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  • RocketTMac1
    MVP
    • Sep 2006
    • 1864

    #151
    Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

    At the very least please bring back 30 team control for MyGM. It solves all the problems in terms of cpu trade logic and accurate rotations.
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    • FloorGeneral
      Pro
      • Mar 2004
      • 567

      #152
      Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

      lol, so we have the truth out in the open finally: they actually WANT (and are TRYING) to take control away from us. Awesome. And here I was being flamed to death for not being all giddy when MyGM details were fully announced. Man I should go find that thread and bump it.

      Thank you for the honesty though (and I mean that. I'm pretty sure that the Devs that post on forums have been coached to speak in generalities and half-truths. We like honesty.). Barring a return of good ole fashioned Association Mode, you have saved me atleast $60 in future purchases.

      I hope you guys can find away incorporate the option to turn Player Roles off for this year (and I know you said it's hard because you're messing with menus and such). If not, MyGM will probably be unplayable, and that means 2K14 just turned into a coaster for me. What a shame.

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      • davez
        Rookie
        • Jul 2002
        • 248

        #153
        Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

        Originally posted by FloorGeneral
        lol, so we have the truth out in the open finally: they actually WANT (and are TRYING) to take control away from us. Awesome. And here I was being flamed to death for not being all giddy when MyGM details were fully announced. Man I should go find that thread and bump it.

        Thank you for the honesty though (and I mean that. I'm pretty sure that the Devs that post on forums have been coached to speak in generalities and half-truths. We like honesty.). Barring a return of good ole fashioned Association Mode, you have saved me atleast $60 in future purchases.

        I hope you guys can find away incorporate the option to turn Player Roles off for this year (and I know you said it's hard because you're messing with menus and such). If not, MyGM will probably be unplayable, and that means 2K14 just turned into a coaster for me. What a shame.
        Just to be clear, some of the issues talked about were taken away for design reasons, such as the option of turning off the impact of player roles, while others may have been as the result of time constraints. Most of the game was re-done from scratch and I want to make sure my statement about roles doesn't confuse anyone about other issues.

        And, thanks, I will always try to be as honest and forthcoming as I can whenever I post here -- until I get in trouble and this becomes read-only for me.

        And as said earlier, the option isn't likely for any patch, but I do feel the tweaks we're making will improve it a lot. I've been simulating a lot of the cases that people have been complaining about and the players that were getting mad for unrealistic reasons aren't any more.
        Dave Zdyrko
        NBA 2K MyLEAGUE/MyGM/MyCAREER Producer & Designer
        Visual Concepts Entertainment / 2K Sports
        Novato, CA, USA

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        • LorenzoDC
          MVP
          • Sep 2010
          • 1857

          #154
          Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

          Originally posted by davez
          Just to be clear, some of the issues talked about were taken away for design reasons, such as the option of turning off the impact of player roles, while others may have been as the result of time constraints. Most of the game was re-done from scratch and I want to make sure my statement about roles doesn't confuse anyone about other issues.

          And, thanks, I will always try to be as honest and forthcoming as I can whenever I post here -- until I get in trouble and this becomes read-only for me.

          And as said earlier, the option isn't likely for any patch, but I do feel the tweaks we're making will improve it a lot. I've been simulating a lot of the cases that people have been complaining about and the players that were getting mad for unrealistic reasons aren't any more.
          Understood. As I'm the one who posted the comment that made a few assumptions about centralized control from 2k, I appreciate the follow up comment.

          We're in the dark here, obviously, but my other point still holds. We can all see the trends in the gaming industry, and we see 2k purposefully reducing at least some customer gameplay control. So my other point to emphasize is:

          The problem is, as with any such business shift, removing user control and customization creates a lot of problems and backlash. I hope 2k finds the right balance, and works with its customers to maximize the amount of customization and minimize the amount of obnoxious toll booth gouging in the way microtransactions are implemented.
          I tried to offer some suggestion as to how this might be done, and others will have better ones, I'm sure. I just hope 2k doesn't do what Valve, who is already ahead on the subscription cloud gaming model, mostly avoids doing: alienating game players by designing games without core player input and creativity.

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          • BobbyColtrane
            Just some dude...
            • Sep 2007
            • 2284

            #155
            Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

            Originally posted by davez
            Just to be clear, some of the issues talked about were taken away for design reasons, such as the option of turning off the impact of player roles, while others may have been as the result of time constraints. Most of the game was re-done from scratch and I want to make sure my statement about roles doesn't confuse anyone about other issues.

            And, thanks, I will always try to be as honest and forthcoming as I can whenever I post here -- until I get in trouble and this becomes read-only for me.

            And as said earlier, the option isn't likely for any patch, but I do feel the tweaks we're making will improve it a lot. I've been simulating a lot of the cases that people have been complaining about and the players that were getting mad for unrealistic reasons aren't any more.
            Thanks for getting the patch out quickly and thank you for all your work on an amazing game.

            Hopefully these tweaks make the MyGM mode more realistic and we can all enjoy it going forward!
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            • davez
              Rookie
              • Jul 2002
              • 248

              #156
              Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

              Originally posted by LorenzoDC
              Understood. As I'm the one who posted the comment that made a few assumptions about centralized control from 2k, I appreciate the follow up comment.

              We're in the dark here, obviously, but my other point still holds. We can all see the trends in the gaming industry, and we see 2k purposefully reducing at least some customer gameplay control. So my other point to emphasize is:



              I tried to offer some suggestion as to how this might be done, and others will have better ones, I'm sure. I just hope 2k doesn't do what Valve, who is already ahead on the subscription cloud gaming model, mostly avoids doing: alienating game players by designing games without core player input and creativity.
              As I'm sure you and the others understand, I can't really get into any specifics about what we're planning for 2K15. That said, we do understand that customization is very important to people and it wouldn't be smart to ignore that. What that means for MyGM or Season Mode is yet to be determined.
              Dave Zdyrko
              NBA 2K MyLEAGUE/MyGM/MyCAREER Producer & Designer
              Visual Concepts Entertainment / 2K Sports
              Novato, CA, USA

              Official MyGM / MyLEAGUE / MLO 2K19 Wish List

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              • sfx
                Rookie
                • Dec 2011
                • 131

                #157
                Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

                Originally posted by davez
                As I'm sure you and the others understand, I can't really get into any specifics about what we're planning for 2K15. That said, we do understand that customization is very important to people and it wouldn't be smart to ignore that. What that means for MyGM or Season Mode is yet to be determined.
                This is good to hear and, for what it's worth, customization and control are paramount for any gaming experience. For two completely different kinds of gamers.

                1. Customization encourages community building. You see it here all the time. The roster editors, the graphics guys. People of like minds will seek each other and their gaming experience will be far more enjoyable.

                2. Customization also allows for solitary gamers, like myself, to create their own diversionary world. ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE ALERT: I play sports games because I'm a terrible athlete who loves sports. I live vicariously through the games the way I always fantasized about as a kid. I, personally, like the role playing elements but I also want some control over my own destiny. I don't want to play the game the way everyone else does. I want my own personal experience and the removal of these options, plus the near insistence that we have to be online is killing me. I don't want to play with other people. I don't want other people seeing what I'm doing. This game is allowing me to put my childhood fantasies on my own television screen.

                The only "fixed" aspect of the games should be the game on the court. Because basketball is basketball for all of us. And even then, if somebody wants to play with 12 foot rims, I say let them do it. The more custom the gaming experience, the personal and the more enjoyable.

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                • davez
                  Rookie
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 248

                  #158
                  Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

                  Originally posted by sfx
                  This is good to hear and, for what it's worth, customization and control are paramount for any gaming experience. For two completely different kinds of gamers.

                  1. Customization encourages community building. You see it here all the time. The roster editors, the graphics guys. People of like minds will seek each other and their gaming experience will be far more enjoyable.

                  2. Customization also allows for solitary gamers, like myself, to create their own diversionary world. ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE ALERT: I play sports games because I'm a terrible athlete who loves sports. I live vicariously through the games the way I always fantasized about as a kid. I, personally, like the role playing elements but I also want some control over my own destiny. I don't want to play the game the way everyone else does. I want my own personal experience and the removal of these options, plus the near insistence that we have to be online is killing me. I don't want to play with other people. I don't want other people seeing what I'm doing. This game is allowing me to put my childhood fantasies on my own television screen.

                  The only "fixed" aspect of the games should be the game on the court. Because basketball is basketball for all of us. And even then, if somebody wants to play with 12 foot rims, I say let them do it. The more custom the gaming experience, the personal and the more enjoyable.
                  I definitely get it. When I play, I always like to put myself in the game -- albeit a more athletically-built version of me, of course!
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                  NBA 2K MyLEAGUE/MyGM/MyCAREER Producer & Designer
                  Visual Concepts Entertainment / 2K Sports
                  Novato, CA, USA

                  Official MyGM / MyLEAGUE / MLO 2K19 Wish List

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                  • RED BULL
                    Banned
                    • Oct 2011
                    • 354

                    #159
                    Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

                    Originally posted by davez
                    I definitely get it. When I play, I always like to put myself in the game -- albeit a more athletically-built version of me, of course!
                    Looks a bit thin for 400 pounds, but he's dominant

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                    • denmarkVesey
                      Rookie
                      • Nov 2013
                      • 37

                      #160
                      Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

                      Originally posted by RocketTMac1
                      At the very least please bring back 30 team control for MyGM. It solves all the problems in terms of cpu trade logic and accurate rotations.
                      This would be great.

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                      • LorenzoDC
                        MVP
                        • Sep 2010
                        • 1857

                        #161
                        Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

                        Originally posted by davez
                        As I'm sure you and the others understand, I can't really get into any specifics about what we're planning for 2K15. That said, we do understand that customization is very important to people and it wouldn't be smart to ignore that. What that means for MyGM or Season Mode is yet to be determined.
                        Yep, I completely understand you can't get into specifics. Thanks for offering as much as you have said already, and thanks for your comment about the importance of customization.

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                        • SuperNova854
                          Pro
                          • May 2007
                          • 773

                          #162
                          Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

                          I've noticed some things throughout several sims. Usually teams don't make trades unless a player is hurt (even if the player can still play). Let's look at the Heat for example. After week 2, Chalmers went out with an injury for a month. A day after he got injured, the Heat traded for Isiah Thomas. Then, Norris Cole got injured and they traded for Jarrett Jack. Also when Deaun Blair got injured, the Mavs traded Vince Carter to the Hawks for Elton Brand. Then, now not having a real backup SF, they traded for Harrison Barnes (for I forgot who). I also noticed teams will make trades if they don't have a legitimate backup for a position. So I feel teams aren't just making blind trades, there is some purpose. But with my run through that purpose is every time someone gets injured.

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                          • quehouston
                            Cheeseproof.com
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 723

                            #163
                            Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

                            Originally posted by SuperNova854
                            I've noticed some things throughout several sims. Usually teams don't make trades unless a player is hurt (even if the player can still play). Let's look at the Heat for example. After week 2, Chalmers went out with an injury for a month. A day after he got injured, the Heat traded for Isiah Thomas. Then, Norris Cole got injured and they traded for Jarrett Jack. Also when Deaun Blair got injured, the Mavs traded Vince Carter to the Hawks for Elton Brand. Then, now not having a real backup SF, they traded for Harrison Barnes (for I forgot who). I also noticed teams will make trades if they don't have a legitimate backup for a position. So I feel teams aren't just making blind trades, there is some purpose. But with my run through that purpose is every time someone gets injured.
                            Well if that is indeed the case, then injuries need to be toned down. Still way too many trades happening.
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                            • RED BULL
                              Banned
                              • Oct 2011
                              • 354

                              #164
                              Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

                              Originally posted by quehouston
                              Well if that is indeed the case, then injuries need to be toned down. Still way too many trades happening.
                              Yup, let's see if they actually fix it

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                              • SuperNova854
                                Pro
                                • May 2007
                                • 773

                                #165
                                Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

                                I don't think it's that injuries need to be toned down, I think it's more the fact that when an injury occur, (even if it's as mild as a ankle sprain and the player is listed as day-to-day)that team's feel they need to make a roster move to make up for that missing player. Then once they make that move they need to then replace the player they just replaced ala the Mavs trading for another SF in Harrison Barnes after trading Carter for Brand to replace the injured Blair at backup PF.

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