OS: Teach Me How Thread

[nip83]

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i've trying out this with the knicks:
1. poe play through anthony
2. triangle with freelance (not motion cuts)

i would say there is fair mix of low post (cutting from the weak side), mid range jumpers (coming from baseline screen), and high post play.

one thing i like abt triangle freelance play is that its less repetitive (and less predictive) than motion cuts. i also notice carmelo tends to have a step back animation just before he catch the ball at the spots (elbow, top of key, and corner 3). when this happens and i saw the defender is caught sleeping on defense, shoot it.

carmelo triple threat at the high post is deadly with these moves - jab step, fake the shot and drive or just shoot from the post.



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Also in regards to giving melo (or any sg/sf) post looks there are 2 other ways within the triangle motion/freelance sets.

1."Center Opposite"

After the 2 -pass to the top , sometimes the AI instead of flashing the weak side pinch post player,will send him to the wing(i believe it's called a "lag pass" but i may be wrong).
If you give him the ball to the wing ,this initiates "center opposite" where the top player runs to the corner ,the big is at the wing and a triangle on the weak side is formed when the opposite wing gets a screen to cut into the weak side low post.
If your initial triangle on the strong side(before the reversal to the top) featured melo at the wing, his new position on the weak side triangle will be in the low post.

2."Strong side pinch post"(or whatever it's called in actual triangle terminology)

After the 2 -pass to the top, you give the ball to the weak side pinch post flasher.You wait after the top guard cuts ,for the strong side pindown screen.If you dribble weave to the curler off the pindown ,now the curler is at the top and on the previously strong side there is one of the wings flashing on the pinch post.Depending on their initial positions it could be either melo or tim hardaway.
Unfortunately this second pinch post after the first action will leave you with few seconds on the shot clock.

But the most consistent way to get a post guard/wing their look in the high/low areas is to play with freelance triangle and POEs "feed the post" or "play through x player".

[nip83]

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One more pinch post option i remembered off the top of my head:

3."Quick strike pinch post(opposite side)"

You bring the ball with the weak side guard and give it to the weak side big.The guard now makes a cut to the corner and the opposite strong side big flashes to the low post forming a new triangle on the (previously)weak side.
If you wait it out and the big at the wing now, reverses the ball to the top, on the weak side there is the SF(formerly at the wing) for pinch post action.

Edit:I have a couple of videos i will upload showing how to trigger those above options (using only triangle motion) and a couple of kinks,options and shortcomings running center opposite.

[nip83]

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How to feed your wings on the pinch post using triangle/pinch post reversals.

In this instance i have Melo as the target(who usually plays the role of "wing" in the sideline triangle) and i only use Triangle with motion cuts to trigger those reversals.

You will have to excuse the quality a bit, but my laptop can't handle high quality settings(this is why you also see the empty seats).

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If you play as the Classic Chicago Bulls those reversals can have Michael Jordan as the target ,at the pinch post ,by using Pippen as the strong side ball handler (Tim Hardaway Jr usually in the video).Pippen made the role of point forward famous ,after all.

Same is achieved with the 00s Lakers with Kobe and Odom as the point forward.


You also have to understand that some of these variations happen situationally, like when the weak side big flashes to the elbow or when you hit the pass to the weak side early.

New York Knicks myLeague lineup:
PG Kendall Marshall(most of the time plays weak side guard)
SG Tim Hardaway Jr (usually strong side guard or 'lead guard')
SF Melo (when he doesn't bring the ball he plays the role of 'wing' in the triangle)
PF Anthony Davis
C Karl Towns Jr.

PF/C swap roles between low post(strong side) and pinch post or "FT line flasher"(weak side).

[JoFri]

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nip83 ya the man, have been looking out for this kind of videos with full illustration on the terms used. i've bookmarked this.

i always stopped at the pinch post flow by passing directly to the pinch post big man as instructed by the arrow). now i realise if i pass it to the guard at the top of the key then to the pinch post big man, the motion flow continues.

i also want to share da czar's tip that a good triangle offense with melo (or jordan) at the post can be executed via 2k smart play (after crossing half court) with poe melo (or jordan). i've tried it out last evening with my knicks and was very impressed with the cuts and screens.

thanks for all the great tips and vidz. lets keep it going.


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[2_headedmonster]

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i just want to know is there a way to keep all my players from running to the paint in transition rather than filling lanes and spacing intelligently?

[nip83]

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nip83 ya the man, have been looking out for this kind of videos with full illustration on the terms used. i've bookmarked this.

i always stopped at the pinch post flow by passing directly to the pinch post big man as instructed by the arrow). now i realise if i pass it to the guard at the top of the key then to the pinch post big man, the motion flow continues.

i also want to share da czar's tip that a good triangle offense with melo (or jordan) at the post can be executed via 2k smart play (after crossing half court) with poe melo (or jordan). i've tried it out last evening with my knicks and was very impressed with the cuts and screens.

thanks for all the great tips and vidz. lets keep it going.


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Thanks ,man ,it means a lot.

The triangle with motion cuts has been the sweetest frustration for me to run this year.It is not always effective ,and you will see in my videos i'm getting blown just to get the alignments right on each possesion.However it's endless in options.

It's late july ,i'm running the triangle since march(due to the Knicks myleague) ,and i'm still discovering new things to breakdown.These sets (reversals,center opposite etc) are not "money plays" though.Your best bet for an effective offense is still freelance with POEs.Freelance plays give you time and spacing to unleash Melo on the Pich post,Low post or elbow.

However ,for the hardcore triangle sim fan ,there are actions in triangle motion cuts that cannot be replicated any other way.Imagine that i have to split the "center opposite" series into 2 videos(shameless promo ) ,cause of all the options availlable.

I have a surprise for you next video.It was a surprise for me also. It goes beyond the 4 basic options of the triangle(n2 pass to the post,n2 pass to the top,n2 pass to the ft line flasher and n2 pass to the corner). Like a hidden set to be discovered.

I can only say two words. "Pressure Releases".

[JoFri]

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looking forward to yor videos!


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[KobeFan734]

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How do I get started playing a Sim style in 2k? I never really wanted to play like this until I seen JerseyMade vids(lol). I'm interested in using the Pelicans.

[QNo]

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It's late july ,i'm running the triangle since march(due to the Knicks myleague) ,and i'm still discovering new things to breakdown.These sets (reversals,center opposite etc) are not "money plays" though.Your best bet for an effective offense is still freelance with POEs.Freelance plays give you time and spacing to unleash Melo on the Pich post,Low post or elbow.

I loved your video, it was the first tutorial on the Triangle that showed me several things I did not already know about it. I mostly use Freelance Actions with Play through ... and P&R Offense as POEs. Which POEs would you recommend? Not looking for money plays obviously, just some decent looks. A manual weakside PnR is quite effective if that's where you're bringing the ball up. Looking forward to the next video.

[JerzeyReign]

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Yeah Nip I liked that video too. I forget who I was in a party chat with and tried to explain the triangle to but when I remember, they're going to watch that video.

Good stuff. OS continuing to lead the way!

[ThreeKing]

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I don't know where to put this, so I'll ask here:

Does the VC transfer over from '15 to '16?

Thanks in advance!

[nip83]

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Thanks family. My editing skills ,though, are very bad, and even on low quality my laptop lags like dwight on the FT line ,but i believe i have to show some of the depth of the freelance systems this year(thanks Czar) ,from a sim pov.

As far as POEs and freelance,it all depends on what kind of offense you want to run ,and the individual matchups on your team. A couple of points:

-Triangle Motion is not for everyone.Against the Cpu sometimes i get a lot of double digit turnovers in one half.Imagine vs online competition ,you have to protect the ball at all times(with protect stance or Y) and sometimes be prepared to read and react.Those reads won't be 100% correct at the speed of the game, and the wrong reads are quite punishing in this system.

-The triangle is the antithesis to the modern gamer.It is deliberate,it has some slow actions and their counters sometimes don't trigger ,so you have to rely on some isos at the end of possesions and a special scorer to bail you out(as irl too).However ,online, this slow pace can be a competitive advantage, cause some people get irritated if the game is slow paced and a grind fest.As JerseyReign has showed playing triangle online, some people will quit early out of boredom(they expect to play zig zag and fast breaks all game).

-If you play with PnR as your POE, i believe you handicap yourself in this system.There are far more effective systems like pace or 4out1in to play PNR.The triangle is not a dribble drive dominated offense.Although the weak side PnR is quite money, when the defense trys to stop that with 3 players ,the spacing is far from ideal to begin a series of swing passes for an open shot.

-The triangle at its core, is an offense that creates 4 things:
1.Exploit matchups(meaning that if you have a good matchup vs a weak defensive player ,you go to that POE).
2.Get your best players in good spots and play the 2 man game with yr stars(eg. a Kyrie -Lebron or a Durant-Westbrook pinch post action).
3.Keep your role players occupied and productive(assists for bigmen,corner shots for shooters,backdoor cuts for slashers) so your stars can get to work in the 4th qtr.
4.Provide a toolbox of options to react against any type of defense or pressure(i'm working on this concept as we speak) ,by not fighting fire with fire ,but by using those defensive choices against them.

-POEs on triangle freelance are dependent on your personnel and your opponent.

Let me give you an example.Vs the Wizards (in myleague) i play with "Feed the post","patient" and "crash offensive glass".
The reason for this is that WAS is one of the most athletic teams in the league.They kill me on fast breaks so my only hope is to slow the game,bang in the post (it's called the triple post offense for a reason),and try to offset some of their transition game with offensive boards(the scouting report also said they are below avg in rebounding).

So the most effective way for me to play in freelance(with quick plays) is either feed the post and patient or neutral and average so i can get a full spectrum of plays.
At times during the game i change POEs to play through player when i have a good matchup(e.g. the bullying Melo on Otto Porter).
Play through player takes the dominant play types of x player and runs quick plays out of that playtype, so keep that in mind too.

[LorenzoDC]

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Thanks family. My editing skills ,though, are very bad, and even on low quality my laptop lags like dwight on the FT line ,but i believe i have to show some of the depth of the freelance systems this year(thanks Czar) ,from a sim pov.

As far as POEs and freelance,it all depends on what kind of offense you want to run ,and the individual matchups on your team. A couple of points:

-Triangle Motion is not for everyone.Against the Cpu sometimes i get a lot of double digit turnovers in one half.Imagine vs online competition ,you have to protect the ball at all times(with protect stance or Y) and sometimes be prepared to read and react.Those reads won't be 100% correct at the speed of the game, and the wrong reads are quite punishing in this system.

-The triangle is the antithesis to the modern gamer.It is deliberate,it has some slow actions and their counters sometimes don't trigger ,so you have to rely on some isos at the end of possesions and a special scorer to bail you out(as irl too).However ,online, this slow pace can be a competitive advantage, cause some people get irritated if the game is slow paced and a grind fest.As JerseyReign has showed playing triangle online, some people will quit early out of boredom(they expect to play zig zag and fast breaks all game).

-If you play with PnR as your POE, i believe you handicap yourself in this system.There are far more effective systems like pace or 4out1in to play PNR.The triangle is not a dribble drive dominated offense.Although the weak side PnR is quite money, when the defense trys to stop that with 3 players ,the spacing is far from ideal to begin a series of swing passes for an open shot.

-The triangle at its core, is an offense that creates 4 things:
1.Exploit matchups(meaning that if you have a good matchup vs a weak defensive player ,you go to that POE).
2.Get your best players in good spots and play the 2 man game with yr stars(eg. a Kyrie -Lebron or a Durant-Westbrook pinch post action).
3.Keep your role players occupied and productive(assists for bigmen,corner shots for shooters,backdoor cuts for slashers) so your stars can get to work in the 4th qtr.
4.Provide a toolbox of options to react against any type of defense or pressure(i'm working on this concept as we speak) ,by not fighting fire with fire ,but by using those defensive choices against them.

-POEs on triangle freelance are dependent on your personnel and your opponent.

Let me give you an example.Vs the Wizards (in myleague) i play with "Feed the post","patient" and "crash offensive glass".
The reason for this is that WAS is one of the most athletic teams in the league.They kill me on fast breaks so my only hope is to slow the game,bang in the post (it's called the triple post offense for a reason),and try to offset some of their transition game with offensive boards(the scouting report also said they are below avg in rebounding).

So the most effective way for me to play in freelance(with quick plays) is either feed the post and patient or neutral and average so i can get a full spectrum of plays.
At times during the game i change POEs to play through player when i have a good matchup(e.g. the bullying Melo on Otto Porter).
Play through player takes the dominant play types of x player and runs quick plays out of that playtype, so keep that in mind too.

This is exactly the kind of info and video tutorial content needed, not just for triangle, but for all the play systems. I love it.

Great work on this. Absolutely first rate.

[nip83]

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This is exactly the kind of info and video tutorial content needed, not just for triangle, but for all the play systems. I love it.

Great work on this. Absolutely first rate.

Υou have to check DC_bigavelli videos too.

https://www.youtube.com/user/DCKRS202

He breaks down a lot of the 3-2,4-1, swing offenses.

And https://www.youtube.com/user/saluteme757 for pace.

[fatleg3]

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Im killing it on the offensive boards running a pace and space with a good rebounding center like Chandler and the mavs. Most of the time its a one on one battle for the ball with the 4 playing outside. Its almost an automatic rebound when the opposing center does not box out.

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