NBA 2k15 Player Regression in MYLeague Testing

[JA Money14]

Re: NBA 2k15 Player Regression in MYLeague Testing

Sorry, I haven't read through the whole thread and I'm not 100% up-to-date on what all has been tested.

I was wondering though is there a point at in the offseason which regression hits? If so, could you move all of the older players to 27, advance past that stage, then adjust them back to their actual age? And if that did work would they still regress some, just not as much? I was just thinking if that's possible, then that may be less time consuming than adjusting ratings.

That's very interesting. I am not sure if there is a point differentiating from the off-season recap of progression. If all regression happens at that off-season point, in theory, it WOULD be possible to move the players to 27 before advancing. I will add to this by saying that I would only do this until players hit 31 or 32, you know, when ACTUAL regression starts to shine. I would let the game do it's thing to guys that hit that age. The real issue here is that players are losing 4 and 5 points at the age of 28, meaning they are basically finished in 2 years. There has to be a dead period with no regression or progression. (Much like there was in the past.)

Even if it were to work, this is still a workaround and would require much more work than I would like. The way the game's mode was hyped, leads me to believe that the system should be working to start things off! I don't want to have to do anymore editing, I already spent many many hours staring at menus. I'm done with that.

Testing this now to see results.

[BigT34]

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I actually don't think it's as broken as some people thing.

It needs a lot of improvement, but it's not broken. Players basically follow the conventional NBA aging curve--the problems are that it's too heavy-handed and simplified and there doesn't seem to be adequate variability in specific player and skill aging curves (e.g. shooting should not decline rapidly the way it does, and some guys should actually continue to improve past 28-30, but rarely).

I think it will get a lot more refinement next year--hell, look at what they did this year. They're clearly setting the stage

[JA Money14]

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I actually don't think it's as broken as some people thing.

It needs a lot of improvement, but it's not broken. Players basically follow the conventional NBA aging curve--the problems are that it's too heavy-handed and simplified and there doesn't seem to be adequate variability in specific player and skill aging curves (e.g. shooting should not decline rapidly the way it does, and some guys should actually continue to improve past 28-30, but rarely).

I think it will get a lot more refinement next year--hell, look at what they did this year. They're clearly setting the stage

I agree with those last two parts, except the shooting part. I urge you to do some testing yourself, you'll see what we mean.

I initially thought that EVERYTHING regressed rapidly, but shooting ratings actually stay pretty high through everything, J.J. Redick dropped to a 64 OVR in 3 years, however maintained his 89 3pt shooting and 78 mid range rating (Very high in our roster).

I'm with you on them setting the stage, though. 2K does work for sure and by no means is anyone in this thread bashing them or flying off the handle. We all know 2K is the best and they're the reason we have such a great game in the first place. If I was a quick-game only kinda guy, I would be out of here in an instant, but I really only deal with legacy modes, and this issue almost kills it for me in that respect.

The gameplay itself is sooooo good though.

[JA Money14]

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It looks like regression is not affected by the player progression slider.

At 100, players began regression at 28 and still lost 3 or 4 points every year. The only difference is young players gain 11 and 12 points per year to reach their potential.

As far as the age adjustment thing goes, I would say that is the best way to workaround this problem. Great idea, friend. It does take a little bit of work to go in and edit the ages, and you'll probably need a notepad handy to document their actual birth years after regression hits.

I tested this with Andre Iguodala and Andrew Bogut. Put both of them at 27 before I reached the offseason (Right after the finals.) and during the regression phase, both of them lost only 1 point, (Which is perfect for me), then I put them back at their rightful age.

The way I would handle this, is to set all players (about 50-80 players...) between the ages of 28 and 31 back to 27 to limit the regression, then setting them back after the phase. This would take about 20-30 minutes to do, but is the easiest fix I can see thus far.

[RapboY]

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I've been simming some seasons in MyLeague for trying out my draft class, and from what I've noticed, it's not as bad as what you guys here are saying.

It's not EVERYONE who's over 28, it just happens kind of randomly, which is still bad, but at least it's not everyone. This is not hard at all to fix, or actually not hard at all to figure out in the first place. So hopefully they'll fix it in the next patch.

[ronyell]

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Again I say the issue is that there is not any idle time. Players are either professing or regressing which is not realistic. Most players peak & remain idle for a number of years AFTER progression but BEFORE regression. IMO that is what needs to be added sporadically fire sporadic time frames.

[madmax52277]

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I've been simming some seasons in MyLeague for trying out my draft class, and from what I've noticed, it's not as bad as what you guys here are saying.

It's not EVERYONE who's over 28, it just happens kind of randomly, which is still bad, but at least it's not everyone. This is not hard at all to fix, or actually not hard at all to figure out in the first place. So hopefully they'll fix it in the next patch.

Yes your right, it all depends on the season they are having.
like injury, playing time, coaching, training. we can't link the game to real life basketball. and sim through a season and want to have solid overall player's.

Things happen through a season injury's and lack of certain things could regress any players.
That's why it's random, you can't predict the future of a basketball player.

Thank you guys for testing keep up the good work

[Aestiux]

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I've been simming some seasons in MyLeague for trying out my draft class, and from what I've noticed, it's not as bad as what you guys here are saying.

It's not EVERYONE who's over 28, it just happens kind of randomly, which is still bad, but at least it's not everyone. This is not hard at all to fix, or actually not hard at all to figure out in the first place. So hopefully they'll fix it in the next patch.

The bad part in the simplest terms is that there are too many points being taken away from those players who are 28 and older. -5 points for an age 29/30 player is hugely unacceptable. There are even players who are regressing at age 26/27 but not very significantly. Just take a look at Al Horford at age 31 he is 68 Overall. He shouldn't be 68 overall until like age 34/35. In other words, the regression is just too quick. Player progression we can sort of control. The higher the slider, the more overall points that young players increase. Regression we have no control over the quick decrease in the majority of players 28 and older. Now i'm not saying to add a regression slider, because honestly, it would probably be a difficult task for 2K to patch that in 2K15. But, 2K has to figure out some kind of offset to the rapid regression and hopefully add a patch soon.

[JA Money14]

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The bad part in the simplest terms is that there are too many points being taken away from those players who are 28 and older. -5 points for an age 29/30 player is hugely unacceptable. There are even players who are regressing at age 26/27 but not very significantly. Just take a look at Al Horford at age 31 he is 68 Overall. He shouldn't be 68 overall until like age 34/35. In other words, the regression is just too quick. Player progression we can sort of control. The higher the slider, the more overall points that young players increase. Regression we have no control over the quick decrease in the majority of players 28 and older. Now i'm not saying to add a regression slider, because honestly, it would probably be a difficult task for 2K to patch that in 2K15. But, 2K has to figure out some kind of offset to the rapid regression and hopefully add a patch soon.

You're right man, this is the problem.

Maybe it's our different rosters or set ups, but it most definitely IS everyone 28 and over. In all my sims, all the players have been affected. Some have been a little different, some guys get -2 some -3 some -4 or -5... but it hits everyone. The only players this issue doesn't affect is superstars like LBJ, Melo, KD, ect. Those guys have crazy High potentials so it's understandable why they don't get regression. But Horford, Millsap, Bogut, Ariza, Josh Smith, Loul Deng, these guys should not be mid to high 60's when they're 30 or 31.

I realize we cannot link real life to this game, and that once you start a MyLeague, it should follow a timeline of your MyLeague, not real life, but the base players and future still have to have a semblance of realism.

I like the discussion, it is always interesting. No hate here.

[kamackeris76]

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In a similar discussion I have just read that you can edit players ratings if you didn't agree with how much they have regressed? That can't be right can it? It's in the thread along the lines of should I buy nba2k15 given the regression bug?

[redsox4evur]

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In a similar discussion I have just read that you can edit players ratings if you didn't agree with how much they have regressed? That can't be right can it? It's in the thread along the lines of should I buy nba2k15 given the regression bug?

Yea you could always change ratings in a season. At least for along as I can remember.

[kamackeris76]

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Yea you could always change ratings in a season. At least for along as I can remember.

Of course... My bad. The age thing if it's works sounds easier to do mind until the issue is fixed

[rspencer86]

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Great discussion and research, guys. This is what makes OS great.

Still hoping 2K will put out a smaller 4th patch that will address this and the few other minor issues still lurking, but if not, it's good to know there is a bit of a workaround.

[cammy3399]

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With the 2k default roster and using the 45 player progression and 51 training effectiveness slider I'm seeing most people guys 28 and over not regress crazily or regress at all. Kaman, who started as a 78 is now a 80 and he's well into his 30's now.

[rspencer86]

Re: NBA 2k15 Player Regression in MYLeague Testing

Has 2k even acknowledged this bug yet? Or are they pretending it does not exist?

They said they are taking a look at the issue. http://www.operationsports.com/forum...&postcount=102