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  • GBrushTWood
    Banned
    • Mar 2003
    • 1624

    #721
    Re: Official Boston Red Sox 2005 Thread

    Originally posted by camulos
    Except for the 2 hits, HR, 2 RBI and 2 Runs.
    95% of the players in baseball with Manny's speed don't run that out, but because it's Manny he gets criticized. Guy just can't win.
    How can you excuse any player for not running hard to 1st base? In the 10th inning of a tie game? He literally WALKED down the line! I think John Olerud might have beat him in a race to 1st there.

    Manny isn't some kind of sacred cow, he can be legitimately criticized in a separate manner from stupid hatred such as "he's a lazy dimwit".

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    • Stu
      All Star
      • Jun 2004
      • 7924

      #722
      Re: Official Boston Red Sox 2005 Thread

      Originally posted by GBrushTWood
      How can you excuse any player for not running hard to 1st base? In the 10th inning of a tie game? He literally WALKED down the line! I think John Olerud might have beat him in a race to 1st there.

      Manny isn't some kind of sacred cow, he can be legitimately criticized in a separate manner from stupid hatred such as "he's a lazy dimwit".
      I think it's legitimate criticism but saying they won the game in spite of Manny falls in the "stupid hatred" form in my book when he obviously contributed to the win. Maybe I'm just defensive from listening to him take a beating on WEEI all day, but people seem to have a big target on Manny where if it had been Ortiz, who would've done the same exact thing, he would've gotten a free pass.
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      • Mxracer23x
        Pro
        • Aug 2003
        • 674

        #723
        Re: Official Boston Red Sox 2005 Thread

        Originally posted by camulos
        I think it's legitimate criticism but saying they won the game in spite of Manny falls in the "stupid hatred" form in my book when he obviously contributed to the win. Maybe I'm just defensive from listening to him take a beating on WEEI all day, but people seem to have a big target on Manny where if it had been Ortiz, who would've done the same exact thing, he would've gotten a free pass.
        Yea I know, If it wasnt for Manny the red sox wouldnt have won the game. I mean if Manny decides to take a nap in left field because mannys tired so be it as long as he keeps on being a rbi machine ill be happy.



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        • DuffysCliff
          Rookie
          • Jan 2004
          • 294

          #724
          Re: Official Boston Red Sox 2005 Thread

          Originally posted by GBrushTWood
          How can you excuse any player for not running hard to 1st base? In the 10th inning of a tie game? He literally WALKED down the line! I think John Olerud might have beat him in a race to 1st there.

          Manny isn't some kind of sacred cow, he can be legitimately criticized in a separate manner from stupid hatred such as "he's a lazy dimwit".

          I don't think Manny's lack of hustle was because of lack of caring, I think it was pretty clear that he was frustrated. After his third strikeout he kind of twirled his bat around and dropped it, looking like he didn't know what to do with himself, and Manny never really shows that much emotion. When he realized he had just grounded into a double play after strikeout out 3 times, one of the times being on a bad call, also with news spreading that he wanted out, well I think he gave up on himself.

          Then again, he may have just not cared, but I don't think thats why.

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          • Stu
            All Star
            • Jun 2004
            • 7924

            #725
            Re: Official Boston Red Sox 2005 Thread

            Anyone see Youk's numbers from the PawSox doubleheader yesterday?

            5-10, 5 doubles, 4 runs, 3 RBI. He's now batting .341 for Pawtucket.

            Papelbon pitched 5 innings allowing 4 hits and 1 run while striking out 8.
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            • ILLCHILL
              MVP
              • Feb 2004
              • 2820

              #726
              Re: Official Boston Red Sox 2005 Thread

              Originally posted by camulos
              Anyone see Youk's numbers from the PawSox doubleheader yesterday?

              5-10, 5 doubles, 4 runs, 3 RBI. He's now batting .341 for Pawtucket.

              Papelbon pitched 5 innings allowing 4 hits and 1 run while striking out 8.
              I am telling you, I am so pumped up about our next generation of Sox players it is disgusting.

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              • ILLCHILL
                MVP
                • Feb 2004
                • 2820

                #727
                Re: Official Boston Red Sox 2005 Thread

                Originally posted by deeman11747
                I'm aware of the slight difference in current talent between the two, but how can you like a guy getting paid more money than you can ever imagine that just dogs it and acts like he doesn't care. It just seems like a waste of talent when he acts like that and it makes it hard to root for a guy you feel doesn't care as much as someone else.

                Obviously he's not the only one who does this, but he makes it extremely obvious and he should be taking a leadership role on the team as a veteran but I don't think you want a guy that won't run 90 feet to help his team out to by your leader.

                But thats just my two cents.
                Slight difference in talent?

                Manny is currently .275/.371/.576. More importnatly he has 28 HR and 92 RBI.

                Brown is 4-7 with a 6.50 ERA. That is hardly justifiable fo a Major League ropster spot, forget a roster spot on a 200 million dollar team

                Obviously he is a lazy guy at times, but he is paid to hit. He shoulda ran out that ground ball and I was upset he didnt. But he is paid to hit. If 'Tek didn't do it it would be different because he is paid to eb the Captain of the team. If Mueller didn't do it it would be different because his stats aren't nearly as great. But when you are the best right-handed hitter in baseball over the last 6 or so years and a World Series MVP, he can do it every now and then without Sox Nation hating him. We all understand Manny isn't like other players, he simply doesnt care. He loves having fun and loves to hit, and does both better than almost any guy in the league.

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                • Stu
                  All Star
                  • Jun 2004
                  • 7924

                  #728
                  Re: Official Boston Red Sox 2005 Thread

                  Interesting lineup today

                  Damon CF
                  Renteria SS
                  Ortiz DH
                  Olerud 1B
                  Mueller 3B
                  Millar LF
                  Mirabelli C
                  Cora 2B
                  Stern RF

                  Apparently Manny was supposed to get a day off in Chicago but Tito told him today would be better. Tito then went to Manny last night and said they were in a bind but Manny still said he wanted the day off.

                  Not sure what to make of this. It seems like Manny is pretty frustrated right now so maybe it's for the best.
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                  • ILLCHILL
                    MVP
                    • Feb 2004
                    • 2820

                    #729
                    Re: Official Boston Red Sox 2005 Thread

                    Now this kinda thing, again while I am not totally furious, is stupid. I won't care about it 3 days from now, but plug Manny into the DH spot. If he wants his day off, Tito has the right and should be saying, no you are playing today. He does need a day off, I will admit, because he never gets one and constantly is playing LF. And maybe this is a good day to give him one, I really don't see their 'bind'. But that isn't the point, the point is Manny should play if Tito says we need him to. Maybe we should give him one at home against Minnesota becuase then 'tek can hit third and Ortiz can do clean-up. Hitting Olerud cleanup here is ridiculous.

                    But this is for all the Manny haters out there, especially in Sox nation. Look, our lineup goes from arguably the best in the league to a second-tier lineup at best. Granted, Nixon is injured, but if we traded Manny and all this happened, look at our lineup.

                    I have no doubt that this will all blow over within 6 days.

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                    • ILLCHILL
                      MVP
                      • Feb 2004
                      • 2820

                      #730
                      Re: Official Boston Red Sox 2005 Thread

                      Originally posted by camulos
                      Interesting lineup today

                      Damon CF
                      Renteria SS
                      Ortiz DH
                      Olerud 1B
                      Mueller 3B
                      Millar LF
                      Mirabelli C
                      Cora 2B
                      Stern RF

                      Apparently Manny was supposed to get a day off in Chicago but Tito told him today would be better. Tito then went to Manny last night and said they were in a bind but Manny still said he wanted the day off.

                      Not sure what to make of this. It seems like Manny is pretty frustrated right now so maybe it's for the best.
                      In regards to the lineup, it is nice to see Stern get a start here, but bat Millar cleanup, Olerud after him, then Mueller. We need a more powerful middle of the order here,, maybe even bat Stern leadoff and Damon 3rd which could move Ortiz to clean up. Good thing we are facing Joe Schmoe today.

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                      • Thrasha
                        MVP
                        • Nov 2004
                        • 3374

                        #731
                        Re: Official Boston Red Sox 2005 Thread

                        I guess vs. TB is probably the best time to sit Manny, when you think about opponent wise.

                        But Chill was right, Manny shouldn't be dictating when he plays and when he doesn't. Oh well, Manny will be Manny. I just hope he really isn't disgruntled and starts causing trouble in the clubhouse.
                        “Nobody in the history of the game tried what I just tried. We’re talking about on the biggest stage, in New York, playing out of position and asked to hit fourth for the New York Yankees. I mean, that’s never been done.” - Sheffield on Sheffield

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                        • Misfit
                          All Star
                          • Mar 2003
                          • 5766

                          #732
                          Re: Official Boston Red Sox 2005 Thread

                          Nice to see Wake have a strong outing like that. Too bad some horrendous thunderstorms took out the power in my area halfway through the game.

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                          • boston_sports_rule
                            Rookie
                            • Nov 2004
                            • 377

                            #733
                            Re: Official Boston Red Sox 2005 Thread

                            With Trot being on the DL and probably out for at least 6 weeks, I think the sox should go get Jose Cruz Jr. from Arizona. I believe i read on the espn board he was designated for assignment. With Kapler not being able to come back till next week, the sox can play Hyzdu and Stern. When Kapler arrives you can have Cruz Jr and Kapler platoon.

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                            • Beantown
                              #DoYourJob
                              • Feb 2005
                              • 31523

                              #734
                              Re: Official Boston Red Sox 2005 Thread

                              Kapler's actually back this weekend. And is Jose Cruz. a lefty? If he is then yes, I can imagine the Sox going after him. If he's not they wont, because they want a lefty OF.

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                              • GBrushTWood
                                Banned
                                • Mar 2003
                                • 1624

                                #735
                                Re: Official Boston Red Sox 2005 Thread

                                I hate to bring up the Manny BS again, but one of the more interesting lines I've read in a while came from jacklamabe65 on SoSH. He essentially said that people who give Ramirez a free pass are the same ones who go out of their way to praise how Belichick doesn't let anybody put themselves over the team, and how no one player is more important than the team.

                                Ramirez included, is not above the team, however much he is being paid. His action on Tuesday night (walking to 1st in the 10th) and refusing to step up yesterday were absolutely pathetic. I'm one of Ramirez' biggest supporters, but it is impossible to create excuses for him this time around.

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