but I am sure they are not done this winter.

I agree, curious what they’ll do the rest of the winter. With the Braves getting healthy, the Phillies bringing back pretty much the same squad, and the Mets getting Soto (and assuming more pieces), it’s going to be a dogfight at the top though. Nationals are probably a year or two away from truly competing, but they have great young players. So should be a tough division the next few years.

And then there are the Marlins…lol

[DamnYanks2]

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I don't disagree about Soto.

But IMO you are wrong about Judge.......it's baseball. He will have a monster post season at some point....reversion to the mean happens with guys like him.

I just want us to be competitive......baseball is such a grind. And what the Yankees and Braves did in the mid 90's into the 00's was unlike anything that will ever....and I mean ever be repeated.

Way too many guys don't care to stick around anymore. Sports are not what they used to be in terms of dynasty's.

It's rare air.

But it can't just be Judge and Stanton. Soto was that guy that we missed for years. Filling that void is near impossible. Barring some major signings and JDom and other young guys stepping way up. We are right back to where we were.

A second round team at best. I'm not optimistic at all.