NBA2K15 @ E3

[JPBeBeast]

Re: NBA2K15 @ E3

Well, at least we'll probably get some small screen shots mid-July and a full reveal at Gamescom in August.

[SPRINGS03]

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This is kind of what I don't understand, at least to the degree that those that are more vocal on the board have taken it. For all the goodwill 2K supposedly brought with years of everything-including-the-kitchen sink game releases, according to some it was all undone in some people's eyes with this next gen release. A system launch game that released on the heels of a fully efforted last gen release - a game which most people seem satisfied with. And a game that got kudos for it's gameplay - which OS used to say was the most cherished aspect of a game - but that gets tossed aside mostly because of what it lacked in features and it's VC implementation.

Eh, i disagree. The gameplay has always had potential to be simply amazing, and at times can play BEAUTIFULLY(I have replays of things like this too). BUT, it's been plauged by plenty of legacy issues that don't seem to ever be addressed. And a lot of people have said that actually. The gameplay often feels like it's running in place.

You have issues that have been in the game literally since 2k9(rebounding, passing, awareness, defense, teammate ai stupidity)

Look at this, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPS29BWHLlE and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82Z2LLBx6PI Also this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAQK_oE9g5A rebounding problems in 2k9. stuff like this happens in 2k14(next gen and current) still all the time. Players are left wide open for no reason. And your teammates lack awareness. Rebounding is also still really bad because of terrible stiff/canned animations. And this is from 2k9. I think that's kind of ridiculous.

Frankly i don't really care about vc as much as others, i understand why people hate it(microtransactions usually suck) however they don't effect me as much, and frankly if i felt like they actually improved game and fixed or greatly improved at least some of these legacy issues, i would be happy.

And 2k14 on current gen wasn't all that, gameplay wise. They fixed the issue of unblockable dunks(which should never have been a problem in the first place) but the gameplay is really the same, although not as smooth as it is on next gen, and players don't feel like they have as much weight as they do on next gen.

I think it's fair to get kind of annoyed when after repeatedly saying how certain aspects of the game need to be improved or fixed, they aren't addressed at all, for 5 years. I could see people gradually getting more annoyed over time. Hell, years ago i used to be a day one buy guy, no matter what. But around 2k12 i started questioning them, and started buying used.

[spankdatazz22]

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The gameplay often feels like it's running in place.And 2k14 on current gen wasn't all that, gameplay wise. They fixed the issue of unblockable dunks(which should never have been a problem in the first place) but the gameplay is really the same, although not as smooth as it is on next gen, and players don't feel like they have as much weight as they do on next gen.

We can just agree to disagree then. The videos you posted are from 2K9; if you want to show where the game still does that on default settings today be my guest. In my personal experience with NBA2K, I've gone from having to tweak the rebounding sliders in earlier versions to not having to touch the rebounding sliders the past two iterations. I'm sure some issues are also dependent on the level someone plays versus their skill level also.

Still, trying to say the gameplay hasn't changed much is silly imo. I remember a years where fast breaks where near non-existent and as they improved them you'd still have people claiming they didn't exist. Czar himself did a whole video series on how 2K improved plays from 2K11 to 2K12 and you still had people trying to refute it - even with visual evidence to the contrary. As far as unblockable dunks go, you can say the issue never should've existed in the first place, but who thinks to play the way some of these people choose to play online? It was mainly an online issue. Which they corrected the next year. So not sure what to say except unlike other sports videogame genres there's a legitimate purchasing option, so it's good to have choices.

[El_Poopador]

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We can just agree to disagree then. The videos you posted are from 2K9; if you want to show where the game still does that on default settings today be my guest. In my personal experience with NBA2K, I've gone from having to tweak the rebounding sliders in earlier versions to not having to touch the rebounding sliders the past two iterations. I'm sure some issues are also dependent on the level someone plays versus their skill level also.

Still, trying to say the gameplay hasn't changed much is silly imo. I remember a years where fast breaks where near non-existent and as they improved them you'd still have people claiming they didn't exist. Czar himself did a whole video series on how 2K improved plays from 2K11 to 2K12 and you still had people trying to refute it - even with visual evidence to the contrary. As far as unblockable dunks go, you can say the issue never should've existed in the first place, but who thinks to play the way some of these people choose to play online? It was mainly an online issue. Which they corrected the next year. So not sure what to say except unlike other sports videogame genres there's a legitimate purchasing option, so it's good to have choices.

There are still a ton of legacy issues, including those shown in those three clips from 2k9. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s0jFxjm4RA shows a major issue with rebounding. Granted, this is lessened if the player is under 7 feet, but it's still a major issue. The defensive lapses still happen all the time. If I thought it would actually make a difference, I would record the multitude of AI issues I see every game. But I've gone that route before, and seen the same issues pointed out by others year after year, and they are never addressed.

Even the fast breaks aren't done that well. Yes, there are absolutely more fast breaks than there used to be. But the lack of player speed differentials combined with the overabundance of contact animations and the psychic defense makes them nothing like what we actually see in the NBA.

[PJBrownHeat]

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To defend a little bit 2k9 just watch my video.

http://youtu.be/3mYCemzvomI

I know this game was very difficult. But i prefere this kind of difficulty compare to 2k10.
I knew excatly how to do to win in superstar. In my season i could do excatly like the reality, i modified each injured player of the team i will play against. So it was a little more easy and after i learnt to win a game with my bench, and how to make a three point shot with Pierce, Allen, or House.
During one year i didn't know how to play, dribble etc after it was really good!!

I remind no autosave, and real maker to make a replay.

Watch now this video for the celtics 2009 2010, no difference with my video.

http://youtu.be/nAPAUWp-j5A

Just in my video i didn't take the time to save replay with 3pts of allen Pierce because i really discovered how to make a 3 pt with them. It is a shame, my video could be really better.

[WaddupCouzin]

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Spank:

Don't do it to yourself! You just have to agree to disagree with most of these guys on here. They're not going to concede any point, but continue their doom and gloom campaigns. If I felt this bad about a game, and complained this hard about a game, I would no longer play that game! If I no longer play the game, why am I on the board complaining about it? So if I'm still complaining about a game that I don't play, and don't buy, and don't care about, there's no need to come on the board to trash it ad nauseum!

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[El_Poopador]

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Spank:

Don't do it to yourself! You just have to agree to disagree with most of these guys on here. They're not going to concede any point, but continue their doom and gloom campaigns. If I felt this bad about a game, and complained this hard about a game, I would no longer play that game! If I no longer play the game, why am I on the board complaining about it? So if I'm still complaining about a game that I don't play, and don't buy, and don't care about, there's no need to come on the board to trash it ad nauseum!

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We complain to try and get things fixed/addressed. If no one talks about the flaws, how will they get noticed?

[SPRINGS03]

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Spank:

Don't do it to yourself! You just have to agree to disagree with most of these guys on here. They're not going to concede any point, but continue their doom and gloom campaigns. If I felt this bad about a game, and complained this hard about a game, I would no longer play that game! If I no longer play the game, why am I on the board complaining about it? So if I'm still complaining about a game that I don't play, and don't buy, and don't care about, there's no need to come on the board to trash it ad nauseum! Sent from my SGH-T889 using Tapatalk

Yeah how dare anyone voice their opinion or critique a sports video game, on a sports video game forum. It's ridiculous! lmao. And nobody has to concede if they're not proven wrong, that's how discussions/debates work. What you want people to just stop voicing the problems with the game because you're satisfied with it?

[WaddupCouzin]

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Yeah how dare anyone voice their opinion or critique a sports video game, on a sports video game forum. It's ridiculous! lmao. And nobody has to concede if they're not proven wrong, that's how discussions/debates work. What you want people to just stop voicing the problems with the game because you're satisfied with it?

Let me explain the difference between the two...As you can see from my Avatar area, I have been on this board a long time, and on the NFL2k4 and NFL2K5 boards, we use to have a poster named KENOBI, I don't know if he's still on here, but Shout-Out to Kenobi, He use to make us sick with constructive criticism of NFL2K, but as opposed to the "criticism" that people want to call constructive on this board, he would give tangible example using real life video to make his point as to how the game could be better and what the 2K staff could do to make a better game, well guess what, I can't remember if it was 2K3, 2K4, or 2K5, but alot of his video suggestions were addressed and we on the board would like to think he was an intregal part of that happening. If people on this thread were doing that, I would say, cool, they're doing what they need to do to make a better game. Unless, they're doing that on a different thread, I don't see it here. Therefore it just comes off as just crying and complaining and you can reference Spank's brilliant post to get the real jist. Im not anti-criticism, but the "I'm calling the better business bureau" threads are mindless to me.

[VDusen04]

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Let me explain the difference between the two...As you can see from my Avatar area, I have been on this board a long time, and on the NFL2k4 and NFL2K5 boards, we use to have a poster named KENOBI, I don't know if he's still on here, but Shout-Out to Kenobi, He use to make us sick with constructive criticism of NFL2K, but as opposed to the "criticism" that people want to call constructive on this board, he would give tangible example using real life video to make his point as to how the game could be better and what the 2K staff could do to make a better game, well guess what, I can't remember if it was 2K3, 2K4, or 2K5, but alot of his video suggestions were addressed and we on the board would like to think he was an intregal part of that happening. If people on this thread were doing that, I would say, cool, they're doing what they need to do to make a better game. Unless, they're doing that on a different thread, I don't see it here. Therefore it just comes off as just crying and complaining and you can reference Spank's brilliant post to get the real jist. Im not anti-criticism, but the "I'm calling the better business bureau" threads are mindless to me.

I think some threads are going to be used for game improvement and some are likely bound merely to discuss the game's content (for better or worse).

In this case, this was a thread started by someone wondering whether 2K was going to be at E3. Soon, that morphed into whether 2K should be at E3 and before we knew it, we were off to the races on a discussion regarding 2K's business tactics and direction. That then morphed into comments about board negativity.

I believe there's a lot of opportunities on this forum to brainstorm and post ideas for improvement. In my own regard, I've made a concerted effort to contribute in that fashion for years. Just in the last few months, my detailed posts for improvement (often with video examples) can be found...

Here: http://www.operationsports.com/forum...-shot-yet.html

Here: http://www.operationsports.com/forum...-nba-2k14.html

Here: http://www.operationsports.com/forum...tmosphere.html

and Here (numerous pages): http://www.operationsports.com/forum...-wishlist.html

And even though I'm not fully with RogerBlack's stance of a lack of E3 appearance being a bad sign (I feel it's still quite early in the cycle for them to release anything of substance), I do not believe that means he does not contribute ideas otherwise. In fact, I swear I thought I read a detailed post of his (with graphics) as to how to make a portion of Association more personal and legitimate that earned a positive response from a 2K employee. I cannot find it now though, so perhaps I got the user wrong on that one.

The constructive brainstorms still exist amongst members here at OS, they're just usually in the threads that lend themselves to constructive brainstorming. This thread hit me as a discussion-about-E3-and-whatnot thread and I felt gameplay improvement ideas here would be out of place.

[RogerBlack]

NBA2K15 @ E3

I think some threads are going to be used for game improvement and some are likely bound merely to discuss the game's content (for better or worse).

In this case, this was a thread started by someone wondering whether 2K was going to be at E3. Soon, that morphed into whether 2K should be at E3 and before we knew it, we were off to the races on a discussion regarding 2K's business tactics and direction. That then morphed into comments about board negativity.

I believe there's a lot of opportunities on this forum to brainstorm and post ideas for improvement. In my own regard, I've made a concerted effort to contribute in that fashion for years. Just in the last few months, my detailed posts for improvement (often with video examples) can be found...

Here: http://www.operationsports.com/forum...-shot-yet.html

Here: http://www.operationsports.com/forum...-nba-2k14.html

Here: http://www.operationsports.com/forum...tmosphere.html

and Here (numerous pages): http://www.operationsports.com/forum...-wishlist.html

And even though I'm not fully with RogerBlack's stance of a lack of E3 appearance being a bad sign (I feel it's still quite early in the cycle for them to release anything of substance), I do not believe that means he does not contribute ideas otherwise. In fact, I swear I thought I read a detailed post of his (with graphics) as to how to make a portion of Association more personal and legitimate that earned a positive response from a 2K employee. I cannot find it now though, so perhaps I got the user wrong on that one.

The constructive brainstorms still exist amongst members here at OS, they're just usually in the threads that lend themselves to constructive brainstorming. This thread hit me as a discussion-about-E3-and-whatnot thread and I felt gameplay improvement ideas here would be out of place.

You are correct.

I have contributed to lots of threads that provide constructive criticism about gameplay, as well as made my fair share of 'semi-rants'.

This particular thread falls more into the 'rant' category for me. I really feel that some of the details about 2k15 information that has been released recently COULD HAVE been released during E3.

Just like they did when they had some viable competition from EA on the shelves, back when 2k11 was being promoted.

(For example: 2k could have held that webcast about 'Crew' mode coming back to last-gen systems during E3, imo. It would have gotten a lot more traction & media attention because E3 is tailor made for 'buzzworthy' info just like that. That's exactly what gamers are looking for during E3 week.)

And yes, I also created graphic screenshots for some ideas for 'Association' mode (and other stuff) awhile back. That was me.

If I find the thread/s again, I'll drop link/s.

EDIT: Here's One >> Check my post (#52) >> R.I.P online leagues in nba2k14: Important Info inside

[WaddupCouzin]

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The first video usually comes from Germany! Lol!

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Did I call it or did I call it! Lol!