Why is it "okay" to cheat?

[HowDareI]

Re: Why is it "okay" to cheat?

None of these are cheats, nor exploits.

They're all part of why the online experience is abysmal, sure. But they're still just imbalances that are up to the developer of the game to fix.

There's no reason to expect for random people who own the game to play it like you vision it. They're doing what works for them, and it's up to the game to make sure the most effective way of playing looks like basketball.

And I'm glad there's people like you in this "community" holding back truly fair online gaming.

I expect a game of basketball to be played like a game of basketball, or at the very least not see this brand of basketball even close to winning a game.
No one realistically expects everyone to play fair, but the things that make it unfair (exploits, duh?) shouldn't ruin the experience completely and actually cause knowledgeable, and good players to lose for refusing to cheese back.

Guarantee you don't play online or you could in no way justify saying that, the things you see are clearly exploits because they cannot be stopped.

I've said it, what, like 10 times now? That it's up to 2K to fix these EXPLOITS because that's what they are, or take action on people who continually abuse them to the point where they're cheating wins off of people who refuse to stoop to that level.

[HowDareI]

Re: Why is it "okay" to cheat?

But I guess even "sim" players want the easy route .Meh. My only problem with this thread is how it's phrased, why is it okay to cheat? There is no cheating going on. If it was titled why do I have to play unskilled idiots who used unskilled tactics that I can easily counter will my superior skill and mastery of controls than I would never have responded.

You really wanna keep going don't you?

The only one acting like it's so hard to defend is you, saying that we're saying that. In reality we all know how to defend it, but at the end of the day we also know it's overpowered garbage that shouldn't even work, period.

We don't have a problem defending it, you have a problem understanding that.

It's really hard not to insult you with them sneak disses you keep throwing out there, but it's cool I'm the bigger man. It's okay to disagree, that's why people have these things called opinions...
But at the end of the day all this stuff you're posting "counters" to, shouldn't be as effective as it is, or even in the game at all.

So if you wanna keep acting like you didn't have to post here, maybe take your own advice and leave this thread.

[jaateloauto]

Re: Why is it "okay" to cheat?

And I'm glad there's people like you in this "community" holding back truly fair online gaming.

I expect a game of basketball to be played like a game of basketball, or at the very least not see this brand of basketball even close to winning a game.
No one realistically expects everyone to play fair, but the things that make it unfair (exploits, duh?) shouldn't ruin the experience completely and actually cause knowledgeable, and good players to lose for refusing to cheese back.

Guarantee you don't play online or you could in no way justify saying that, the things you see are clearly exploits because they cannot be stopped.

I've said it, what, like 10 times now? That it's up to 2K to fix these EXPLOITS because that's what they are, or take action on people who continually abuse them to the point where they're cheating wins off of people who refuse to stoop to that level.

This seems like a serious case of shooting the messenger. You can't change human nature, if a game is competitive most people are going to do whatever they can to win. It's up to the developer to make the game so that the best way to win looks like basketball.

That's what separates most online games from the ones that rise to esports level. They're designed in a way that promotes skilful play with a high skill ceiling. They systematically eliminate cheap strategies in order to make the game not only competitive, but fun to play. When you lose a game, you won't need to blame it on Zach Lavine running through 500 pounds for an animation dunk, but know the opponent outplayed you.

I haven't played online in a couple of months, #1 reason being the input lag that's grown from butter smooth 2K14 last-gen to now unacceptable levels for me. Close second is how arcade the game plays when facing random opponents. When I did play online most of the time I spent was in sim online association with strict rules and team-up ladder on MLG (where there were rules against actual exploits such as the eurostep 3).

[The 24th Letter]

Why is it "okay" to cheat?

Nm..........

[xfghfh]

Re: Why is it "okay" to cheat?

best thing to do is dont play against randoms. if you want to play online, play with the sim people on here

[HowDareI]

Re: Why is it "okay" to cheat?

This seems like a serious case of shooting the messenger. You can't change human nature, if a game is competitive most people are going to do whatever they can to win. It's up to the developer to make the game so that the best way to win looks like basketball.

That's what separates most online games from the ones that rise to esports level. They're designed in a way that promotes skilful play with a high skill ceiling. They systematically eliminate cheap strategies in order to make the game not only competitive, but fun to play. When you lose a game, you won't need to blame it on Zach Lavine running through 500 pounds for an animation dunk, but know the opponent outplayed you.

I haven't played online in a couple of months, #1 reason being the input lag that's grown from butter smooth 2K14 last-gen to now unacceptable levels for me. Close second is how arcade the game plays when facing random opponents. When I did play online most of the time I spent was in sim online association with strict rules and team-up ladder on MLG (where there were rules against actual exploits such as the eurostep 3).

But that's okay to you?

You just straight up said you have to go out of your way to find good games because "actual" exploits were being used. I mean, you can deny it all you want, but these things people do are exploits. Idk how hard that can be to understand?

Anyway, so you want to have to go out of your way to find games then? You think it's okay for 2K to sit back and allow people to go online and abuse these things to gain victories?

Why is it bad for them people to get penalized for doing so? That's this whole thing that no one can answer....
What possible explanation can you give me, that sides with them people.

[Andreas85]

Re: Why is it "okay" to cheat?

I mean, you can deny it all you want, but these things people do are exploits. Idk how hard that can be to understand?

Ima say it again, all of the things you stated are not exploits, lets just get that cleared.

Why is it bad for them people to get penalized for doing so? That's this whole thing that no one can answer....
What possible explanation can you give me, that sides with them people.

Like someone else stated, it's the developers job to make it so the best way to play is somewhat close to real basketball. If the best way to play happens to be to spam 2s and have a big men grabbing boards then the developers obviously failed. Left to right can easily be stopped. Again it's the developers fault it exists. Easy way to get open against bad defenders.

The way you're writing is pretty much saying that just because lets say i drive baseline everytime instead of down the middle i should get banned. If the developers made driving baseline much better then driving down the middle then in what way am i exploiting by doing the best thing i can do? The cheese talk is starting to get way out of hand, people now call regular crossovers cheese. Im gonna say the same thing i said earlier in the thread. Thats like saying i should be banned for using the best gun in lets say CoD instead of a decent gun simply because the developers made it that way. Lets say i make a shooter game. And somehow it ends up that jumping and shooting is the best way to play. Should i then ban everyone who jumps and shoot just because i made it the best way to play?

Going back to left to right. Now im talking about left to right 2s/3s. Simply running left to right is really cheesy, but not exploiting. Dribbling left to right is ok if u ask me. Because someone need to explain to me how someone like lets say kyrie irving or stephen curry would do 1v1 if he only wanted a 3. 2 points and a contested shot wasn't an option. Im saying this because the 1s/2s system makes 2s op. That's why people spam 2s.

Now something like screening in the paint is obviously exploiting. But things like left to right, spammin dribbles, spaming square/X isn't exploiting, its cheesy but not exploiting. The developers just made it the best way to play and they failed to make it so u get punished for reaching.

[BellSKA]

Re: Why is it "okay" to cheat?

Ima say it again, all of the things you stated are not exploits, lets just get that cleared.



Like someone else stated, it's the developers job to make it so the best way to play is somewhat close to real basketball. If the best way to play happens to be to spam 2s and have a big men grabbing boards then the developers obviously failed. Left to right can easily be stopped. Again it's the developers fault it exists. Easy way to get open against bad defenders.

The way you're writing is pretty much saying that just because lets say i drive baseline everytime instead of down the middle i should get banned. If the developers made driving baseline much better then driving down the middle then in what way am i exploiting by doing the best thing i can do? The cheese talk is starting to get way out of hand, people now call regular crossovers cheese. Im gonna say the same thing i said earlier in the thread. Thats like saying i should be banned for using the best gun in lets say CoD instead of a decent gun simply because the developers made it that way. Lets say i make a shooter game. And somehow it ends up that jumping and shooting is the best way to play. Should i then ban everyone who jumps and shoot just because i made it the best way to play?

Going back to left to right. Now im talking about left to right 2s/3s. Simply running left to right is really cheesy, but not exploiting. Dribbling left to right is ok if u ask me. Because someone need to explain to me how someone like lets say kyrie irving or stephen curry would do 1v1 if he only wanted a 3. 2 points and a contested shot wasn't an option. Im saying this because the 1s/2s system makes 2s op. That's why people spam 2s.

Now something like screening in the paint is obviously exploiting. But things like left to right, spammin dribbles, spaming square/X isn't exploiting, its cheesy but not exploiting. The developers just made it the best way to play and they failed to make it so u get punished for reaching.

So I'll just go a head and quote myself and Xbox Live's 'Code of Conduct' again.

"It also feels like some have felt the need to commandeer the OPs basic point and make it their own which has nothing to do with the original topic.

"Do not exploit game vulnerabilities or glitches.""

What you wrote is not even close to anything the OP has been trying to get across.

"The way you're writing is pretty much saying that just because lets say i drive baseline everytime instead of down the middle i should get banned."

and then you confused me...

Ima say it again, all of the things you stated are not exploits, lets just get that cleared.

Now something like screening in the paint is obviously exploiting.

You are completely contradicting yourself and just need to give it a rest. If trolling was the highest form of flattery you'd be sending the OP love letters.

A lot of the things the OP is talking about are very cheesy. Only a couple are CHEATING. I'll go ahead and use cheat instead of exploit. My biggest complaint are the double dribble cheaters. I've stated this many times. Since the game calls traveling but not double dribble people are exploiting the circumstances and cheating.

[Yesh2kdone]

Re: Why is it "okay" to cheat?

Ima say it again, all of the things you stated are not exploits, lets just get that cleared.



Like someone else stated, it's the developers job to make it so the best way to play is somewhat close to real basketball. If the best way to play happens to be to spam 2s and have a big men grabbing boards then the developers obviously failed. Left to right can easily be stopped. Again it's the developers fault it exists. Easy way to get open against bad defenders.

The way you're writing is pretty much saying that just because lets say i drive baseline everytime instead of down the middle i should get banned. If the developers made driving baseline much better then driving down the middle then in what way am i exploiting by doing the best thing i can do? The cheese talk is starting to get way out of hand, people now call regular crossovers cheese. Im gonna say the same thing i said earlier in the thread. Thats like saying i should be banned for using the best gun in lets say CoD instead of a decent gun simply because the developers made it that way. Lets say i make a shooter game. And somehow it ends up that jumping and shooting is the best way to play. Should i then ban everyone who jumps and shoot just because i made it the best way to play?

Going back to left to right. Now im talking about left to right 2s/3s. Simply running left to right is really cheesy, but not exploiting. Dribbling left to right is ok if u ask me. Because someone need to explain to me how someone like lets say kyrie irving or stephen curry would do 1v1 if he only wanted a 3. 2 points and a contested shot wasn't an option. Im saying this because the 1s/2s system makes 2s op. That's why people spam 2s.

Now something like screening in the paint is obviously exploiting. But things like left to right, spammin dribbles, spaming square/X isn't exploiting, its cheesy but not exploiting. The developers just made it the best way to play and they failed to make it so u get punished for reaching.

Sounds like you're prone to a bit of left and rightery yourself, with added frustration that people are getting pissed at you and reaching in without punishment.

Screening in the paint is no worse/better than left right left right shoot. It's just the lowest common denominator that sucks all the fun out of the game. I'd rather lose a match trying to have fun, and play a role, than get the ball 15 times, dribble left right left right behind a double screen and shoot.

Getting a couple of chase down blocks on park is far more rewarding to me personally than scoring all 15pts with 2's.

[Andreas85]

Re: Why is it "okay" to cheat?

What you wrote is not even close to anything the OP has been trying to get across.

oh really?

then maybe they should show it's not okay to abuse that cheese and start issuing bans.

Basically what I'm getting at is:
the 3 point corner stepbacks
the zig zag (despite being "patched") still working
the online delay seeming to effect all my shots but not on the other side
the spamming of dribble moves
baseline driving
screening in the paint
etc.

These are all EXPLOITS.

"The way you're writing is pretty much saying that just because lets say i drive baseline everytime instead of down the middle i should get banned."

and then you confused me...

He stated earlier that 2k should start issuing bans against people who "exploit" and driving baseline is exploiting according to him. What i was trying to say is that in what way am i exploiting by just doing the best thing i can do? If driving baseline happen to be the best way to drive im obviously gonna do it.

Now something like screening in the paint is obviously exploiting.

You are completely contradicting yourself and just need to give it a rest. If trolling was the highest form of flattery you'd be sending the OP love letters.

A lot of the things the OP is talking about are very cheesy. Only a couple are CHEATING. I'll go ahead and use cheat instead of exploit. My biggest complaint are the double dribble cheaters. I've stated this many times. Since the game calls traveling but not double dribble people are exploiting the circumstances and cheating.

This is what i was trying to say. OP is saying everything = Exploiting. That's his words. Example: Driving baseline might be cheesy its not exploiting tho. Double dribble is obviously exploiting. Screening in the paint is exploiting since ur using screens to cancel your opponent from playing defense i.e. you cant box him out. What i was trying to say pretty much:

A) Sim = ideal experience for basketball purists i.e "mimics real life bball to the smallest details"

B) Cheese = overpowered moves i.e. "zigzag cheese/driving baseline is overpowered when compared with real NBA"

C) Exploiting = i.e. double dribble, screening in the paint.

D) Cheating / Glitches = changing the code / programming for an advantage. i.e. "hacks, mods, speed glitches, etc"

[Andreas85]

Re: Why is it "okay" to cheat?

Sounds like you're prone to a bit of left and rightery yourself

I dont run left & right, i simply dribble to get open, crossovers, behind the back etc. Again as i said earlier explain to me how it would look like for someone like steph curry 1v1 if he wanted a 3 and contested shot & 2 pointer wouldn't be an option. What you people dont seem to get is that people want 2s, so can someone explain to be how to get a open 2 by not running/dribbling left then right or right then left? Dont give me that "pass the ball,move without the ball and use screens" against defenders who arent complete bums "sim" style doesn't work unless u wanna shoot contested shots.

I do cheese but i have a few rules:
Stage/highrollers: 1. Im playing for my money im gonna do whatever i can to win. 2. You would be dumb not to cheese since everyone is already doing it.

Rec: I play Sim


Park: Randoms=Are they good and do they actually have a brain?=Sim.

Are they complete brainless players who continue to do stupid stuff?=Im gonna do whatever i can do win. Since i have to play as a one man army.


Squad: Depends who i play with. I have a few people i play sim with, and others i dont.

And if the opponent cheese in any way then im gonna cheese back.

with added frustration that people are getting pissed at you and reaching in without punishment.

Correct me if im wrong because my english is not the best. I assume ur saying that im complaining about people reaching without punishment? if thats not what you meant my bad.

Anyways the thing people actually need to stop in order to play better defense is actually to stop reaching. Left to right is easy to defend. No jumping, no reaching and if u turbo at the wrong times u wont be able to keep up. And a hand in his face when he shoots. When people spam square/x it makes it much easier for the person going left right. Im just pointing out that u dont really get punished for reaching.

Screening in the paint is no worse/better than left right left right shoot.

To me it is: left right left right shoot is cheesy. But Screening in the paint is exploiting to me since ur using screens to cancel ur opponent from defending i.e. Your opponent cant box you out. Meaning u pretty much disabling your opponent from defending.

[NDAlum]

Re: Why is it "okay" to cheat?

But that's what online vs randoms is...

People try to find every exploit/advantage they can gain to win and up their stats/W-L record/ego. There's a definite "win at all costs" mentality.

It's never going to change but every year we'll see this same thread pop up to have this same conversation.

If you think you're going to consistently get into an online game teamed up with randoms and you think it'll be fun and somewhat resemble what you would see in the NBA I think you're crazy.

[BellSKA]

Re: Why is it "okay" to cheat?

This is what i was trying to say. OP is saying everything = Exploiting. That's his words. Example: Driving baseline might be cheesy its not exploiting tho. Double dribble is obviously exploiting. Screening in the paint is exploiting since ur using screens to cancel your opponent from playing defense i.e. you cant box him out. What i was trying to say pretty much:

A) Sim = ideal experience for basketball purists i.e "mimics real life bball to the smallest details"

B) Cheese = overpowered moves i.e. "zigzag cheese/driving baseline is overpowered when compared with real NBA"

C) Exploiting = i.e. double dribble, screening in the paint.

D) Cheating / Glitches = changing the code / programming for an advantage. i.e. "hacks, mods, speed glitches, etc"

"*I'm not saying someone who does it a few times a game needs to be banned from ever playing, that's where people are getting it wrong. I don't even mind people doing it like that; sometimes it's a mistake, sometimes the play just breaks down like that.
I'm talking about the people who exclusively abuse known exploits to gain unfair advantages. It's literally against the rules to go online and do that per Microsoft, I'm assuming Sony too.
**And I'm talking 24 hour suspension, let people know it's not okay. Do it again? 48 hours. They have report buttons for a reason, if they're not using them then remove it from the system."

Stright from the OP. I questioned the banning as well & they clarified it. I stand by what I said, I don't think you and many others really understood what the OP was trying to say.

I'm not even going to comment on your self made A-D list.

But I will comment on your idea that a professional basketball player would zig zag to get an open shot. 1st, what a waste of energy. No pro would ever do that. They would use every dribbling move possible to create space. Jab step, step back, killer crossover, etc. And I know your type all too well, I never once said spamming dribble moves was cheating. So hold your troll right there.

I'm done getting hooked by trolls in this thread, I've said my peace. I can't trust a word you say anyway with all the contradictions. Flame on me all you want I've grown tired of your tom-foolery.

[Andreas85]

Re: Why is it "okay" to cheat?

"*I'm not saying someone who does it a few times a game needs to be banned from ever playing, that's where people are getting it wrong. I don't even mind people doing it like that; sometimes it's a mistake, sometimes the play just breaks down like that.
I'm talking about the people who exclusively abuse known exploits to gain unfair advantages. It's literally against the rules to go online and do that per Microsoft, I'm assuming Sony too.
**And I'm talking 24 hour suspension, let people know it's not okay. Do it again? 48 hours. They have report buttons for a reason, if they're not using them then remove it from the system."

Again exploits not cheese, im not going to say it again. Sure people should maybe get a suspension for something like double dribbling. Even if i for example zig-zag and then drive baseline 15 times for my 15 points im not exploiting. What im doin tho is cheesing like hell. However if instead i used double dribble like crazy then thats exploiting.

I'm not even going to comment on your self made A-D list.

I tried to point out what i meant, in what way is it even wrong? There is no way u can put something like double dribbling and driving baseline/zig-zag in the same league. If u really think that im gonna have to question your sanity.

But I will comment on your idea that a professional basketball player would zig zag to get an open shot. 1st, what a waste of energy. No pro would ever do that. They would use every dribbling move possible to create space. Jab step, step back, killer crossover, etc.

Simply running left to right is really cheesy, but not exploiting. Dribbling left to right is ok if u ask me. Because someone need to explain to me how someone like lets say kyrie irving or stephen curry would do 1v1 if he only wanted a 3.

I never said the pros would run left then right, what i was trying to point out to you was that they would obviously dribble to get open, yet people keep saying dribbling left to right or anything like that is exploiting. So again how would it look like?

I'm done getting hooked by trolls in this thread, I've said my peace. I can't trust a word you say anyway with all the contradictions. Flame on me all you want I've grown tired of your tom-foolery.

"Trolling" if you say so.


Im gonna quote some previous writers:

None of these are cheats, nor exploits.

They're all part of why the online experience is abysmal, sure. But they're still just imbalances that are up to the developer of the game to fix.

There's no reason to expect for random people who own the game to play it like you vision it. They're doing what works for them, and it's up to the game to make sure the most effective way of playing looks like basketball.

This seems like a serious case of shooting the messenger. You can't change human nature, if a game is competitive most people are going to do whatever they can to win. It's up to the developer to make the game so that the best way to win looks like basketball.

That's what separates most online games from the ones that rise to esports level. They're designed in a way that promotes skilful play with a high skill ceiling. They systematically eliminate cheap strategies in order to make the game not only competitive, but fun to play. When you lose a game, you won't need to blame it on Zach Lavine running through 500 pounds for an animation dunk, but know the opponent outplayed you.

A good gauge to see if something really is a cheese is to try to use it against CPU. The cpu is using the exact same systems and controls as us, except their shot contest has been nerfed to encourage people to play on ball defense. If it doesn't work on cpu it should let work on us. Fact is, most are defending these tactics wrong and are calling it cheese. People online will always exploit your weakness rather than try something more complicated. Rather than cheese, it's actually more sim than anything. As long as they are not taking advantage of a system that is broken, exploiting your weakness is a SIM play. Now we can all cry and blame 2K for our decencies or puff out chest out and say that it is not an issue to counter (even though the vitriol of this post proves that it is) or we can help each other and share tips to overcome it and get better. First option will get the game nerfed to make it easier for us, latter option will actually force us to get better. But I guess even "sim" players want the easy route .Meh. My only problem with this thread is how it's phrased, why is it okay to cheat? There is no cheating going on. If it was titled why do I have to play unskilled idiots who used unskilled tactics that I can easily counter will my superior skill and mastery of controls than I would never have responded.

[HowDareI]

Re: Why is it "okay" to cheat?

I'm done posting in this thread cuz it's like beating a dead horse now...

People have this mentality where online has to be this struggle between sim vs. cheese/exploits/cheaters.

For the hundredth time, I've been playing online games since 2004 when I was like 14 years old, I understand what online gaming is all about (winning at all costs as people say). I know what I'm getting myself into when I play a ranked game, or a park game, my team game, etc. But certain communities are beautiful entities compared to 2K. The online community in this game is horrendous.
I've never, ever, played a game where literally the whole game is predicated by someone tailoring their whole playstyle around an exploit or "cheese" because people won't accept the whole exploit thing I've been saying for whatever reason it is.

People change their games to be centered around poor play that rewards them. And again, for the hundredth time since people keep ignoring it, it is 100% on 2K to fix it.
These things are in the game for users to take advantage of because of 2K not fixing them, but you don't see people like me abusing it. I refuse to get cheap wins, it's no fun and no challenge.

So, at the end of the day, people who continually abuse things should not be issued a 24/48 hr ban? That's the consensus here.
You heard it folks, here at OS, people who preach sim gaming, are okay with fake-basketball online because "it should be expected", because it's "not an exploit", and because "we should get better and adapt to the people who abuse it".

At no point should us guys who play sim online, ever (and I mean ever) expect to go online and play randoms who have the same mindset.

Does 2K fix it by patching these things?

-Honestly, the zig zag can be fixed by less delay/lag and just tightening the defensive controls a little.

-Stepback corner 3 ties in with 3 points and baseline cheese in general: it shouldn't be so easy to shoot in a guys' face, and baseline shouldn't be so forgiving...if you run on it and get defended, you either pick up the ball or go out of bounds...you don't just keep sprinting through contact and traffic.

-Screening under the rim, just disallow screens online in the paint. Does it ruin some sim plays that I run? Yea, it does. God forbid I actually set off-ball screens in rec and park in the paint where someone's running off a cut. It's a necessary evil I guess when you have scrubs online.

-Double dribble, easy patch but I guess it's not on the (VC) agenda.

*Already been addressed that there's probably not another patch. Will these fixes be implemented into 2K16? Probably not, half of these things were in last year which is why it's so frustrating to keep seeing them be rewarded.

Do we implement lobbies?

For ranked games, or even bringing back unranked, I like the idea. Let users with the same mindset find eachother and play.

This doesn't help the park or rec though, where people continue to abuse things for the prospect of fake "bragging rights" by 10-game winstreaks that show to other people how "good" they are.
It's not like you get a VC bonus or anything for a winstreak, and all it ever does is bring over losers who think they got something to prove to you, by getting next only to do them corny things I mentioned just to beat you.

I actually like going on streaks, but inevitably we always seem to lose our court to a squad of 3 (usually from another affiliation) abusing these exploits and out-cheesing us just to get us off the court. Congrats. I'm not impressed.

So does matchmaking fix this issue? Getting you into a game quicker, and disabling the win streak factor prove less of a chance of people having something to prove? Who knows....


So what's the alternatives?

-Let it slide, and let us guys who respect the game of basketball and take a sim-mindset online keep losing to this kind of thing?
Make us adjust our games to the point where we're pretty much cheesing back? Where's the fun in that? The whole point is to win playing real ball, that's the most rewarding thing to do.

*It seems this is the route 2K has been taking...and it seems like the vast majority of online players are either:

a) okay with playing garbage, arcade basketball to win. Now this falls under two categories.
The one, is the common park player. Spots up, shoots some 3s. Does some fancy dribbles here or there. Dunks on a guy, catches a few oops. Doesn't really understand defense, reaches a lot but gets maybe a steal a game. Doesn't pass unless it's wide open, doesn't know how to create for teammates.
I play with or against these guys all the time, no big deal. I win with them and completely destroy the competition when it's full of them.
Second one though, is the guy(s) who goes all out. He knows all the exploits (and they're exploits like it or not). It's game 7 of the finals every game to this guy. He will do whatever it takes to win, literally. He goes on youtube to find every cheap trick in the book to win. He'll drop 15 himself because he knows there's no true way to counter his garbage. He thinks he's the greatest at 2K, because 2K allows him to do this...but at the same time he's still exploiting...more on this next segment..

b) the "it's what online is" kinda guys, who just refuse to think there's an alternative and when given one they scoff at it.
(sounds like most the people on here, which is actually shocking to me)

Or the other alternative:

Start suspending repeat offenders.

Why not? Why do you guys not agree with this? Is it because you are one of them? Otherwise I see no issue to argue against doing that; I'm like at a loss for words why this is even a disagreeable thing..

No matter how good you think you are, you're only ever a few good zig zag 3's away from having a game you think's in the bag, to being over. And I know if you play online it's happened to you.
I don't wanna hear the "random" excuse, just because you're playing against people you don't know shouldn't mean the game's borderline unplayable against these kinds of people.

My squad is great, but against a team of 3 or 5 of them exploiters (if they really know what they're doing), we don't even have a chance to win..nor do we even care enough to try hard to beat them. There's no point, when you got them kind of guys making the game look easy by exploiting that stuff. It's pathetic.

So if 2K/Microsoft/Sony gets enough complaints on a guy's username, maybe they should suspend him for 24 hours...doesn't get the hint? 48. He keeps abusing the game for wins? A week, etc.

Clean up online, make it fun to play randoms. It doesn't have to always be where people have that mindset going online knowing it's gonna be a cheesefest. This could be a solution that hasn't even been tried yet, so why be against it?

But like I said, agree or don't, I'm not arguing anymore; in my mind, if you disagree, you're either ignorant or a cheeser. You lose nothing with this method, but gain the probability of having a cleaner, more fun online time.