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  • Gosens6
    All Star
    • Oct 2007
    • 6100

    #46
    Re: Next Gen CPU Cheese/Cheating Is Amazing!

    Originally posted by WTF
    And... More cheese/cheating.

    Rebounding Issue:



    McLemore CLEARLY had the ball in his hands. 4 Sacramento Kings right there, yet somehow the Manimal comes away with the rebound, OUT OF McLemore's hands.



    On this one, I was set to Play Conservative on Defense, also to No Shots Inside. For whatever reason, Cousins is bodying McGee up near the 3 pt line, the game moves Cousins out of the way, run the other way as McGee goes to the hoop for the alley oop. The game then decides to collapse all defense (good move), only to have one of my defenders run out towards the 3 pt line when the alleyoop is in the air.

    This is the type of stuff that's ridiculous to me.



    The Nuggets are on one of their "runs" where you know that the game is going to make them score. Andre Miller catches the ball in the circle, goes up, gets rejected by Thompson AS SOON AS THE BALL Leaves his hands.... Goal tending. Apparently if they're destined to score... they're just destined to score.



    The manchild, JJ Hickson.
    The alley oops and offensive rebounding are out of control, my two biggest issues with the game right now.

    When the CPU wants an alley oop, it doesn't matter if there's a player in front of the receiving party, they'll slide out of the way and just get dunked on every single time.

    In reality, there's no way in hell guys should just get bodied out of the way like that, or JUST STAND THERE and allow the alley oop pass right in front of there face.

    This goes back to the CPU always wanting to get into the paint no matter what, and mostly getting it due to laser accurate zip passes, no matter what type of defense, or how many defenders are playing the correct position. It's filthy.

    The rebounding speaks for itself, nothing else needs to be said. If these issues were resolved, we would solve a lot of the points in the paint issues as well.

    I feel like cheating is the only way the CPU can realistically beat you or even keep the game close. Without these blatant cheats, every game would be a blowout in the human favor.

    I was certain that with a new console, with better processing power and performance we would finally see AI that didn't need to cheat just to stay in it, I was very wrong.

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    • Heroesandvillains
      MVP
      • May 2009
      • 5974

      #47
      Re: Next Gen CPU Cheese/Cheating Is Amazing!

      Originally posted by Heroesandvillains
      Are you guys saying there are no blowouts on this game? Ever?

      Or just in certain games?
      I think this is a reasonable question.

      If a CPU cheat code or comeback AI is programmed, surely there wouldn't be blowouts.

      Does anyone care post some final scores?

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      • Gosens6
        All Star
        • Oct 2007
        • 6100

        #48
        Re: Next Gen CPU Cheese/Cheating Is Amazing!

        Originally posted by Heroesandvillains
        I think this is a reasonable question.

        If a CPU cheat code or comeback AI is programmed, surely there wouldn't be blowouts.

        Does anyone care post some complete final scores?
        Iv'e had a ton of blowouts, usually against weaker teams, blowouts aren't the problem at all, it's the way the CPU cheeses to get their points.

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        • WTF
          MVP
          • Aug 2002
          • 20274

          #49
          Re: Next Gen CPU Cheese/Cheating Is Amazing!



          When Nate wants buckets, Nate gets buckets.

          First, if a dribble through traffic, the ball gets knocked to the floor almost constantly. That's fine. But when the ball goes THROUGH both of my legs and hits my feet, and he continues his dribble morphing through me, I get aggravated. This is another time that the computer felt compelled to score.

          It goes as far to force me out of position and standing out of bounds in order to allow Nate enough room to score. It also positions Patterson just far enough out of reach to help.

          Also, for those of you wondering, lost the game by 8. Same as I lost the SAME game on the past 5 times I've played it. And I've held the lead prior to these "things" happening. Someone my defense turns into mindless drones who constantly get lost nowhere near the play.

          Just for giggles, this last game, once the "run" started in the 4th, I turned it down to Rookie, just to see if that would have any implication on the playout of the game. Needless to say, it didn't. It continued, regardless of skill level. I guess I'll just play one off games instead.
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          • Gosens6
            All Star
            • Oct 2007
            • 6100

            #50
            Re: Next Gen CPU Cheese/Cheating Is Amazing!

            Originally posted by WTF
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            When Nate wants buckets, Nate gets buckets.

            First, if a dribble through traffic, the ball gets knocked to the floor almost constantly. That's fine. But when the ball goes THROUGH both of my legs and hits my feet, and he continues his dribble morphing through me, I get aggravated. This is another time that the computer felt compelled to score.

            It goes as far to force me out of position and standing out of bounds in order to allow Nate enough room to score. It also positions Patterson just far enough out of reach to help.

            Also, for those of you wondering, lost the game by 8. Same as I lost the SAME game on the past 5 times I've played it. And I've held the lead prior to these "things" happening. Someone my defense turns into mindless drones who constantly get lost nowhere near the play.

            Just for giggles, this last game, once the "run" started in the 4th, I turned it down to Rookie, just to see if that would have any implication on the playout of the game. Needless to say, it didn't. It continued, regardless of skill level. I guess I'll just play one off games instead.
            So basically what you're saying is, even outside of MyCareer we get scripted games?

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            • WTF
              MVP
              • Aug 2002
              • 20274

              #51
              Re: Next Gen CPU Cheese/Cheating Is Amazing!

              Well, that's MyGM. I just quit the same game in the last few seconds, and restarted it to see if it'd play out the same.

              Regular Quick Games feel fine. No issues. But MyGM is definitely scripted. All of those videos came from 1 game of MyGM.
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              • Gosens6
                All Star
                • Oct 2007
                • 6100

                #52
                Re: Next Gen CPU Cheese/Cheating Is Amazing!

                Originally posted by WTF
                Well, that's MyGM. I just quit the same game in the last few seconds, and restarted it to see if it'd play out the same.

                Regular Quick Games feel fine. No issues. But MyGM is definitely scripted. All of those videos came from 1 game of MyGM.
                Damn, yeah that's what I was afraid of. Some games in MyCareer are blatantly scripted, I was hoping that wouldn't carry over to any other parts of the game. Looks like it does.

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                • hawley088
                  Rookie
                  • Apr 2010
                  • 430

                  #53
                  Re: Next Gen CPU Cheese/Cheating Is Amazing!

                  Ive just been playing on the default Pro/Sim sliders and experience everything that has been mentioned. ive just played 2 games where I adjusted the sliders in the parts that are giving me problems. I lowered them all by 5. (CPU rebounding, on ball defense, etc) and I also upped the User speed and quickness by 3, I was sick of getting chased down by the center while using a speedy PG, this seems to play a little more realistic. I also lowered all CPU alley oop sliders to 20, and in 2 games I have seen one attempt and it failed. Thats a lot better than the 6 per game that would happen earlier.

                  So try that, lower what its giving you problems by 5, give yourself a point or 2 advantage in speed and quickness, and see how that goes and adjust accordingly. I think after the patch the default sliders dont play the same way and need to be adjusted

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                  • ZoneBlitz
                    MVP
                    • Jun 2003
                    • 1402

                    #54
                    Re: Next Gen CPU Cheese/Cheating Is Amazing!

                    Originally posted by eF 5ive
                    Because you didn't lead pass into the paint. And you taking the straight lane instead of breaking it wider, you should've just euro stepped left and drew the foul since you had him back pedaling anyways.

                    Idk how you passed though, not saying it's your fault but looked like you just passed without leading, just tapped the button.
                    I disagree. That situation is basic basketball sense. Of course the other player should move towards the paint. There is nothing special about that. Why move out for a high risk shot when the paint is wide open? The teammate should have went towards the paint.

                    As someone said earlier, we hoped that with more CPU power and a new engine 2k would not have to resort to plain old CPU cheating/cheesing to win. This drastically erodes the game's fun factor. I want to feel good after a loss. It will be far more fun if the computer beats me by playing better basketball, and not by cheating. I want to get beat by a computer that simply out-coached me, played smart ball, exposed the weaknesses of my players or even realistically getting outmuscled in the paint.

                    At this point, when I lose a game, I feel cheated. This needs to be fixed.
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                    • eF 5ive
                      MVP
                      • May 2011
                      • 2068

                      #55
                      Re: Next Gen CPU Cheese/Cheating Is Amazing!

                      What's to disagree? The ai in 2k has never been perfect, lead pass and the guy is certain to move towards the paint. The players move towards the ball so when he didn't lead pass him the trajectory (don't know if that's what you'd consider it) had him push out further than he actually should have.

                      The point is 2k is what it is. The game has never ever ever been perfect but this year out of the box on next gen it's a lot cleaner and hearing about CPU points in paint and the CPU cheating is absurd.

                      People are making claims and continuing to complain when they're playing offline and can easily adjust the difficulty or sliders.

                      Playing on HOF with no adjustments to tendencies I just beat the hawks 102-89, held them to 37% shooting, 34 points in paint, 10 third quarter points where I held them for a 15% 4/27 shooting.

                      Obviously the CPU is going to make runs at times where they hit everything. So do we. It's momentum, at times it may be extreme but let's be real about the situation. The game, for offline, gives you all the tools you need. Whether it be consistency, gather and release difficulty, awareness, speed, etc.
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                      • eF 5ive
                        MVP
                        • May 2011
                        • 2068

                        #56
                        Re: Next Gen CPU Cheese/Cheating Is Amazing!

                        And the moment in the second half you notice the CPU is making that run, all you need to do is call a time out, feed the ball through your star player, try to draw the foul to slow the game down and adjust your POE to limit transition. Bam. Hope this helps some of you guys out having troubles.
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                        • hawley088
                          Rookie
                          • Apr 2010
                          • 430

                          #57
                          Re: Next Gen CPU Cheese/Cheating Is Amazing!

                          Originally posted by eF 5ive
                          And the moment in the second half you notice the CPU is making that run, all you need to do is call a time out, feed the ball through your star player, try to draw the foul to slow the game down and adjust your POE to limit transition. Bam. Hope this helps some of you guys out having troubles.
                          I try this and end up trying to make a simple pass that flys out of bounds or miss wide open layups from right under the basket

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                          • Kaanyr Vhok
                            MVP
                            • Aug 2006
                            • 2248

                            #58
                            Re: Next Gen CPU Cheese/Cheating Is Amazing!

                            Originally posted by hawley088
                            Not true at all, I was just playing pro default and I couldn't even get by a backup center with Russell Westbrook on a fastbreak, just bounced off of him. And all of the above happens as described on pro default
                            Sounds like user error. Westbrook vs a big isnt an instant blow by. In most switches of that sort the big man will back off and concede a shot.

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                            • Smirkin Dirk
                              All Star
                              • Oct 2008
                              • 5179

                              #59
                              Re: Next Gen CPU Cheese/Cheating Is Amazing!

                              Originally posted by Kaanyr Vhok
                              Sounds like user error. Westbrook vs a big isnt an instant blow by. In most switches of that sort the big man will back off and concede a shot.
                              Agreed, but the poster said it was a fastbreak. Westbrook goes by nearly all guards, let alone centers
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                              • RangersCruz
                                MVP
                                • May 2012
                                • 3275

                                #60
                                Re: Next Gen CPU Cheese/Cheating Is Amazing!

                                Originally posted by WTF
                                Well, that's MyGM. I just quit the same game in the last few seconds, and restarted it to see if it'd play out the same.

                                Regular Quick Games feel fine. No issues. But MyGM is definitely scripted. All of those videos came from 1 game of MyGM.
                                MyGm is as well?? wow 2k

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