An In-Depth Look at the Changes to the NBA 2K16 Ratings System

[ojandpizza]

An In-Depth Look at the Changes to the NBA 2K16 Ratings System

So Jordan beating Reggie Miller, who's nowhere near a top 50 player, and a bunch of role players with he and Pippen by far the best shooting guard and by far the best small forward in the league, as most any other "contender" was strictly because of a good center, was a big challenge for them?

Miami Heat squad with Mourning, Tim and not much else was a tall task?

Ewing and role players?

Shaq, Penny, and not one other double digit scorer?

Bullets with Rod Strickand as their leading scorer?

Hawks with Mookie Blaylock as a leading scorer?

Hornets with Rice and Divac?

Don't get me wrong, Bulls played some solid teams but nothing that was up to par with them. Reggie vs Jordan? Rex Chapman vs Jordan? Anderson and Scott vs Jordan/Pippen, Starks vs Jordan, Cheaney and Howard vs Jordan/Pippen, those match ups are astronomically apart.

People fail to realize just how large of an advantage Jordan/Pippen duo had. The next best SG and SF were MILES behind them. And even if they happened to face the next best in line there wasn't two of them on a same team like Chicago.

Reggie's 98 squad took them to 7, honestly shouldn't have went more than 5, but aside from that the Bulls final 3 peat match ups went 29 and 4.. And 29 win and 4 loss record against those teams isn't easy??? What do you consider easy then?

IMO those Miami squads, which outside of LeBron, Wade, Bosh weren't all that great anyways, beating Celtics big 3, Indy, LeBron beating Chicago this year, IMO those are all tougher match ups than probably anything that Bulls squad faced once they hit the 90's, other than probably the 92 Knicks.. And that's only because McDaniel was making Pippen his bitch lol.

Jordan did face some loaded teams in the 80's.. And he didn't have Pippen or Phil yet. And that's why he was losing.


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[2_headedmonster]

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Not that easy. It's the Derrick Rose situation all over again. They know what he can do while healthy but hasn't been over the course of the full season for a while. Kobe & Rose will get an 80+ rating once again this year because at the top of their game, they're top 10-20 players.

i get that thinking and Kobe is my favorite player, but that wouldn't be true to the system they claim to have laid out.

[Rockie_Fresh88]

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There is absolutely nothing to suggest that multiple players can't have 99s in a rating, especially at something as subjective as dunking.

The only thing 2K said was that they would be expanding their scales, because elite players would often break the scale and deserve much higher than the maximum rating.

IIRC their 1996 Michael Jordan model has been around 107 Overall for a number of years, meaning you could drop his mid-range rating by 70 points before even seeing a dent in his "99 OVR". That was one of the reasons for wanting to create more separation, because it's confusing for fans to see trash James Harden only a couple points below Jordan... especially since anyone who has used Jordan in the last few years knows just how broken he is.

More over, with all the Pink Diamonds coming out that boost MyTeam legend ratings to even more absurd proportions, one needs them to be lower rated at the start for the upgrades to be perceived as something to be sought out.

What about the boosts from badges ? And hotspots

[Trackball]

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While some look at the past with rose-tinted goggles I personally think the college 3pt line of the 1995-97 made the NBA a bonafide joke. I loved the NBA at this time, but I was simply too too young to understand how unbalanced it made the league. It is not a surprise that the Bulls won 72/69 games subsequently in 96 and 97 and that no team has come close.

So what does that make the Rockets, who won under BOTH conditions?

Also: College? College was 19'9". That shortened NBA line was 22 feet even.

Still a dumb idea in hindsight to move it, but if we're going to be disregarding that second title on a technicality like so many others have...

Would you throw away the Spurs' first title, because the season was 50 games?
Would you throw away the Heat's 2012 title, because the season was 66 games?
Would you throw away the Warriors' 2015 title because both Kyrie and Love were out?

But I've derailed this thread enough with my Rocket Red rage.

(Oh, by the way: Scoring went DOWN throughout the league when that shorter arc was used, because then players who shouldn't have been shooting threes then decided to try it.)

[stillfeelme]

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Not that easy. It's the Derrick Rose situation all over again. They know what he can do while healthy but hasn't been over the course of the full season for a while. Kobe & Rose will get an 80+ rating once again this year because at the top of their game, they're top 10-20 players.

I feel like this Kobe athletically should be rated as a 37 year old player way past his prime.

His actual shooting ratings and tendencies should be heavily slanted towards his play towards the last two years. Kobe shot selection last year was so bad man it was just horrible. He took so many contested jumpers and missed so many of them.

So if I play against the Lakers I want Kobe taking bad shots with a heavy usage rate, touch tendency and he should be missing a lot of them.

Kobe took almost 10 contested jumpers a game or tightly contested of his 20 FGA. When the majority of the shots you can get off are contested jumpers it says your athleticism has faded and you can't blow by defenders anymore. The Lakers were better per possession with Kobe off the court

I have a feeling Kobe will be somewhere in the 81-83 range. His defense is not there anymore if you look up his defense stats. Players actually shot better when guarded by Kobe.

[BluFu]

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I feel like this Kobe athletically should be rated as a 37 player way past his prime.

His actual shooting ratings and tendencies should be heavily slanted towards his play towards the last two years. Kobe shot selection last year was so bad man it was just horrible. He took so many contested jumpers and missed so many of them.

So if I play against the Lakers I want Kobe taking bad shots with a heavy usage rate, touch tendency and he should be missing a lot of them.

Kobe took almost 10 contested jumpers a game or tightly contested of his 20 FGA. When the majority of the shots you can get off are contested jumpers it says your athleticism has faded and you can't blow by defenders anymore. The Lakers were better per possession with Kobe off the court

I have a feeling Kobe will be somewhere in the 81-83 range. His defense is not there anymore if you look up his defense stats. Players actually shot better when guarded by Kobe.

All true but you can't ignore his 12-13 season either where he was very healthy for the most part putting up numbers no 34+ year old has before.

Now that you bring up those stats, I'm extremely interested to see what kind of rating Iverson is going to get.

[stillfeelme]

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All true but you can't ignore his 12-13 season either where he was very healthy for the most part putting up numbers no 34+ year old has before.

Now that you bring up those stats, I'm extremely interested to see what kind of rating Iverson is going to get.

Yeah but he is not there anymore Kobe is 37 he has played too many minutes. If I had to guess the championship Iverson is going to be somewhere in the upper 80's. High speed, layup, dribbling and probably steal rating

[Sundown]

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While some look at the past with rose-tinted goggles I personally think the college 3pt line of the 1995-97 made the NBA a bonafide joke. I loved the NBA at this time, but I was simply too too young to understand how unbalanced it made the league. It is not a surprise that the Bulls won 72/69 games subsequently in 96 and 97 and that no team has come close.



Jordan 3PT
Short Line (95-97): 238-589 (40.4%, 1.3 per game)
Normal Line: 343-1189 (28.8%, 0.3 per game)

Whaa? How does the shortened three point line benefit only Jordan and the Bulls? Every other team was shooting from the same shortened line. Unless it was being repainted every half just for the Bulls.


Now the three point stats during that period are obviously skewed but I don't see how it provides some sort of unfair advantage for Jordan alone. How does a rule that applies to every shooter unbalance the league? Because Jordan was somehow uniquely better than everyone at shooting extreme long 2's?



/headscratch

[Real2KInsider]

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Would you throw away the Spurs' first title, because the season was 50 games?
Would you throw away the Heat's 2012 title, because the season was 66 games?
Would you throw away the Warriors' 2015 title because both Kyrie and Love were out?

I think you are more or less missing my point given that I was initially discussing conference balance.

[ReyTV]

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Watcha talkn bout? [emoji61]🏾


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Yooo what ya talking about? [emoji102]


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spamming threads and trolling.

Bye

[Real2KInsider]

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Whaa? How does the shortened three point line benefit only Jordan and the Bulls? Every other team was shooting from the same shortened line. Unless it was being repainted every half just for the Bulls.

No other team was as equipped to take advantage of the changes, which is why they dominated to the degree that they did.

1996: 115.2 ORTG (1st), 40.3 3PT% (3rd), 13.1 TO% (1st), 36.9 ORB% (1st)
1997: 114.4 ORTG (1st), 37.3 3PT% (6th), 12.5 TO% (1st), 35.9 ORB% (2nd)
1998: 107.7 ORTG (9th), 32.3 3PT% (23rd), 13.3 TO% (4th), 35.7 ORB% (2nd)

Find the variable.

[I Djm]

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#HallOfFameDifficultySetting Hey I don't blame anyone who says that Hall Of Fame difficulty is fake. But I also don't stand by them too much because I for one don't know how to do a video game. So I don't slander. I only slander 2k when they take something away that they had in mint condition the year before.

I will say, that it is a very dangerous experience to try to win [emoji28]. From health to psychological issues, if the CPU is playing that good on hall of fame difficulty, the user and user's cpu teammates should hold some leverage not even get a grip but be able to relax while playing the video game. As opposed to relaxing while trying to win. In other words, open shots, fouls, cpu teammates, transition basketball. . . All those sliders should stay the same vs the game on the half court.

I remember trying to earn more VC on 2k15 playing on HOF. Had to stop, after beginning to doubt my intelligence watching all those contested shots going in right btwn the eyes of my entire team, per difficulty setting. [emoji102]


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The sliders don't change the cpu gets a boost to all stats then add in they know how to play the system.

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[I Djm]

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This. Lol at comparing the east in Jordan's day to now.


In the 80's/90's, the East was equivalent to what the west is today. As great as they were, are we forgetting that the '87 Lakers had to beat the 37 win Nuggets, 42 win Warriors, and 39 win Sonics just to get to the Finals from the west? Now, of course they bet the Bird-led Celtics so it essentially somewhat doesn't make their competition look as lopsided but it shows that their road TO THE Finals wasn't that tough. Or the fact that the '91-'93/'96-'98 Bulls had to beat five 57+ win teams ('92 Cavs, '93 Knicks, '96 Magic, '97 Heat, '98 Pacers) just to get to the Finals? And I mean BEAT them, not just face them.


People always point out that Jordan was 1-9 in the P/O before Pippen came, completely ignoring the fact that Pippen was a role player in '88 and '89 while the Bulls got to the ECSF and ECF, losing both times to Detroit. When MJ got swept in '86 and '87, it was by those same Bird-led Celtics that were on the same tier as the Showtime Lakers adding to the equation that Orlando "Crackhead" Woolridge and Charles Oakley were the Bulls' 2nd options.


Is it LeBron's fault that the East is so weak right now? No.
Are we blaming him? No.


But to blatantly ignore how easy the road to the Finals from the East is and kiss LBJ's feet for shooting 40%FG vs the Bulls and Hawks is ignorance. His 3 previous runs were greater because of his greater play (efficiency), particularly '11 when the Heat beat the 56 win Celtics and 62 win Bulls.

Aye 11' heat v bulls was rigged don't speak of it again

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[I Djm]

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Mike mentioned team chemistry is more important this year. I really hope it means it's what I've wanted for some time-- good shot distribution and expected touches needed to keep teammates involved and humming in a game in all modes, and players who are frozen out being cold and upset. And I want this in ALL games and modes.

This would affect everything holistically for the better, from better game to game simulation, to more realistic MyCareer, to a more realistic approach to team building in association-- to even MyTeam, so you can't just build a team full of superstars. I want to see attempting that being a challenging endeavor itself, just like it is in real life.

Holy nuts. 37% and sub 30 from three. I'd give Kobe a 78 just to be generous.

We'll see but im betting teammates still gonna miss too many open looks and won't be to takeover especially if their the star of the team

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