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  • Sundown
    MVP
    • Oct 2010
    • 3270

    #121
    Re: Defensive Settings Completely Removed from Next-Gen.

    Originally posted by iameich
    Guys I've been following the entire thread & I agree they should keep both but since they patched it out, we have to deal with what we have & learn to play without those defensive options.

    Also, why not just thoroughly test out POEs. Play an entire game & monitor only 1 POE per game or per quarter and see what it does and how it players react… etc.
    I'm not giving up this easily. If they patched it out, they can easily patch it back in.

    In fact all POE is is an interface change for how to set settings that still exist with a preset. It's just an extension of Quick Settings from years before. We just need the interface to be restored, half of which existed literally less than a week ago (at the pre-game matchup screen).

    We can save the "let's deal with it" posts for much later if worst comes to worst.

    What we DO need to do us come up with ideas on how POE can coexist with Settings or can be tweaked to give us what is currently missing.

    Somebody in the know suggests that would be a good idea right now and says that 2K devs have read this thread.
    Last edited by Sundown; 11-20-2013, 08:05 PM.

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    • iameich
      MVP
      • Jan 2011
      • 1501

      #122
      Defensive Settings Completely Removed from Next-Gen.

      Originally posted by Sundown
      I'm not giving up this easily. If they patched it out, they can easily patch it back in.

      In fact all POE is is an interface change for how to set settings that still exist with a preset. It's just an extension of Quick Settings from years before. We just need the interface to be restored, half of which existed literally less than a week ago (at the pre-game matchup screen).

      We can save the "let's deal with it" posts for much later if worst comes to worst.

      What we DO need to do us come up with ideas on how POE can coexist with Settings or can be tweaked to give us what is currently missing.

      Somebody in the know suggests that would be a good idea right now and says that 2K devs have read this thread.
      IF someone can get confirmation that 2k devs really do read these threads then yes, I think it's a good idea. But if not, it's just a waist of time trying to come up with ideas on how they can coexist. I say we start figuring out what/how the different POEs affect gameplay.
      "It's about damn time... It's about damn time.” - LeBron James

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      • LorenzoDC
        MVP
        • Sep 2010
        • 1857

        #123
        Re: Defensive Settings Completely Removed from Next-Gen.

        Originally posted by iameich
        IF someone can get confirmation that 2k devs really do read these threads then yes, I think it's a good idea. But if not, it's just a waist of time trying to come up with ideas on how they can coexist. I say we start figuring out what/how the different POEs affect gameplay.
        The community manager and a few other guys monitor online reactions, and this site is included.

        The prefer to read through stuff that is specific and constructive, not rants.

        In other words," You suck!" won't get read. But "why did you do X, when you used to do Y? Can you fix X to be like Y?" will get some attention. They try to tally stuff up and make lists of questions like that to bring back to the devs.

        Then, as a company, they decide what they think that can address, what they think they should address, and when they should address is.

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        • stillfeelme
          MVP
          • Aug 2010
          • 2407

          #124
          Re: Defensive Settings Completely Removed from Next-Gen.

          I don't even have the game yet and I was confused on how the defensive settings interact with the POE. If I had to choose I would want everything that Sundown says was in the original patch and then have the POE override the settings. To be honest all I think all they needed to add was specific settings of individual pressure on the post and perimeter. Then separate how to defend the post and perimeter in defensive settings and probably that trap corners to improve over CG and probably off ball screens like live.

          POE in my opinion should be modifiers of a coach's gameplan. I also think 3 specific POE's are not enough to get a team to play real all the time. We need more options on how we want to defend specific situations against specific players how a coach would

          • Example playing against Howard, Play physical aggressive foul if necessary. You are willing to let him earn his shots from the FT line. The downside of this you may wear out your bigs since he is a bruiser and be in a foul trouble. All the options that involve how you defend individual players should be in a defensive setting menu.
          • I think they have something where you focus on one player already but they need something like a shade option. You are not going to double but you are going to shade help to that defeender
          • Now for offense I think it should be some of the offense sets 4 -1, 3-2 sets motion etc. pick and rolls

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          • alabamarob
            MVP
            • Nov 2010
            • 3352

            #125
            Re: Defensive Settings Completely Removed from Next-Gen.

            Originally posted by eF 5ive
            What do you expect from HOF? I don't agree with user but I get all CPU getting major boosts on HOF.
            They always boost the cpu, but when I saw everyone of my players become 99 defensive players I wondered if the defense came from the new engine, new defensive rotation logic or just an unrealistic rating boost. Wasnt really complaining about the cpu.
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            • Sundown
              MVP
              • Oct 2010
              • 3270

              #126
              Re: Defensive Settings Completely Removed from Next-Gen.

              Originally posted by iameich
              IF someone can get confirmation that 2k devs really do read these threads then yes, I think it's a good idea. But if not, it's just a waist of time trying to come up with ideas on how they can coexist. I say we start figuring out what/how the different POEs affect gameplay.
              I can confirm that it's been read. Not sure if they are monitoring it but they do tend to monitor threads of interest (like the Advanced Dribbling thread).

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              • JasonWilliams55
                MVP
                • Jul 2012
                • 2045

                #127
                Re: Defensive Settings Completely Removed from Next-Gen.

                Originally posted by alabamarob
                They always boost the cpu, but when I saw everyone of my players become 99 defensive players I wondered if the defense came from the new engine, new defensive rotation logic or just an unrealistic rating boost. Wasnt really complaining about the cpu.
                Its coming from the ratings, on sim sliders (2ks default sim setup) defensive awareness is boosted 30 points (20 point slider increase to 70) and on ball defense is boosted 22.5 points (or 15 slider points to 65).

                Its a bandaid way to "fixing" issues.

                But, this is the way 2K11 (the OS fav of all time) did it as well, low roster ratings, but bumped sliders to make the players better on court.
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                • alabamarob
                  MVP
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 3352

                  #128
                  Re: Defensive Settings Completely Removed from Next-Gen.

                  Jwill

                  I never knew that. You tellin me that 2k11 hof sim sliders had onball and def awarness raised for cpu and USER?

                  If so then I may have to do a lot of reactanting. Ha
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                  • jaateloauto
                    Pro
                    • Sep 2009
                    • 743

                    #129
                    Re: Defensive Settings Completely Removed from Next-Gen.

                    Originally posted by JasonWilliams55
                    Its coming from the ratings, on sim sliders (2ks default sim setup) defensive awareness is boosted 30 points (20 point slider increase to 70) and on ball defense is boosted 22.5 points (or 15 slider points to 65).

                    Its a bandaid way to "fixing" issues.

                    But, this is the way 2K11 (the OS fav of all time) did it as well, low roster ratings, but bumped sliders to make the players better on court.
                    Not only that, but this is the way pretty much every game out there handles AI difficulty. Sports games increase AI's attributes, strategy games give them more resources and remove fog of war, shooting games give the AI more health and damage output. At some point, there's no other option than giving the AI bonuses the player doesn't get. And you don't want to leave any AI improvements outside the default difficulty AI, as that's what most people are going to ever see.

                    Originally posted by alabamarob
                    I never knew that. You tellin me that 2k11 hof sim sliders had onball and def awarness raised for cpu and USER?
                    Not for user, just the opposing AI.
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                    • vannwolfhawk
                      MVP
                      • Jun 2009
                      • 3412

                      #130
                      Re: Defensive Settings Completely Removed from Next-Gen.

                      Like Jwill said its a "band aid fix"

                      We don't want every player playing the same and having the same on ball or defensive awareness. This is why you have complaints of "why can't I get by Roy Hibbert with Russell Westbrook".

                      Wouldn't a simple solution be within the ratings? Scale the on ball and defensive awareness down lower for every player? This way when we up to hall of fame sim not every player has a 99 defensive awareness and above 90 on ball. Because even if guys have a 70 rating to start as of now in either category by upping the level they end up with above 90 automatically in both categories. We all know rosters are bad and have been for a long time. I want guys to play like themselves offensively and defensively no matter what level I'm playing on. Scaling those lower in the 40's, 50's, or 60's to start seems like the right move no?

                      Disclaimer: I don't have the game and have no idea as maybe this is already scaled like this?

                      To me I'd rather see this and if I wanted or needed to make the CPU tougher then I would or could adjust sliders (help defense, defensive awareness, on ball defense) myself to get the defense to play better while still having players separated to play more like themselves.
                      Last edited by vannwolfhawk; 11-21-2013, 12:56 PM.
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                      • JasonWilliams55
                        MVP
                        • Jul 2012
                        • 2045

                        #131
                        Re: Defensive Settings Completely Removed from Next-Gen.

                        Originally posted by vannwolfhawk
                        Like Jwill said its a "band aid fix"

                        We don't want every player playing the same and having the same on ball or defensive awareness. This is why you have complaints of "why can't I get by Roy Hibbert with Russell Westbrook".

                        Wouldn't a simple solution be within the ratings? Scale the on ball and defensive awareness down lower for every player? This way when we up to hall of fame sim not every player has a 99 defensive awareness and above 90 on ball. Because even if guys have a 70 rating to start as of now in either category by upping the level they end up with above 90 automatically in both categories. We all know rosters are bad and have been for a long time. I want guys to play like themselves offensively and defensively no matter what level I'm playing on. Scaling those lower in the 40's, 50's, or 60's to start seems like the right move no?

                        Disclaimer: I don't have the game and have no idea as maybe this is already scaled like this?

                        To me I'd rather see this and if I wanted or needed to make the CPU tougher then I would or could adjust sliders (help defense, defensive awareness, on ball defense) myself to get the defense to play better while still having players separated to play more like themselves.
                        I'll do a few case examples of how its playing out.

                        But I wouldn't be surprised to see that the boosts are the same as the CG ones, if so then the chart below will still apply.


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                        As posted here: JW55 HOF SET CG2K14


                        So just create your HUM sliders, then use the chart on the right side to add/subtract to get CPU sliders.



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                        </td> <td colspan="3" class="xl66" style="width:138pt" width="183">RATINGS BOOSTED
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                        </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-3</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-7</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">-10</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-3</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">15</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">25</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">30</td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">OAWR</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+7</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+2</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-10</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-16</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-20</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">-40</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-3</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">15</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">25</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">30</td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">DAWR</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+27</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+2</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-10</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-16</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-20</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">-10</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-2</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                        </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">3</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">6</td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">OREB</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+7</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+1</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                        </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-2</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-4</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">-10</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-2</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                        </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">5</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">10</td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">DREB</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+7</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+1</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                        </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-3</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-7</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">
                        </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                        </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                        </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                        </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                        </td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                        </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                        </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                        </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                        </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                        </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                        </td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">
                        </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                        </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                        </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">5</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">10</td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">STDNK</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                        </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                        </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                        </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-3</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-7</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">-10</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-3</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">10</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">20</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">30</td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">SEC</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+7</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+2</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-7</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-13</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-20</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">-10</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-2</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                        </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">5</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">10</td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">SOD</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+7</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+1</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                        </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-3</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-7</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">-10</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-3</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                        </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">5</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">10</td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">SIT</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+7</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+2</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                        </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-3</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-7</td></tr></tbody></table>
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                        Comment

                        • vannwolfhawk
                          MVP
                          • Jun 2009
                          • 3412

                          #132
                          Re: Defensive Settings Completely Removed from Next-Gen.

                          Originally posted by JasonWilliams55
                          I'll do a few case examples of how its playing out.

                          But I wouldn't be surprised to see that the boosts are the same as the CG ones, if so then the chart below will still apply.


                          *************************************************

                          As posted here: JW55 HOF SET CG2K14


                          So just create your HUM sliders, then use the chart on the right side to add/subtract to get CPU sliders.



                          <table align="center" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="671"><tbody><tr style="height:18.75pt" height="25"><td style="height:18.75pt;width:46pt" height="25" width="61">
                          </td> <td colspan="3" class="xl66" style="width:138pt" width="183">RATINGS BOOSTED
                          </td> <td style="width:46pt" width="61">
                          </td> <td style="width:46pt" width="61">
                          </td> <td style="width:46pt" width="61">
                          </td> <td colspan="3" class="xl66" style="width:138pt" width="183">SLIDERS TO BALANCE</td> <td style="width:46pt" width="61">
                          </td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl67" style="height:15.0pt" height="20">ROOKIE</td> <td class="xl67"> PRO</td> <td class="xl67">AS</td> <td class="xl67">SS</td> <td class="xl67">HOF</td> <td class="xl65">
                          </td> <td class="xl67">ROOKIE</td> <td class="xl67"> PRO</td> <td class="xl67">AS</td> <td class="xl67">SS</td> <td class="xl67">HOF</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt" height="20">-10</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-left:none">-2</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-left:none">3</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-left:none">6</td> <td class="xl69" style="border-left:none">QUI</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-left:none">+7</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-left:none">+1</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-left:none">-2</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-left:none">-4</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">-10</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-2</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">3</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">6</td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">VRT</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+7</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+1</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-2</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-4</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">-10</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-2</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">5</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">8</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">12</td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">STR</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+7</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+1</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-3</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-5</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-8</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">
                          </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">STA</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">-10</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-2</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">3</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">6</td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">SPD</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+7</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+1</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-2</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-4</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">
                          </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">DUR</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">-10</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-2</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">3</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">6</td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">HUS</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+7</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+1</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-2</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-4</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">-10</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-2</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">5</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">8</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">12</td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">BH</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+7</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+1</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-3</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-5</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-8</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">-10</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-3</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">10</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">20</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">30</td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">HND</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+7</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+2</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-7</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-13</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-20</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">-10</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-2</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">5</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">10</td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">DNK</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+7</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+1</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-3</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-7</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">-10</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-2</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">5</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">8</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">12</td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">OBD</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+7</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+1</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-3</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-5</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-8</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">-10</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-2</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">5</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">10</td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">STL</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+7</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+1</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-3</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-7</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">-10</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-2</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">5</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">10</td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">BLK</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+7</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+1</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-3</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-7</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">-10</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-3</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">15</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">25</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">30</td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">OAWR</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+7</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+2</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-10</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-16</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-20</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">-40</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-3</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">15</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">25</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">30</td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">DAWR</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+27</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+2</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-10</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-16</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-20</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">-10</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-2</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">3</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">6</td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">OREB</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+7</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+1</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-2</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-4</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">-10</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-2</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">5</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">10</td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">DREB</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+7</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+1</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-3</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-7</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">
                          </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">
                          </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">5</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">10</td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">STDNK</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-3</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-7</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">-10</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-3</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">10</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">20</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">30</td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">SEC</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+7</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+2</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-7</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-13</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-20</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">-10</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-2</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">5</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">10</td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">SOD</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+7</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+1</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-3</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-7</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">-10</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-3</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">5</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">10</td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">SIT</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+7</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+2</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                          </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-3</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-7</td></tr></tbody></table>
                          Or this way is easier! Lol! Nice breakdown!
                          Last edited by vannwolfhawk; 11-21-2013, 02:44 PM.
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                          • alabamarob
                            MVP
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 3352

                            #133
                            Re: Defensive Settings Completely Removed from Next-Gen.

                            Originally posted by JasonWilliams55
                            I'll do a few case examples of how its playing out.

                            But I wouldn't be surprised to see that the boosts are the same as the CG ones, if so then the chart below will still apply.


                            *************************************************

                            As posted here: JW55 HOF SET CG2K14


                            So just create your HUM sliders, then use the chart on the right side to add/subtract to get CPU sliders.



                            <table align="center" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="671"><tbody><tr style="height:18.75pt" height="25"><td style="height:18.75pt;width:46pt" height="25" width="61">
                            </td> <td colspan="3" class="xl66" style="width:138pt" width="183">RATINGS BOOSTED
                            </td> <td style="width:46pt" width="61">
                            </td> <td style="width:46pt" width="61">
                            </td> <td style="width:46pt" width="61">
                            </td> <td colspan="3" class="xl66" style="width:138pt" width="183">SLIDERS TO BALANCE</td> <td style="width:46pt" width="61">
                            </td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl67" style="height:15.0pt" height="20">ROOKIE</td> <td class="xl67"> PRO</td> <td class="xl67">AS</td> <td class="xl67">SS</td> <td class="xl67">HOF</td> <td class="xl65">
                            </td> <td class="xl67">ROOKIE</td> <td class="xl67"> PRO</td> <td class="xl67">AS</td> <td class="xl67">SS</td> <td class="xl67">HOF</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt" height="20">-10</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-left:none">-2</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-left:none">3</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-left:none">6</td> <td class="xl69" style="border-left:none">QUI</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-left:none">+7</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-left:none">+1</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-left:none">-2</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-left:none">-4</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">-10</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-2</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">3</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">6</td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">VRT</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+7</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+1</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-2</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-4</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">-10</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-2</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">5</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">8</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">12</td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">STR</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+7</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+1</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-3</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-5</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-8</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">
                            </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">STA</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">-10</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-2</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">3</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">6</td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">SPD</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+7</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+1</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-2</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-4</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">
                            </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">DUR</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">-10</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-2</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">3</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">6</td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">HUS</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+7</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+1</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-2</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-4</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">-10</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-2</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">5</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">8</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">12</td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">BH</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+7</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+1</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-3</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-5</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-8</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">-10</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-3</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">10</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">20</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">30</td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">HND</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+7</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+2</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-7</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-13</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-20</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">-10</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-2</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">5</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">10</td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">DNK</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+7</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+1</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-3</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-7</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">-10</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-2</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">5</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">8</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">12</td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">OBD</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+7</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+1</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-3</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-5</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-8</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">-10</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-2</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">5</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">10</td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">STL</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+7</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+1</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-3</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-7</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">-10</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-2</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">5</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">10</td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">BLK</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+7</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+1</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-3</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-7</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">-10</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-3</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">15</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">25</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">30</td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">OAWR</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+7</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+2</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-10</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-16</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-20</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">-40</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-3</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">15</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">25</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">30</td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">DAWR</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+27</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+2</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-10</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-16</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-20</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">-10</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-2</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">3</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">6</td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">OREB</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+7</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+1</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-2</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-4</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">-10</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-2</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">5</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">10</td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">DREB</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+7</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+1</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-3</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-7</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">
                            </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">
                            </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">5</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">10</td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">STDNK</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-3</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-7</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">-10</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-3</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">10</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">20</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">30</td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">SEC</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+7</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+2</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-7</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-13</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-20</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">-10</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-2</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">5</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">10</td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">SOD</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+7</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+1</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-3</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-7</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td class="xl68" style="height:15.0pt;border-top:none" height="20">-10</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-3</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">5</td> <td class="xl68" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">10</td> <td class="xl69" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">SIT</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+7</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">+2</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">
                            </td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-3</td> <td class="xl70" style="border-top:none;border-left:none">-7</td></tr></tbody></table>
                            The problem this year is user v. User online. Before there was no rating boost on user v. User. Now that the user has a rating boost good defenders are worthless. Plus you can't change sliders in an online game.
                            Psn: Alabamarob
                            Xbox: Alabama Rob

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                            Settings I play on.
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                            Difficulty: HOF
                            Online or Offline player: Both
                            In a MLO: Yes

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                            • vannwolfhawk
                              MVP
                              • Jun 2009
                              • 3412

                              #134
                              Re: Defensive Settings Completely Removed from Next-Gen.

                              Originally posted by alabamarob
                              The problem this year is user v. User online. Before there was no rating boost on user v. User. Now that the user has a rating boost good defenders are worthless. Plus you can't change sliders in an online game.
                              This is the great thing about having ability to use custom rosters in an online league (once it works). It doesn't help for play now obviously but it's a start. If they give commish back controls along with custom rosters next year we would have no problems here. It would be an easy fix. But as is now for online this year were kinda screwed...
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                              • JasonWilliams55
                                MVP
                                • Jul 2012
                                • 2045

                                #135
                                Re: Defensive Settings Completely Removed from Next-Gen.

                                Originally posted by alabamarob
                                The problem this year is user v. User online. Before there was no rating boost on user v. User. Now that the user has a rating boost good defenders are worthless. Plus you can't change sliders in an online game.
                                Yes online user v user w/ 2Ks stock simulation sliders will have the defensive boosts which is kinda... lame. Would this be an issue if the roster ratings by default were this high (in said categories)? Probably.
                                Last edited by JasonWilliams55; 11-21-2013, 03:03 PM.
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