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  • JRxPHANTOM
    Rookie
    • Oct 2014
    • 186

    #361
    Re: NBA 2k15 Player Regression in MYLeague Testing

    Well after I simmed a season on default settings, the regression looked good and realistic. It appears that while regression may not be fixed, it's at least very acceptable and I'll take it as a fix.

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    • Comduklakis
      MVP
      • Oct 2005
      • 1887

      #362
      Re: NBA 2k15 Player Regression in MYLeague Testing

      Hope this makes regression more realistic. Before there were too many guys losing too much in skills such as shooting at 28 or so. I have no problem with a few guys losing a little speed or quickness at 28, but outside shooting generally isn't something that goes south at 28.

      My biggest issue is why guys would LOSE basketball IQ as they aged. 99% of players get more intelligent about the game, not less. Physical skills? Sure, regress by all means. But IQ? Just silliness to see a guy like Jose Calderon or Marc Gasol losing IQ points on his passing or shot selection. That's not how the NBA works.
      http://www.operationsports.com/forum...y-cant-we.html

      http://www.operationsports.com/forum...ow-2012-a.html

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      • dregos
        Rookie
        • Apr 2009
        • 273

        #363
        Re: NBA 2k15 Player Regression in MYLeague Testing

        Originally posted by Comduklakis
        Hope this makes regression more realistic. Before there were too many guys losing too much in skills such as shooting at 28 or so. I have no problem with a few guys losing a little speed or quickness at 28, but outside shooting generally isn't something that goes south at 28.

        My biggest issue is why guys would LOSE basketball IQ as they aged. 99% of players get more intelligent about the game, not less. Physical skills? Sure, regress by all means. But IQ? Just silliness to see a guy like Jose Calderon or Marc Gasol losing IQ points on his passing or shot selection. That's not how the NBA works.
        If a guy has to become a volume shooter and ends up taking a lot of bad shots through-out the season, that might cause a players shot IQ to drop. If a player is on a defense that puts him in a bad position to defend the pick n roll - he might make a lot of bad plays over the course of the season causing his PnR IQ to drop. I'm just thinking real-life here...throwing the idea out for you to think about. I've seen occasionally in 2k a player will be in regression but his shot IQ still goes up.

        There are other factors that might play into progression as well: training, stats, playing time, chemistry, morale...
        Last edited by dregos; 03-14-2015, 08:15 PM.

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        • Comduklakis
          MVP
          • Oct 2005
          • 1887

          #364
          Re: NBA 2k15 Player Regression in MYLeague Testing

          ehh, the regression doesn't seem to be that complex. After season one of my 30 team MyLeague I saw across the board drops in IQ for numerous older players. Here is a list of guys who lost basketball IQ:

          Taj Gibson
          Anderson Vareajo
          Mike Miller
          Matt Barnes
          Zach Randolph
          Beno Udrih
          Vince Carter
          Kyle Korver
          Luol Deng
          Chris Anderson
          Josh McRoberts
          Alec Burks
          Jose Calderon
          Carlos Boozer
          Kobe Bryant
          Dirk Nowitzki
          Joe Johnson
          Brandon Jennings
          Mike Dunleavy
          Trevor Ariza
          Joey Dorsey
          Manu Ginobili
          Tiago Splitter
          Chris Kaman
          David Lee
          Nene Hilario

          Now in a couple cases of younger guys like Jennings and Burks, I'm assuming it is related to their injuries. But again, take some speed (which they did) or vertical, not their IQ.

          Now again this is all pre patch but the weirdest regressions for guys who suffered no injuries would be:

          Jeff Green
          Al Horford
          Patrick Beverly
          and most ridiculously of all....Andre Drummond.

          Some other guys who seemed odd for going down were Singler, Augustin, James Johnson, etc. but even in real life role players tend to go up and down more than front line talents.
          http://www.operationsports.com/forum...y-cant-we.html

          http://www.operationsports.com/forum...ow-2012-a.html

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          • Leftos
            NBA 2K AI Software Engineer
            • Oct 2010
            • 1255

            #365
            Re: NBA 2k15 Player Regression in MYLeague Testing

            Originally posted by Comduklakis
            ehh, the regression doesn't seem to be that complex. After season one of my 30 team MyLeague I saw across the board drops in IQ for numerous older players.
            Which attributes specifically (not letter grades) do you see dropping that shouldn't be? I would check but I won't be at the office for another couple of weeks, I just want to have something to go off of when I get back.
            Eleftherios "Leftos" Aslanoglou
            NBA 2K AI Software Engineer
            Visual Concepts Entertainment / 2K Sports
            Novato, CA, USA

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            • Comduklakis
              MVP
              • Oct 2005
              • 1887

              #366
              Re: NBA 2k15 Player Regression in MYLeague Testing

              Originally posted by Leftos
              Which attributes specifically (not letter grades) do you see dropping that shouldn't be? I would check but I won't be at the office for another couple of weeks, I just want to have something to go off of when I get back.
              All I had was letter grades to go off of. And as I mentioned this was pre-patch.

              I personally have no issue with guys losing speed, quickness, vertical, etc. at 29/30. I just don't think guys should lose shooting ability until mid 30s (legs go, e.g. Ray Allen IRL) and I don't think players should lose basketball IQ scores at all as they age.

              I'll put up the category drops and players just in case but again this was pre-patch and all I have is letter grades. The number is the number they dropped overall:


              OJ Mayo inside D Per D Reb Physicals -1
              Za Za Pachulia inside d per d reb Physicals inside -3
              Joakim Noah per d plmk reb Physicals -1
              Pau Gasol Ins 2 mid inside d reb physicals -4
              Taj Gibson inside d per d physicals IQ -1
              Corey Brewer inside physicals -1
              Kirk Hinrich mid inside d per d reb physicals -2
              Timofy Mozgov inside d per d reb Physicals -3
              Anderson Varejao inside mid inside d per d plmk reb 2 physcials iq -6
              Mike Miller inside 3pt inside d per d physicals iq -4
              Jamal Crawford inside 3 pt inside d per d physicals -3
              Matt Barnes inside inside d per d Physicals iq -3
              Zach Randolph inside mid inside d per d reb physicals iq -4
              Jeff Green 3 pt inside d reb Physicals -1
              Courtney Lee inside inside d per d reb physicals -2
              Beno Udrih inside Per D physicals iq -2
              Vince Carter inside mid 3 pt inside d per d plmk reb physicals iq -5
              Al Horford physicals -1
              Kyle Korver inside inside d per d Physicals iq -3
              Thabo Sefolosha inside inside d per d plmk reb physicals -2
              Dwyane Wade inside mid inside d per d plmk reb physcials -2
              Luol Deng per d physicals iq -2
              Mario Chalmers inside per d reb Physicals -2
              Chris Andersen inside mid inside d per d reb physicals iq -3
              Josh McRoberts inside 3 pt per d plmk reb physicals iq -3
              Kemba Walker inside inside d per d plmk physicals -1
              Marvin Williams inside 3 pt per d plmk reb physicals -2
              Alec Burks inside mid 3 pt per d physicals iq -2
              Carl Landry per d reb physicals -1
              Jason Thompson mid inside d per d Physicals -1
              Jose Calderon inside inside d per d REB physicals iq -3
              Carlos Boozer inside per d plmk Physicals iq -4
              Jason Smith mid inside d per d Physicals -2
              Kobe Bryant inside mid 3 pt inside d per d plmk reb physicals iq -5
              Aaron Brooks inside d per d reb Physicals -1
              Channing Frye per d physicals -2
              Ben Gordon inside mid 3 pt 2 inside d per d 2 physicals -4
              Dirk Nowitzki inside mid 3pt per d reb physicals iq -4
              Tyson Chandler jmid inside d per d Physicals -3
              Raymond Felton inside 3 pt inside d per d reb physicals -1
              Devin Harris inside mid inside d per d reb physicals -2
              Deron Williams inside mid 3 pt inside d per d plmk reb physicals -3
              Joe Johnson inside mid 3 pt inside d per d plmk reb physicals iq -5
              Jarrett Jack inside 3 pt inside d per d plmk physicals -3
              Alan Anderson per d reb physicals -1
              Ty Lawson per d plmk physicals -1
              Marcus Thornton inside inside d per d reb physicals -2
              Jameer Nelson inside mid 3 pt inside d per d reb physcials -3
              Paul George inside 3 pt plmk -2
              George Hill inside inside d per d Physicals -1
              David West inside mid inside d per d plmk reb physcials -4
              Damjan Rudez inside d Per D physicals -1
              Omer Asik inside d Per D reb Physicals -2
              Andre Drummond inside mid -1
              Brandon Jennings inside mid per d Physicals iq -3
              Jodie Meeks per d reb physicals -1
              Mike Dunleavy mid 3 pt inside d plmk reb physicals iq -3
              James Johnson inside mid 3 pt inside d per d reb physcials -2
              Patrick Beverly inside inside d per d reb physicals -1
              Trevor Ariza inside 3 pt per d plmk physicals iq -2
              Pablo Prigioni 3 pt per d reb Physicals -2
              Joey Dorsey inside per d physicals iq -2
              Tony Parker inside d per d physicals -1
              Manu Ginobili inside 2 mid 3 pt inside d per d plmk reb physicals iq -4
              Tiago Splitter inside per d reb Physicals iq -2
              Boris Diaw inside 3 pt per d plmk physicals -2
              Andrea Bargnani inside 3 pt reb -3
              Gerald Green inside 3 pt per d plmk physicals -2
              PJ Tucker inside Per D plmk reb physicals -2
              Danny Granger inside mid 3 pt inside d per d reb physcials -4
              DJ Augustin per d plmk physicals -2
              Kyle Singler inside inside d per d plmk physicals -1
              Mo Williams inside mid 3 pt inside d per d plmk physcials -3
              Nick Collision inside inside d per d plmk reb physicals -1
              Steve Novak 3 pt inside d per d reb physicals -3
              Nikol Pekovic inside d Per D physicals -2
              Kevin Martin per d physicals -3
              Chade Budinger inside mid per d plmk reb physicals -3
              Chris Kaman inside mid per d Physicals iq -2
              Steve Blake inside Per D reb -1
              Draymond Green inside physicals -1
              Davd Lee inside inside d per d plmk physicals iq -2
              Andrew Bogut inside inside d per d reb -2
              Andre Iguodala inside mid 3 pt per d plmk reb physcials -3
              Shaun Livingston inside d Per D reb Physicals -1
              Nene mid inside d per d reb physicals iq -3
              Martell Webster inside d Per D physicals -1
              Randy Foye inside inside d per d Physicals


              Thank you for taking an interest, regardless of whether this info is helpful or not.
              http://www.operationsports.com/forum...y-cant-we.html

              http://www.operationsports.com/forum...ow-2012-a.html

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              • Leftos
                NBA 2K AI Software Engineer
                • Oct 2010
                • 1255

                #367
                Re: NBA 2k15 Player Regression in MYLeague Testing

                I missed the part of your post where you said this was pre-Patch 4. Can you please try again after Patch 4 and this time keep an eye out for specific attributes? You should be able to switch to them on the progression screen.
                Eleftherios "Leftos" Aslanoglou
                NBA 2K AI Software Engineer
                Visual Concepts Entertainment / 2K Sports
                Novato, CA, USA

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                • flo182
                  Rookie
                  • Oct 2013
                  • 260

                  #368
                  Re: NBA 2k15 Player Regression in MYLeague Testing

                  Do I have to start a new MyGM/MyLeague for the regression fix to work or will it also work with my current savegame?

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                  • dmankey1
                    Rookie
                    • Oct 2013
                    • 384

                    #369
                    Re: NBA 2k15 Player Regression in MYLeague Testing

                    Originally posted by flo182
                    Do I have to start a new MyGM/MyLeague for the regression fix to work or will it also work with my current savegame?
                    You have to start a new save

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                    • ebonyisis
                      Just started!
                      • Jan 2015
                      • 3

                      #370
                      Re: NBA 2k15 Player Regression in MYLeague Testing

                      So now with the Regression issue (at least mostly) fixed, has anyone posted any new sliders for MyLEAGUE?

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                      • 8KB24
                        MVP
                        • Jun 2012
                        • 2106

                        #371
                        Re: NBA 2k15 Player Regression in MYLeague Testing

                        Originally posted by ebonyisis
                        So now with the Regression issue (at least mostly) fixed, has anyone posted any new sliders for MyLEAGUE?
                        I use Poke's with SimWorld for injuries(also durability at 99) with my 42 for progression and 52 for in-season. It works even better -- Melo still 90 at 35 years old etc.

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                        • vtcrb
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                          • Nov 2006
                          • 10294

                          #372
                          Re: NBA 2k15 Player Regression in MYLeague Testing

                          Things are looking ALOT better.
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                          • DocHolliday
                            Farewell and 'ado
                            • Oct 2002
                            • 4698

                            #373
                            Re: NBA 2k15 Player Regression in MYLeague Testing

                            Originally posted by dmankey1
                            You have to start a new save
                            According to the Patch notes, you do not need to start a new save. Some clarifaction on this would be nice.
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                            • kriegz
                              Rookie
                              • Oct 2007
                              • 322

                              #374
                              Re: NBA 2k15 Player Regression in MYLeague Testing

                              Originally posted by DocHolliday
                              According to the Patch notes, you do not need to start a new save. Some clarifaction on this would be nice.
                              Patch notes lied. You need to start a new save. Clearly they double checked before they made an unequivocal statement.

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                              • Leftos
                                NBA 2K AI Software Engineer
                                • Oct 2010
                                • 1255

                                #375
                                Re: NBA 2k15 Player Regression in MYLeague Testing

                                The ending note on the patch notes about all fixes applying to existing saves is something that applies to 99% of fixes introduced in our patches, we do our best to make sure of that. However, as I mentioned already, any and all progression and regression tuning that was done for Patch 4 does require a new save. I'll reach out to get the Patch Notes corrected if possible.
                                Eleftherios "Leftos" Aslanoglou
                                NBA 2K AI Software Engineer
                                Visual Concepts Entertainment / 2K Sports
                                Novato, CA, USA

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