Re: Questionable drafting by the computer in myleague?

[ChrisMortensenDSPN]

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Draft logic always been poor. I plan on drafting for the CPU.

Also a bust is a top pick that never pans out. Kwame, Olakandi, etc

That's different from the CPU drafting Fab Melo #1 overall. That's poor draft logic not a "bust"

[jeremym480]

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I think that 2k does it so that there's 'booms and busts' in each draft, but it does suck seeing someone who is projected in the Top 5-10 drop to the 2nd Round. I'm just using 1 team control so like mqtcelticsfan I'm just going to have self control and pass on them.


I created my own draft class with around 70 prospects real life. I think I have 30 guys rated 78-70 and the rest are 69-60. I lowered the rest of the 'fake prospects' potentials and none are rated over 58, so hopefully the CPU doesn't draft anyone besides the guys I created. Also, as a way to add randomness in my draft class I had my wife lower the potential of 4 prospects in the Top 20 (anywhere from 1-10 points) and 2 to raise (the same amount). Of course, she doesn't know anything about b-ball, so it's all going to be random. I left the room so I have no idea who she chose. It should be interesting..... hopefully.

I did run one test before starting... I actually had some fake prospects with C potentials in the test and only two were chosen. After that I lowered all of the C's to F's so hopefully none of the fake guys are chosen now. Another thing to note, is that I had 2 prospects rated 74 go in the 2nd round and both ended up getting cut. I guess that's okay since most 2nd round prospects don't make their teams and we don't have a D-League to send them to (unfortunately).

[CWSapp757]

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With all due respect guys, there is no way to defend this. Like many have already said, you can not compare what is happening in the game to Kwame Brown, Greg Oden or Mike Olawakandi being taken number one. Once again, those players were projected to go high and even if they were did not go first, they would have went very high.

What is happening here is that teams are NOT taking players that the game itself acknowledges as top picks. All of the big board and mock drafts have the same few players as top 5 and all of them fall to the late first round? That would never ever ever ever ever ever happen in the NBA.

I edited a draft class to where there was one player with a 78 overall and 95 potential. The next best player in the draft was edited down to a 73 overall and the next closest in potential was an 84. What pick did that clear number one player go???? Number 22. This isn't the NFL. A player of that caliber that everyone acknowledges as the number one pick would never fall that far. And to be honest, I could look the other way if I was just one or two players, but it's like the top four or five players pretty much all the time.

Of course controlling all 30 teams would be a great fix but they have no option to have the CPU handle different tasks for the other team. So therefore if you control all thirty teams you have to do EVERYTHING for all thirty teams and I think we can all agree that is not the way that most of us would like to play.

Obviously I know you can simply "chose to ignore" those great players late in the first but I still puts a major blow on the mode. A major blow.

[manu1433]

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I was curious to know if the player ratings are just the opinion of my own scout?

The Detroit Pistons just drafted a 67 overall Center 1st overall. He was considered the 2nd best center available but ranked around 30th overall by all 3 ranking services. There were probably 20-25 guys rated much better than him available, including 4-5 in the 80's.

Just wondering what to make of this? I mean, I get drafting for needs, but..

Edit: I'm using default draft and scouting settings btw.

2k14 had similar issues last year

I would always download user made draft classes from the 2k servers and guys like Wiggins and Jabari would always fall into the late teens

hate to hear that this sort of thing has carried over

["The Veal"]

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With all due respect guys, there is no way to defend this. Like many have already said, you can not compare what is happening in the game to Kwame Brown, Greg Oden or Mike Olawakandi being taken number one. Once again, those players were projected to go high and even if they were did not go first, they would have went very high.

What is happening here is that teams are NOT taking players that the game itself acknowledges as top picks. All of the big board and mock drafts have the same few players as top 5 and all of them fall to the late first round? That would never ever ever ever ever ever happen in the NBA.

I edited a draft class to where there was one player with a 78 overall and 95 potential. The next best player in the draft was edited down to a 73 overall and the next closest in potential was an 84. What pick did that clear number one player go???? Number 22. This isn't the NFL. A player of that caliber that everyone acknowledges as the number one pick would never fall that far. And to be honest, I could look the other way if I was just one or two players, but it's like the top four or five players pretty much all the time.

Of course controlling all 30 teams would be a great fix but they have no option to have the CPU handle different tasks for the other team. So therefore if you control all thirty teams you have to do EVERYTHING for all thirty teams and I think we can all agree that is not the way that most of us would like to play.

Obviously I know you can simply "chose to ignore" those great players late in the first but I still puts a major blow on the mode. A major blow.

Yeah, it really does suck, and the 30-team control work around is just too much work for just a simple thing later in the year. But still, the rest of MyLEAGUE is like damn near perfect so I'm cool with it, but I'm just hoping 2K acknowledges it, because I don't even remember it being that bad with the Top 5's dropping so far and late first-rounders being randomly taken in the Top 5. I understand they wanted to spice things up but it's farrrr from realistic.

Also to note, I'm not sure if this was in last year, but the scout can choose to scout 'sleepers.' Now I'm not sure how they're defining sleepers, or the impact they may have, but players that could go much earlier than their projected pick may have been sleepers for that team. I.e. the game over-utilizes sleepers for each team, thus allowing for huge picks to drop.

[ChrisMortensenDSPN]

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I also find 30 team control tedious but ill probably just control each team for the draft and then switch back.

If not I made it so I can freely move players in MyLeague so I'll just swap players.

[CWSapp757]

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Wait, you can control thirty teams and then switch back during MyLeague? If so, then I guess that is a simple workaround for the problem at the moment.

[jeremym480]

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Wait, you can control thirty teams and then switch back during MyLeague? If so, then I guess that is a simple workaround for the problem at the moment.

Not that I'm aware of.

[BigT34]

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A total fix will require a complete reworking of the scouting and player development system.

Which needs to be done, and probably will, but will take time. The problem right now is perfect information. We can scout a guy and know with high certainty his potential and then that he will reach it. Unless that changes, the alternative is that all the best players get drafted appropriately.

[Sreister]

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A total fix will require a complete reworking of the scouting and player development system.

Which needs to be done, and probably will, but will take time. The problem right now is perfect information. We can scout a guy and know with high certainty his potential and then that he will reach it. Unless that changes, the alternative is that all the best players get drafted appropriately.

How would you know? It sounds like an issue with some sort of "picking" algorithm. The players are fine, it's the CPU that is choosing the 23rd guy off most boards first overall that is the problem.

If you want to have "bust/gem" guys then you need to not give us as much info on the players as it does. There's too much transparency for this system to work as we KNOW how good this kids are.

Just have the best players be picked higher up, I don't think anyone would mind that because the worst teams will get the best players, how it should be. And, as far as real NBA goes, that is typically the case anyway, at least for the top picks. Maybe give the top 5 teams a lesser chance of taking someone lower than a top 10 on the draft board and then keep the random drafting methods they seem to be using.

[jeremym480]

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How would you know? It sounds like an issue with some sort of "picking" algorithm. The players are fine, it's the CPU that is choosing the 23rd guy off most boards first overall that is the problem.

If you want to have "bust/gem" guys then you need to not give us as much info on the players as it does. There's too much transparency for this system to work as we KNOW how good this kids are.

Just have the best players be picked higher up, I don't think anyone would mind that because the worst teams will get the best players, how it should be. And, as far as real NBA goes, that is typically the case anyway, at least for the top picks. Maybe give the top 5 teams a lesser chance of taking someone lower than a top 10 on the draft board and then keep the random drafting methods they seem to be using.

Agreed. I won't pretend that I know the first thing about correcting draft logic from the devs perspective. However, if they could just make it as simple as looking at a position of need first, then look at the player type along with how they will be used and so on and so fourth. It would be nice to see them take the best player available (by taking the player who's ranked the highest across all of the big boards) if all else fails.

Hopefully, this is something that they can address in a patch, but my fear is that it even if it's patched it will require a restart.

[Sreister]

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Agreed. I won't pretend that I know the first thing about correcting draft logic from the devs perspective. However, if they could just make it as simple as looking at a position of need first, then look at the player type along with how they will be used and so on and so fourth. It would be nice to see them take the best player available (by taking the player who's ranked the highest across all of the big boards) if all else fails.

Hopefully, this is something that they can address in a patch, but my fear is that it even if it's patched it will require a restart.

Yeah, as a person that has done some coding in the past, it's not THAT easy. I'm sure there are a ton of variables in play here, but I think something they could do is give limits to how far the CPU can stretch when it comes to picking. Give them a + of like 10 or so when it comes to the big board or something.

["The Veal"]

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To be honest, I think the biggest problem is rather a simple one. They added the ability for 'sleepers' to exist, which is great. However, I think all the other CPU wayyyyy overvalue sleepers so they take 20-30 talents in the Top 5. This then causes a ton of the best players to drop cause they value the sleepers more than anything else. That's just my guess, I hope someone from 2K can chime in cause they'll know the problem more than any of us.

[Painkiller1974]

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This is a very big problem when you chose to playbwith real draft class, because YOU know wich arevthe best players (i.e. Last year Parker and Wiggins) and you can pick them even if you have the 10th or 15th pick...
Very unrealistic

[SteezeOrtiz]

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I did about 3 o4 seasons in myleague and my team was pretty bad until I signed greg popovich as my coach. After that we won 3 championships in a row. lol