An In-Depth Look at the Changes to the NBA 2K16 Ratings System

[SpeedyClaxton]

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1. ...Iverson WAS compared to greats during his run (of course, he was he was also majorly overrated, given tangible evidence that doesn't apply to Stephen Curry or the Warriors).

2. Iverson called it quits two years after NBA teams chose not to sign him, and there have been plenty of articles written about him that present him in a less than positive light (that he was an alcoholic)



Should they have? Did anyone root for the Bulls before they got Jordan? The NBA is a star's league compared to the NFL or MLB.




This is an effect of free agency. 20-30 years ago NBA franchises had much more roster stability... Of course, stars frequently found themselves beholden to terrible contracts (Scottie Pippen: 20 million TOTAL over 7 years) and would have bolted in a heartbeat given the opportunity.

There is a great deal more roster turnover nowadays which is why fans are more likely to "jump ship".

Also, I'm pretty sure the Warriors have earned their fans, new or old. How can one watch them play and not be a fan of the team? I have little interest in Geographical lines on a map dictating who I am supposed to like in the 21st century (not to mention the advents of the modern age like NBATV, League Pass, the internet, etc etc etc cater to the ease of access to whatever team a person deems fit to follow).



Are fans supposed to pay big money to watch a lottery team?



Disagree with this sentiment wholeheartedly.

Jordan, Bird, Magic, Shaq all came in and had immediate impact, nobody followed them because of "possible potential". Were Karl Malone fans all band wagoners because his first two seasons were mediocre? How many fans did Dirk Nowitzki have coming into the league (I imagine this number was not tangibly different from Andrea Bargnani).

God forbid fans recognize that a player worked his *** off to elevate his stature (or vice versa)... nevermind that the vast majority of fans don't see these players before they even enter the league... so how are they going to form opinions on them without context?



Curry has already won MVP and a championship but I guess this sounded like a good comparison in your head. Lin's impact was primarily cultural and took place in a market absolutely starved for quality basketball.



I could have sworn the same thing was said about Jordan 25 years ago, when calling him the "GOAT, end of discussion" would have been blasphemous, given that he was coming off the tails of Magic/Bird (and to a lesser extent Russell/Wilt).



....Granted, Carter is the 10th man, hasn't been a starter in 4 years, is playing on his 5th team in 8 years, but sure, admirable restraint, I guess that puts you a leg up on the "nobody cares" spectrum of the fair weather fan validity debate.




...It's almost as if.... we have this instantaneous... impact, success, these numbers... why, it's almost as if they're right at our finger tips? By god, where am I? I'm ONLINE???????

*Exits Browser*

I respect your opinion on every single sentence you wrote, fact is you are driven by the numbers and facts. You follow NBA ten times more than a regular fan and your knowledge of advanced stats is deep and comprehensive whereas i can't disucuss with you in such direction because as much as i love and watch basketball i'm not that much into every single thing that happens especially in stats category.


Secondly i would add that by no means i dismiss Curry's great and unbeliveable run he's having, i'm just advocating to start comparing when all is said and done. He won MVP award and a championship last year, this year MVP title is about 99% in his hands and championship as well almost certain thing. Comparing him now to all-time greats is premature decision because he is in his prime and this whole comparing thing sounds lot more reasonable when someone career is over, like now Kobe's.


I would add also regarding this discussion that i'm old-school basketball lover, in reality that means 90% of people are in awe of new era centers/forwards alias DeAndre Jordan, Blake Griffin and of course their highflying acrobatics would always score more points in general public than a good footwork or impeccable post moves. While i still enjoy those little feints, pump fakes, shimmy fakes and all in between but also at the same time i know what attracts most of fans out there.


How can one watch them play and not be a fan of the team? This sentence i wouldn't agree with because since i own League Pass i watch majority of games but at the same time i'm not fan of let's say 90% of these teams. Last night i watched Washington vs Philly not because of great basketball but to see can Philly put up a surprise and stun Wizards @ home and they were close but not enough in the 4th quarter. I have teams that i dislike such as Miami Heat but i still watch their games because i'm fan of game not of some specific player or team. Many times lowrated lottery teams provided tight games and OT thrill rather than these teams fans pay big money to watch as you say.

[8KB24]

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Nobody is arguing that MJ>Curry overall but this season is probably the most dominant season we ever saw. A singular season compared to another singular season. Which was proven to you in the other thread...or this one...who knows. Anyway, Curry shoots better from every single spot better than MJ and averages better number per 100 possession than MJ, both simple and advanced stats. IIRC MJ only beats him in steals and blocks and is better defender. But you cannot for the love of God immediately refuse the thought of Curry being on par with MJ during a singular season. Not even arguing multiple seasons - a singular season.

[Real2KInsider]

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Are you talking about Curry being GOAT shooter, or GOAT overall?

Shooter. He's a wee-bit more than a spot-up shooter though, he is the best scoring shooter we have ever seen, to the point that he is a more efficient scorer than Michael Jordan was. These are tangible measurements. Curry is going to hit 350 threes this year and Jordan hit 581 in his entire damn career. That is a tangible measurement.

Also, not everybody gets eclipsed. As a scorer, I don't think Jordan will be eclipsed.

Sure, Jordan was better with his back to the basket than Curry is, and was certainly the better athlete/finisher. But he wasn't crossing over and pulling from 25 with a hand in his face either. The kicker is one of those situations is worth more points than the other. Curry can be a "better scorer" without learning the same "scoring" moves Jordan had to learn.

Jordan's best scoring season: 61 TS% on 34 USG% (1990)
Curry right now: 69 TS% on 33 USG%

Curry leads the league in TS% and is 2nd in USG rate.

If the season ended today his TS% would be the 10th best mark in NBA history. On a league leading Usage rate. THAT IS UNHEARD OF.

In other words it's something Jordan never did. Jordan lead the league in USG rate EIGHT times, but he was top 10 in TS% only once. That's top-10 in a season, NOT on the all-time list.

Curry is doing something that even Jordan never could.... which means we get to have these conversations that make Jordan-philes ever uncomfortable.

As a point forward, I don't see LeBron being eclipsed.

They said we'd never see another Magic Johnson or Larry Bird. Yet here we are in 2016 and LeBron is a 4-time MVP and Durant a 4-time scoring champ. What makes Jordan or any other player so special that they'll never be eclipsed? Fuzzies?

It's ridiculous to say Curry could surpass Jordan, off the back of one elite season.

It's on the back of one season that is superior to any that Jordan ever had, which is quite different than what you're inferring.

[Real2KInsider]

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One true MVP season (no way should he have won last year)

Good job rooting yourself out as biased and non-credible. Curry met all the qualifications the media measurably weighs and his only competition was James ****ing Harden. LOL please, please tell us who Curry robbed.

*Crickets*

[richard2001]

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Shooter. He's a wee-bit more than a spot-up shooter though, he is the best scoring shooter we have ever seen, to the point that he is a more efficient scorer than Michael Jordan was. These are tangible measurements. Curry is going to hit 350 threes this year and Jordan hit 581 in his entire damn career. That is a tangible measurement.



Sure, Jordan was better with his back to the basket than Curry is, and was certainly the better athlete/finisher. But he wasn't crossing over and pulling from 25 with a hand in his face either. The kicker is one of those situations is worth more points than the other. Curry can be a "better scorer" without learning the same "scoring" moves Jordan had to learn.

Jordan's best scoring season: 61 TS% on 34 USG% (1990)
Curry right now: 69 TS% on 33 USG%

Curry leads the league in TS% and is 2nd in USG rate.

If the season ended today his TS% would be the 10th best mark in NBA history. On a league leading Usage rate. THAT IS UNHEARD OF.



They said we'd never see another Magic Johnson or Larry Bird. Yet here we are in 2016 and LeBron is a 4-time MVP and Durant a 4-time scoring champ. What makes Jordan or any other player so special that they'll never be eclipsed? Fuzzies?



It's on the back of one season that is superior to any that Jordan ever had, which is quite different than what you're inferring.

This season is better than any Jordan ever had? I don't care about all your advanced metrics, Jordan is the greatest scorer of all time. He'd do even better in today's guard oriented league.

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[richard2001]

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Good job rooting yourself out as biased and non-credible. Curry met all the qualifications the media weighs and his only competition was James ****ing Harden. LOL please tell us who your clear MVP was that Curry robbed.

*Crickets*

James Harden. It's most valuable player. Hell, LeBron was more valuable to the cavs last year than Curry was to the warriors. It's not really MVP, it's more "who the media views as the best". If it were really most valuable, LeBron should have won from 2006-2014, and maybe last year.

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[Real2KInsider]

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This season is better than any Jordan ever had? I don't care about all your advanced metrics, Jordan is the greatest scorer of all time. He'd do even better in today's guard oriented league.

Well that was certainly informative and full of context. I'm glad we didn't have this talk.

[richard2001]

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Well that was certainly informative and full of context. I'm glad we didn't have this talk.

Are you telling me that Steph is a better scorer and MJ, and that today's league isn't guard oriented?

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[Real2KInsider]

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James Harden. It's most valuable player. Hell, LeBron was more valuable to the cavs last year than Curry was to the warriors. It's not really MVP, it's more "who the media views as the best". If it were really most valuable, LeBron should have won from 2006-2014, and maybe last year.

Cavs w/ LeBron: 53 wins
Rockets w/ Harden: 54 wins
Warriors w/ Curry: 67 wins

LOL if you really think the Warriors would be doing this without Curry then you haven't been paying attention

The fact that you even drag LeBron's name out means you haven't done your research on the topic and frankly shouldn't be commenting (and again, shows your bias). He missed 13 games last year which is way too many for legitimate consideration.

[richard2001]

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Cavs w/ LeBron: 53 wins
Rockets w/ Harden: 54 wins
Warriors w/ Curry: 67 wins

LOL if you really think the Warriors would be doing this without Curry then you haven't been paying attention

The fact that you even drag LeBron's name out means you haven't done your research on the topic and frankly shouldn't be commenting (and again, shows your bias). He missed 13 games last year which is way too many for legitimate consideration.

You're acting like Curry's supporting cast, team chemistry and system aren't twice as good as the others.

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[Real2KInsider]

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Are you telling me that Steph is a better scorer and MJ

Stephen Curry is a much better 3-point shooter off the dribble, off a screen, off a pick, and/or with a hand in his face. He does this even though teams gameplan around it and throw the kitchen sink at it. This tangibly makes him a more efficient scorer than Michael Jordan who likewise took his share of contested shots, except they were all worth one point less.

and that today's league isn't guard oriented?

I highly doubt you know what this term means and how it applies to the modern league relative to any player from 20-30 years ago, much less Michael Jordan.

[Real2KInsider]

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You're acting like Curry's supporting cast, team chemistry and system aren't twice as good as the others.

Whereas you're acting like the others were actually better enough than Curry for it to matter.

[richard2001]

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Stephen Curry is a much better 3-point shooter off the dribble, off a screen, off a pick, and/or with a hand in his face. He does this even though teams gameplan around it and throw the kitchen sink at it. This tangibly makes him a more efficient scorer than Michael Jordan who likewise took his share of contested shots, except they were all worth one point less.



I highly doubt you know what this term means and how it applies to the modern league relative to any player from 20-30 years ago, much less Michael Jordan.

The league was more physical in the 90s, plus no 3 in the key made it much more difficult to finish. And I never said Steph wasn't way better as a 3 point shooter. I said he isn't as good of a pure scorer as MJ.

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[Speedy]

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People.

Go to the NBA forum if you want to discuss whether Curry is the best shooter, has the best team/teammates, etc.

Keep this thread about 2K and in specific: ratings.

[richard2001]

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Whereas you're acting like the others were actually better enough than Curry for it to matter.

Oh so having 2 all stars and a crazy deep bench doesn't matter? Having an amazing system that gets him tons of open looks doesn't matter? Don't even bring up Love and Kyrie for LeBron. They might be all-star backups, but the cavs bench isn't as good as the warriors.

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