2015 Atlanta Braves

[TheMatrix31]

Re: 2015 Atlanta Braves

I don't really want to trade Maybin even if he "probably" won't keep it up. He's likable and he's improved so much and I don't like rewarding such improvement by turning around and shipping him out.

Keeping him would be a very good "culture" thing.

Don't give a **** about Wieters. Definition of "meh". I'd love to find the next JD Martinez somewhere. Though, who wouldn't?

[DonkeyJote]

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I don't care at all about "likeable." I'm not going out for beers with any of these guys. And it's not a matter of "if" he can keep it up, it's a matter of how much he'll drop off; .348 babip isn't sustainable. I like Maybin; he does a bunch of things well, even if he doesn't do anything great. The issue here is that the farm system still needs more talent. You can't get that without giving something up. Maybin is the only piece short of our young pitchers and Freeman/Simmons (the only "untoucheable" position players) that has ANY chance at obtaining a high ish level prospect. And there are a bunch of guys in our system with similar skills to Maybin (Mallex Smith killed double A and is now adjusting to Gwinnett, is 22, and plays CF, and Peraza is in Triple A too; both could be on the roster opening day next year). We need guys with different skills. And I don't see shopping Maybin to be "punishing" him at all. He's 28 and in his 9th season; isn't trading him to a playoff team for the first time in his career "rewarding" him?

As far as Wieters, he's clearly not a game changer, but a healthy Wieters on this team might lead the team in homeruns. And unless Bautista's option is declined (unlikely), you think Upton would come back (also unlikely), or you think Encarnacion could be a viable outfielder (unlikely), there's not too many power options in free agency. And we still lack trade assets besides the pitching ones we just gutted our roster to get.

A Martinez would be great, but it's not like he came out of nowhere. All he did was hit in the minors. Obviously he's taken it to another level the last two years, but the talent was always there.

[thefakeJTS]

Re: 2015 Atlanta Braves

Maybin has been the MVP of this team so far in my opinion. He does so many things well, and his energy is infectious. Plus it's nice that this clubhouse seems to have so much chemistry. I really don't want to break this club up at the deadline, but it seems inevitable.

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[DonkeyJote]

Re: 2015 Atlanta Braves

Maybin has been the MVP of this team so far in my opinion. He does so many things well, and his energy is infectious. Plus it's nice that this clubhouse seems to have so much chemistry. I really don't want to break this club up at the deadline, but it seems inevitable.

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Let's not get crazy. Freeman is the MVP. Even Simmons, despite his struggles, doubles Maybin's WAR. Maybin is hitting his ceiling, and it's that of a decent starter. Chemistry is nice, but it means nothing without talent, which the franchise still lacks.

[TheMatrix31]

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I think likable is very important. As fans, we're watching for entertainment for 6 months out of each year. I would take no joy or pride in a team full of detestable players being successful.

And maybe there really is something to Maybin finding his groove here and clicking with Seitzer. And if that's the case then yes, it is punishing success and development and it's a horrible, horrible sign to the rest of the players in the league that we don't want to keep talented players who've actually worked hard at improving instead flipping for prospects prospects prospects.

There's "building for the future" and there's fielding a team NOW. Maybin is a large part of the team NOW. I don't care if he won't be in the future if all the other chips turn out the way we want them to. We're finally getting over the repulsive last couple of years and the last thing we need is to trade someone who is loved *and* wants to be here *and* on a reasonable deal *and* improved just for the **** of it.

[DonkeyJote]

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I think likable is very important. As fans, we're watching for entertainment for 6 months out of each year. I would take no joy or pride in a team full of detestable players being successful.

And maybe there really is something to Maybin finding his groove here and clicking with Seitzer. And if that's the case then yes, it is punishing success and development and it's a horrible, horrible sign to the rest of the players in the league that we don't want to keep talented players who've actually worked hard at improving instead flipping for prospects prospects prospects.

There's "building for the future" and there's fielding a team NOW. Maybin is a large part of the team NOW. I don't care if he won't be in the future if all the other chips turn out the way we want them to. We're finally getting over the repulsive last couple of years and the last thing we need is to trade someone who is loved *and* wants to be here *and* on a reasonable deal *and* improved just for the **** of it.

I disagree. Gary Sheffield is kinda unlikeable, and I still loved having him here. Do you think Giants fans weren't happy with Bonds? I root for the name on the front of the jersey. And if trading a guy who, in the best year of his career while sporting a .348 babip, is still a middle of the road player (1.0 war, 7th among nl cfers in ops), then I don't care how likeable he is. A "likeable" 80 win team doea nothing for me.

Players understand it's a business. I don't think any free agent is gonna think "I'm not signing with them, they traded Cameron Maybin."

Also, repulsive last couple years? We won 96 games 2 years ago! I don't understand how an 80 win team is better than a 96 win team

[TheMatrix31]

Re: 2015 Atlanta Braves

Sheff was very likable as a Brave because all the cancerous attitude he was known for was a complete non-factor during his time with the team. During his tenure he was an ********* teammate and locker room presence.

And yeah, Maybin is no star. But that means we won't get much of a prospect in return either, so you might as well keep him and see if he can continue to improve.

You might say an 80 win team that's likable does nothing for you and that's your prerogative but I tell ya what, I'm enjoying this team much more than last year's catastrophe even when we were winning (which was what, up through the final week of July?) or the year before even if we made the playoffs because I knew it was boom or bust garbage. Players like BJ Upton and Dan Uggla were and are repulsive to me. Even now, Chris Johnson's bitch *** is still on the team but with any luck he won't be any longer and the guy hardly even gets playing time nowadays anyway.

Hell, everyone knows how much I hate Gomes and Pierzynski in general and even they have been likable this season.

[DonkeyJote]

Re: 2015 Atlanta Braves

They've been likeable because they're on your team. And sure, last year sucked, we lost 90 games. Obviously this is better than that. But I'd take 2013 boom or bust over not sucking, but not actually being that good.

As far as Maybin's trade value, a solid 28 yr old holds more value for a playoff team than for a team still 2 years away. We should be able to get a return that holds more value than what he would hold for us.

[TheMatrix31]

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Nah, not really. They haven't acted like cocksuckers like they have in the past. I've got no problems calling people out I hate even if they're on my team. Y'all should know that by now, lol.

[Sportsforever]

Re: 2015 Atlanta Braves

...but some of the trade scenarios I keep reading for Maybin...shudder. I saw one that had us sending Chris Johnson and Maybin to the Giants for Peavy and Pagan. Why would we take on over the hill vets with $26M in salary due next year? I'd be pissed if that happened.

[DonkeyJote]

Re: 2015 Atlanta Braves

...but some of the trade scenarios I keep reading for Maybin...shudder. I saw one that had us sending Chris Johnson and Maybin to the Giants for Peavy and Pagan. Why would we take on over the hill vets with $26M in salary due next year? I'd be pissed if that happened.

That was just speculation from Rosenthal. That's a very one sided trade. We supposedly had talks with the Giants, but they fell through once their rookie took the job.

[thefakeJTS]

Re: 2015 Atlanta Braves

If Maybin is traded, I'm sure it will be with CJ.

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[TheMatrix31]

Re: 2015 Atlanta Braves

Yet another deal where we're forced to trade a productive player to get rid of a **** one with a **** contract. SMFH. Of course, Maybin is no Kimbrel.

[thefakeJTS]

Re: 2015 Atlanta Braves

Yet another deal where we're forced to trade a productive player to get rid of a **** one with a **** contract. SMFH. Of course, Maybin is no Kimbrel.

The Kimbrel trade looks good so far though. Wisler and Maybin are two huge pieces for us. The Heyward trade looks like a steal. The Upton trade got us Jace and hopefully Fried picks up where he left off after recovery.

Only the Gattis trade has a sour taste in my mouth currently. Ruiz hasn't had a good season in the minors and Folty has been struggling.

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[LowerWolf]

Re: 2015 Atlanta Braves

If we're going to trade Maybin, I'd rather do it for the best haul possible rather than attach Johnson to it.

Johnson is owed $16.5M for the two seasons after this one (with a $1M buyout for 2018). That's not good, but that's not the albatross B.J.'s contract was either.