Defensive Settings Completely Removed from Next-Gen.

[RangersCruz]

Re: Defensive Settings Completely Removed from Next-Gen.

Yes, I played a quick game against another OSers this morning, Clipps @ Nuggs (me) and the corner 3s were open all game, tried putting Main Defense POE on Limit Perimeter shots, but he would dribble drive from the same wing side and the man would always help leaving the corner man wide open.

Even when I switched it to key on that player (corner man was Crawford) he would still cheat off when CP3 came near.

It's annoying as hell

[Choops4Life]

Re: Defensive Settings Completely Removed from Next-Gen.

We're playing around at the office right now with Limit Perimeter Shots to see if something changed in the last few days to break help defense before the patch you guys have. Looking into it...

[The 24th Letter]

Re: Defensive Settings Completely Removed from Next-Gen.

We're playing around at the office right now with Limit Perimeter Shots to see if something changed in the last few days to break help defense before the patch you guys have. Looking into it...

Awesome man, TY..

[alabamarob]

Re: Defensive Settings Completely Removed from Next-Gen.

https://plus.google.com/104670954579165713194/videos

This link has 2 videos showing unnecessary sagging off a pick and roll when the defender is one pass away, thus allowing open threes in the corner.

The magic video is with poe set to limit perimeter shooters.

[Sundown]

Re: Defensive Settings Completely Removed from Next-Gen.

Well said Sundown. I wish I could answer all of your questions right now but damn I'd be on here for another hour or two and I got some big plans for 2K15 that I need to get hammered away by the end of the day. I really do hope to get you an insight. REALLY hope I do.[/I]

Thanks for reading, Zach. Totally understand. That took me over an hour to write up myself.

Did you have any thoughts on how workable it would be to have the OFF POE be renamed to something like "STICK TO GAMEPLAN" and for custom POE/Defensive Settings to become active when that POE is selected?

Basically I think what we're asking for is the ability to tweak POEs and set custom ones like we were able to with Quick D and Defensive Settings. It would be even more fun if we could save custom POEs!

Gah!! Still posting under the wrong profile.

2K needs to pay you more so you can stop shacking up at your cousin's and get your own place.

[cammy3399]

Re: Defensive Settings Completely Removed from Next-Gen.

We're playing around at the office right now with Limit Perimeter Shots to see if something changed in the last few days to break help defense before the patch you guys have. Looking into it...

Appreciate it man.

[serenitysoul]

Re: Defensive Settings Completely Removed from Next-Gen.

I've been lurking for a minute and I see a lot of whining. Get nice with the sticks and you will be able to play defense. Stop relying on the computer to cover up your defensive ineptitude. I play on the ball defense and if I see someone getting caught up on a pick or sagging way too far off then switch to them and get them right.

Quit reaching and play solid sound fundamental defense and you will get results. There's an old saying "you reach I teach". A lot of you like to try and pick up at 3/4 court trying to get steals and then wonder why CP3 is shredding you or why you can't stop the Knicks offense once they get rolling. Instead, quit trying to press and back your point guard up so you can set the defense and at least be in position to attempt to play defense.

In real life once the Knicks get going they are tough to stop. In real life CP3 is going to prod and manipulate until he gets the angle or he sees a defender make a mistake. It's CP3 that's why he's the best PG in the NBA.

On this game I've seen Omer Asik miss countless bunnies, then I turn on the TV and realize that Omer Asik misses bunnies in real life.

Also the defensive players you have on the team matter. No game plan in the world is going to outweigh talent. If your players are weak defensively expect problems following the game plan and in general getting stops no matter what. Yeah you can "key in" on Paul George but if Jamal Crawford is guarding him than that "plan" is not going to work.

Plus realize that you can't stop everything. Something has to give. You can't expect to "limit Rondo in the paint" AND "limit perimeter shots" because after all these are the best players in the world they are going to make plays. You can't lunge for steals and jump for blocks on every possession you're going to get killed out here.

A good defense is going to take away something...me personally I'm taking away the paint Detroit Pistons style (no dunks no layups). With stick work though the 3 is not wide open. It's open...but not wide *** open.

The game also gives you hints. I don't know how many times I've heard the announcer say "you gotta adjust on the fly". That means you don't have to wait until a timeout to change the game plan. If you come out of a timeout with "limit perimeter shots" and the cpu looks like they had "get to the basket" for a couple possesions then use the dpad and switch the defense.

Use your timeouts to stop runs (momentum matters), switch the matchups (which works wonders if you have the personnel), use your fouls. When playing on the road gamble less. Maybe using 6'1 Jeff Teague to guard 6'5 Grievis Vazquez isn't the ideal matchup.

There's really 18 pages about defensive settings sag off/play tight....REALLY????

How about quit trying to spam for VC trying to make your player a 99, buying clothes (really???) and actually put some work in learning HOW to play. Defense is hard and everybody can't play it and all you have to do is look to the real NBA for proof.

Defense is something you have to practice and you need to know your personnel.

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Defensive Settings Completely Removed from Next-Gen.

I've been lurking for a minute and I see a lot of whining. Get nice with the sticks and you will be able to play defense. Stop relying on the computer to cover up your defensive ineptitude. I play on the ball defense and if I see someone getting caught up on a pick or sagging way too far off then switch to them and get them right.

Quit reaching and play solid sound fundamental defense and you will get results. There's an old saying "you reach I teach". A lot of you like to try and pick up at 3/4 court trying to get steals and then wonder why CP3 is shredding you or why you can't stop the Knicks offense once they get rolling. Instead, quit trying to press and back your point guard up so you can set the defense and at least be in position to attempt to play defense.

In real life once the Knicks get going they are tough to stop. In real life CP3 is going to prod and manipulate until he gets the angle or he sees a defender make a mistake. It's CP3 that's why he's the best PG in the NBA.

On this game I've seen Omer Asik miss countless bunnies, then I turn on the TV and realize that Omer Asik misses bunnies in real life.

Also the defensive players you have on the team matter. No game plan in the world is going to outweigh talent. If your players are weak defensively expect problems following the game plan and in general getting stops no matter what. Yeah you can "key in" on Paul George but if Jamal Crawford is guarding him than that "plan" is not going to work.

Plus realize that you can't stop everything. Something has to give. You can't expect to "limit Rondo in the paint" AND "limit perimeter shots" because after all these are the best players in the world they are going to make plays. You can't lunge for steals and jump for blocks on every possession you're going to get killed out here.

A good defense is going to take away something...me personally I'm taking away the paint Detroit Pistons style (no dunks no layups). With stick work though the 3 is not wide open. It's open...but not wide *** open.

The game also gives you hints. I don't know how many times I've heard the announcer say "you gotta adjust on the fly". That means you don't have to wait until a timeout to change the game plan. If you come out of a timeout with "limit perimeter shots" and the cpu looks like they had "get to the basket" for a couple possesions then use the dpad and switch the defense.

Use your timeouts to stop runs (momentum matters), switch the matchups (which works wonders if you have the personnel), use your fouls. When playing on the road gamble less. Maybe using 6'1 Jeff Teague to guard 6'5 Grievis Vazquez isn't the ideal matchup.

There's really 18 pages about defensive settings sag off/play tight....REALLY????

How about quit trying to spam for VC trying to make your player a 99, buying clothes (really???) and actually put some work in learning HOW to play. Defense is hard and everybody can't play it and all you have to do is look to the real NBA for proof.

Defense is something you have to practice and you need to know your personnel.

Lol! Do you really think we are all rookies and don't know how to play defense in here? C'mon man! I was going to respond in depth to this, but it's not even worth it. You either are clearly missing the point of this thread or have not read thru it. Keep lurking...

[LionsFanNJ]

Re: Defensive Settings Completely Removed from Next-Gen.

I've been lurking for a minute and I see a lot of whining. Get nice with the sticks and you will be able to play defense. Stop relying on the computer to cover up your defensive ineptitude. I play on the ball defense and if I see someone getting caught up on a pick or sagging way too far off then switch to them and get them right.

Quit reaching and play solid sound fundamental defense and you will get results. There's an old saying "you reach I teach". A lot of you like to try and pick up at 3/4 court trying to get steals and then wonder why CP3 is shredding you or why you can't stop the Knicks offense once they get rolling. Instead, quit trying to press and back your point guard up so you can set the defense and at least be in position to attempt to play defense.

In real life once the Knicks get going they are tough to stop. In real life CP3 is going to prod and manipulate until he gets the angle or he sees a defender make a mistake. It's CP3 that's why he's the best PG in the NBA.

On this game I've seen Omer Asik miss countless bunnies, then I turn on the TV and realize that Omer Asik misses bunnies in real life.

Also the defensive players you have on the team matter. No game plan in the world is going to outweigh talent. If your players are weak defensively expect problems following the game plan and in general getting stops no matter what. Yeah you can "key in" on Paul George but if Jamal Crawford is guarding him than that "plan" is not going to work.

Plus realize that you can't stop everything. Something has to give. You can't expect to "limit Rondo in the paint" AND "limit perimeter shots" because after all these are the best players in the world they are going to make plays. You can't lunge for steals and jump for blocks on every possession you're going to get killed out here.

A good defense is going to take away something...me personally I'm taking away the paint Detroit Pistons style (no dunks no layups). With stick work though the 3 is not wide open. It's open...but not wide *** open.

The game also gives you hints. I don't know how many times I've heard the announcer say "you gotta adjust on the fly". That means you don't have to wait until a timeout to change the game plan. If you come out of a timeout with "limit perimeter shots" and the cpu looks like they had "get to the basket" for a couple possesions then use the dpad and switch the defense.

Use your timeouts to stop runs (momentum matters), switch the matchups (which works wonders if you have the personnel), use your fouls. When playing on the road gamble less. Maybe using 6'1 Jeff Teague to guard 6'5 Grievis Vazquez isn't the ideal matchup.

There's really 18 pages about defensive settings sag off/play tight....REALLY????

How about quit trying to spam for VC trying to make your player a 99, buying clothes (really???) and actually put some work in learning HOW to play. Defense is hard and everybody can't play it and all you have to do is look to the real NBA for proof.

Defense is something you have to practice and you need to know your personnel.

I can say with 100% confidence you have no idea what's going on and who's talking in here.

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[Optik]

Re: Defensive Settings Completely Removed from Next-Gen.

Ignorant, moronic drivel.

Get the **** out, and NEVER come back.

[Melbournelad]

Re: Defensive Settings Completely Removed from Next-Gen.

I've been lurking for a minute and I see a lot of whining. Get nice with the sticks and you will be able to play defense. Stop relying on the computer to cover up your defensive ineptitude. I play on the ball defense and if I see someone getting caught up on a pick or sagging way too far off then switch to them and get them right.

Quit reaching and play solid sound fundamental defense and you will get results. There's an old saying "you reach I teach". A lot of you like to try and pick up at 3/4 court trying to get steals and then wonder why CP3 is shredding you or why you can't stop the Knicks offense once they get rolling. Instead, quit trying to press and back your point guard up so you can set the defense and at least be in position to attempt to play defense.

In real life once the Knicks get going they are tough to stop. In real life CP3 is going to prod and manipulate until he gets the angle or he sees a defender make a mistake. It's CP3 that's why he's the best PG in the NBA.

On this game I've seen Omer Asik miss countless bunnies, then I turn on the TV and realize that Omer Asik misses bunnies in real life.

Also the defensive players you have on the team matter. No game plan in the world is going to outweigh talent. If your players are weak defensively expect problems following the game plan and in general getting stops no matter what. Yeah you can "key in" on Paul George but if Jamal Crawford is guarding him than that "plan" is not going to work.

Plus realize that you can't stop everything. Something has to give. You can't expect to "limit Rondo in the paint" AND "limit perimeter shots" because after all these are the best players in the world they are going to make plays. You can't lunge for steals and jump for blocks on every possession you're going to get killed out here.

A good defense is going to take away something...me personally I'm taking away the paint Detroit Pistons style (no dunks no layups). With stick work though the 3 is not wide open. It's open...but not wide *** open.

The game also gives you hints. I don't know how many times I've heard the announcer say "you gotta adjust on the fly". That means you don't have to wait until a timeout to change the game plan. If you come out of a timeout with "limit perimeter shots" and the cpu looks like they had "get to the basket" for a couple possesions then use the dpad and switch the defense.

Use your timeouts to stop runs (momentum matters), switch the matchups (which works wonders if you have the personnel), use your fouls. When playing on the road gamble less. Maybe using 6'1 Jeff Teague to guard 6'5 Grievis Vazquez isn't the ideal matchup.

There's really 18 pages about defensive settings sag off/play tight....REALLY????

How about quit trying to spam for VC trying to make your player a 99, buying clothes (really???) and actually put some work in learning HOW to play. Defense is hard and everybody can't play it and all you have to do is look to the real NBA for proof.

Defense is something you have to practice and you need to know your personnel.

Have you even read through the whole thread? Sure seems like you haven't for you to make such an idiotic statement.

[bamalam]

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Having mentioned my displeasure for the off-court direction of NG 2k, I do think the on court game is enjoyable.

With POA, it is interesting, and could work I guess, however, as is, I have to agree, it is less desirable than the individualized defensive strategy.

It seem to me that there is too much CPU success when adjusting strategy to a change in my settings.

If I am set to (as an example) "nothing inside" emphasis:


it shouldnt mean there is no defense on perimeter players at all. While they dont score inside much,CPU teams light me up from perimeter, to the point of rediculousness. My players are no where near the CPU perimeter guys.
So, experimenting I change the setting, and then CPU teams become unstoppable in the paint, as if my defensive player ratings dont matter,

All of a sudden, every CPU player drives to the hoop and scores, every big is Olajuwon, etc. Even if I emphasize guard the perimeter, by bigs should not lose all defensive ability if they are still in the paint, challenging an inside shot.

As another example "crash defensive boards" while on, I will control the boards, and hold CPU team to minimal offensive boards, but when I switch POA, all of a sudden CPU becomes rodman/love/howard rebounding machines on the offensive glass, getting multiple rebounds on same possession.

Its not like all my players have taken off down the court, they are standing right there, and cant get a rebound to save their lives.


I hope 2k continues to look at this and tone down CPU abilities as they "react" to the defense being played by human team.

CPU should adjust its strategy, but success with which it does needs to be looked at, IMO

[cardinalbird5]

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So can someone elaborate clearly how PoE works and explain it in depth? I like the idea of it, but I still think we should have individual assignments and coach profiles.

What if I put Limit Perimeter shots as my defensive PoE and Nothing inside as my Flex....how does that work??

Does using something like Pick and Roll offense give my players an attribute boosts when running Pick and Rolls? Does it help with spacing or awareness?

What about Shoot often? Do my guys stay consistent regardless if they are "volume shooting"?

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Defensive Settings Completely Removed from Next-Gen.

So can someone elaborate clearly how PoE works and explain it in depth? I like the idea of it, but I still think we should have individual assignments and coach profiles.

What if I put Limit Perimeter shots as my defensive PoE and Nothing inside as my Flex....how does that work??

Does using something like Pick and Roll offense give my players an attribute boosts when running Pick and Rolls? Does it help with spacing or awareness?

What about Shoot often? Do my guys stay consistent regardless if they are "volume shooting"?

Zach is hoping to get an insight together to share the details "under the hood" with us. I agree and would like to find a way for them to co exist.

As far as the limit perimeter and flex as nothing inside you can't have the 2 together as they would cancel each other out. Apparently it's greyed out and won't give you the option to use the flex if you chose 1 of them as your POE.

I would also like to know how using a offensive POE like PNR would work for a user.

[jaateloauto]

Re: Defensive Settings Completely Removed from Next-Gen.

600 word essay

If you need to go somewhere and lecture fundamentals to noobs, go do that. You're in the wrong thread.

Also, please give us back the defensive settings, you seem to have them still running under the hood. Why not let us use them?