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Re: Official "Bring Back Halftime Show" Thread
I remember there being pushback against The Crib back then as well. However, one of the biggest differences between The Crib and some of the things NBA 2K brought about in 2K13, bolstered in 2K14 then wisely scaled back in 2K15 is that The Crib was entirely separated from the authentic playing experience (ditto the celebrity challenge). People were not required to earn Crib Points to earn the right to organize your depth chart on opening Sunday and The Crib itself was entirely separated from any mode altogether.
Essentially, The Crib was a fun bonus implemented for those who wanted to partake (not to mention it was actually pretty freaking detailed and well done, like really well done). The added bonus was that gamers would earn Crib Points for on-field tasks, awarded via an ESPN ticker update pop-up. Even for people who didn't use The Crib, it was a nice Pavlovian reward system that made us feel like it was neat to do good things. NFL 2K5 wasn't perfect, but they seemed to pour an incredible amount of worthwhile experience into just about every corner of that game (lest we not forget they also had dozens of completely editable classic teams).
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How much credit a company deserves may be in the eye of the beholder. However, specifically regarding the era-authentic presentation in 2K12, I can't really recall people not loving that detailed addition. Off the top:
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One of the reasons that presentation may be lost in time... 2K let it be. It was restricted to The Greatest Mode for 2K12 and that's the only time we ever saw it. For one reason or another, there was no option to utilize that presentation outside of the head-to-head classic matchups (which myself and anyone who played the mode tended to overwhelmingly love) and then by 2K13, the filters and authentic presentation had been completely erased from existence.When it comes to 2K12's attention to authenticity, I really can't think of any game that has scrutinized every last detail in its subject matter as thoroughly as this year's sim.
For the time and effort 2K had to have poured into the Greatest Mode, I was pretty surprised how disposable a lot of its aspects were treated. The commentary was specific to the matchups, so I understand that not crossing over. But not finding a way to carry over the era-specific rules or courts or even just the era filters by themselves really seemed to lock 2K's work in that regard neatly inside of its own time capsule.Last edited by VDusen04; 10-03-2014, 03:31 PM.Comment
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Re: Official "Bring Back Halftime Show" Thread
Yeah, i'd say The Crib and VC aren't really a valid comparisons though.
"Fun bonuses" seem to be frowned upon these days by the 'hardcore' guys, and turn into the scapegoat if they feel something they wanted implemented is missing.
Just an off topic observation though...Comment
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Re: Official "Bring Back Halftime Show" Thread
Everyone can find something to have a problem with all the time. That is not a new revelation to me during my time here at OperationSports. It has always been that way. Sometimes there's a couple of unreasonable folks who will blame a gameplay shortcoming on the fact that numerous pairs of Jordan shoes have been added. But to me it's tough to say flatly that "hardcore" gamers would deny a bonus mode crafted as well as NFL's Crib if other parts of the game were not being clearly neglected or negatively influenced by the bonus mode's implementation itself.
That said, I guess it depends what's being referenced as being a "fun bonus" in the modern game. Offhand, virtual currency seemed like the clearest comparison to The Crib, for if Virtual Currency had been delivered liberally and only provided gamers with bonus hypothetical NBA 2K Crib details, I think it'd have been more warmly received (as opposed to locking out standard accessories, colors, and tasks behind a distorted and tedious pay scale).
I remember NBA 2K trying to emulate The Crib, but struggling mightily to capture the spirit and breadth of its initial implementation.
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Official "Bring Back Halftime Show" Thread
Guess my point is that folks were more receptive to that kind of "spirit" at the time...and moreso because that was the climate of gaming than because of it's design...Comment
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Re: Official "Bring Back Halftime Show" Thread
I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree in that case. I felt The Crib caught flak, but also worked because every single aspect of NFL 2K5 could be fully enjoyed without it. Even in my personal regard, my sports gaming preference has not changed much (I like authentic games with real things and wonderful details) but with The Crib being a separate entity from the (at the time) very authentic NFL 2K, I was able to enjoy both worlds. It felt like NFL 2K5 left virtually no stone left unturned so at that point with The Crib it was like, "And there's this thing too?!"
Meanwhile, NBA 2K has sometimes tried to mesh authentic and unauthentic aspects that sometimes seemed to negatively affect immersion. I believe NBA 2K catches flak for some of their unrealistic applications for this very reason, not due to a sudden gamer climate change.Last edited by VDusen04; 10-03-2014, 03:55 PM.Comment
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Re: Official "Bring Back Halftime Show" Thread
I LOVED that 2k6 crib. I did not even remembered that, lol.http://www.anba2k.com/ - League for 30 spanish simheads
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Yeah, we can definitely agree to disagree, no worries...one thing I will say is that I don't think it was "sudden" at all.... but I definitely think gaming and gamers have certainly changed since 2005...Comment
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Re: Official "Bring Back Halftime Show" Thread
I agree 24th. I mentioned this before, but gamers are a lot more critical and negative now. I think it has to do with expectations tbh because of where we were at the end of the PS2/Xbox era.Comment
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It's tough for me to say either way, regarding gamers changing, in terms of demanding more and/or becoming more negative. It doesn't sound unrealistic, but I also tend to remember a lot of the stuff I see these days still existing back then (in terms of gamer feedback).
Just for fun (honestly not making a point, for I'm still in the midst of reading through it myself), you guys should check out the NBA 2K5 impressions: http://www.operationsports.com/forum...ns-thread.html. Pared is the frontrunner for having my favorite comment thus far:
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Re: Official "Bring Back Halftime Show" Thread
I was just thinking. If they needed a new voice of the halftime show, it could be Da Czar!!!!!! #SimNationBoy this habit is as bad as dope!!!
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