How do i get past CPU?

[Ownal0t]

Re: How do i get past CPU?

well this topic took off.

i kept playing and i was actually able to keep the knicks in a game vs the rockets by using what the game gave me instead of trying to force something. having patience works alot along with the size up thing

the problem i have are that people like kyle korver are playing me like they are Tony Allen, and locking me up. along with the fact that when people play onball and fail, they go to offball d to lock people up for them. this combined with the fact that the Cpu seems to react fast to the PNR or plays, is annoying.


why is the mentality when someone makes a topic here something along the lines off "Oh He is a cheeser who cant cheese anymore" maybe this is why people seem so scared to ask questions sometimes.


and to answer the question that was brought up to me,
i play on Pro, 5 min quarters

[swac07]

Re: How do i get past CPU?

So my question is this have any of you guys messed with the sliders to get the game to play to your liking?

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[Smirkin Dirk]

Re: How do i get past CPU?

I encourage everyone to go mess around in 1 on 1 in blacktop. I just did for an hour. I played as Kyrie vs Wall and then Calderon.

1. There is a noticeable difference in defensive ability between Wall and Calderon.

2. Calderon plays differently. He hung back and was almost willing to give up the jumper. Wall was more aggressive.

3. The size ups work really well. Practise them and learn the best launch points.

4.Take what the defender gives you. Sometimes a straight turbo drive is the best move.

5. I like the riding 'animation' where the ball handler pushes into the defender who rides him on the drive.

6. I think the defenders are too sticky, but only slightly. When I start my GM, I may drop the on ball D slider but only by 5-10 clicks, if at all.

[sirjam]

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The main issue I'm having is exploding out of launch points. He jus seems to not be explosive in the launches

[Smirkin Dirk]

Re: How do i get past CPU?

The main issue I'm having is exploding out of launch points. He jus seems to not be explosive in the launches

Who are you playing with?

[LO6IX]

Re: How do i get past CPU?

I'm about to throw my TV and PS4 out the window the more I hear about gamers have difficulties with the CPU defense, especially when they just got the game. Did I say I'm having difficulty or did I say that the contact is excessive?

"I was able to do well on All-Star, Superstar, Hall of Fame last year, but I can't anymore. I don't want to put in work to get better at the game. I need to be able to do it NOW. But I already practiced 10 times and I still can't do it. I want to be great at this game within 2 days, and even better if I could be great within 6 hours at launch. Sees video of someone able to do it, "oh I guess you can beat the CPU defender, how do you do it?"
Again, did I say I was having difficulty or that bumping was excessive? The dribbles aren't as responsive as last year, plus they brought back the auto-hesitation which gives your defender time to recover and suck you into an animation.

Maybe these people's stick skills are simply not good. There are people able to blow by the 2k16 CPU defenders. What does that say about people not able to replicate the blow by ... yeah you need practice... Definitely need practice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvvYHKI6kWM

Yes, maybe a certain 2k16 defender has a terrible defensive rating but why should that automatically mean you should be able to blow by the defender on day one without having put in the work. Even if you have put in the work, maybe you're simply doing it wrong. Up your stick skills in practice mode, seriously. It may take a day, a week, a month. After you master your stick skills, you'll be able to blow by your defenders just like those who have come before. What does this have to do with guys warping through screens to bump me? Why should Greivis Vasquez or Calderon defend like Tony Allen or Beverly? How realistic is it for Calderon to run through a Shaquille O'Neal screen like it wasn't there? There needs to balance. Seperate the good defenders from the bad. Should Kendrick Perkins be able to play like Hakeem? He has bad offensive ratings but that shouldn't mean he should automatically play bad on offense right?

You can overcome a challenge but you can't overcome boredom beating an easy CPU.

I hope 2k increases the on ball defense difficulty 10 folds in patch one and tweet do you want fries with that wine.

Let's just drop the defense difficulty, up the offense effectiveness, allow more offensive cheese tactics, and ruin another NBA2k basketball game just because people choose not to practice until you have a very solid handle on the sticks. And absolutely yes, if you nerf the defense, offensive cheese tactics will come to fruition. Period. Where in my post did I even say anything close to that? If a player lacks lateral quickness than they shouldn't be able to guard quicker players. The CPU and other users should be smart enough to switch the matchups or take them out of the game.

Quit trying to feed your ego and drop the difficulty level. Please for heaven sake.

It is the same on every difficulty. I'm 3-0 vs HOF CPU and 5-1 on Play Now Online (Even won with the Knicks). I think I'm doing fine. I'd advice you to calm down and stop judging people you don't know on the internet.

[swac07]

Re: How do i get past CPU?

So my question is this have any of you guys messed with the sliders to get the game to play to your liking?

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Guess not..

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[LO6IX]

Re: How do i get past CPU?

Question is...what constitutes a "bad" defender to you?

Someone who lets you do dribble moves and run past them?

Nah dude....Even Jose Calderon can put pressure on you and force you to do things you don't want to...he's not a "bad" defender...he's just slow. He's a SMART player.

Smarts = defense. Physical attributes highlight the smarts.

Your job on offense is to take advantage of the physical liabilities of the person guarding you...that doesn't mean you get to go 1 on 1 and break them every time. Try moving without the ball getting them in screens, get them moving around, a.k.a use your teammates....everything isn't an And 1 mixtape highlight dawg.

This is an NBA simulation.

Come on yall.

But can Calderon move his feet fast enough to stay in front of quick guards? I've seen him as a Raptor and against the Raptors and he is not a smart defender. Is he strong enough to stay with Bledsoe or Lowry on a drive? No. He's a defensive liabilty in real life. My Results History in Play Now Online shows that I've had 19, 23, 20, and 14 assists. Seems like I'm using my teammates pretty well.

[LO6IX]

Re: How do i get past CPU?

Even better, we should show it...

Difference between now and 2011 is we all have share buttons on our controllers...

A couple of folks have posted videos of what has been successful from them....this thread doesn't have to turn into another paragraph fest...

It's not like if can't be improved....so let's show the dev's firsthand..


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Xbox clips don't go online until the 29th

[swac07]

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Xbox clips don't go online until the 29th

i make the clip via the xbox upload app and make sure onedrive is clicked..it will save to one drive regardless if xbox isnt letting them be viewed yet. I download the clip from onedrive to my pc/phone and upload it to youtube...#BeatTheSystem

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[miz468]

Re: How do i get past CPU?

Didn't read the whole thread, so this may have been mentioned, but...

Get your post game working and when they start sagging off the perimeter, kick it out. Then you can pull the open 3 or use the computer's momentum against then and drive by.

I play with Dallas, so my squad is pretty slow altogether, but if I get Dirk going, I can kick it to Wes Matthews or Chandler Parsons, or hit Deron Williams on a cut to the basket.

Lots of ways to spread the defense out. Just gotta work with it.

This is on All-Star with default sliders by the way.

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[Kese86]

Re: How do i get past CPU?

The problem with the defense seems to be that realistic offensive counter moves aren't responsive or effective enough. I'm not talking about cheesy moves either. If I drive hard right and the defender overplays it and I perform a behind the back dribble or crossover to the left, that should create space for a drive or shot against sub-par defenders. Only elite defenders should be able to recover on moves like that more often than not, but it seems like all CPU guards and wings are psychics that mirror your every move. I still need more practice, but this is just an early observation.

[ivancartago]

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I was just trying to demonstrate that as the defense is now, it discourages isolation basketball. In reality it's used quite frequently because of it's effectiveness (one out of four of James Harden's, LeBron's, Carmelo's possessions are them going one-on-one). Player's don't just blow by their defender or "resort to step back jumpers". Sometimes (like in Harden's case) they break the defender down, create distance and take a shot. This also, I feel, isn't represented well either in 2k.

ISO ball is one of the most INEFFICIENT plays in basketball. No it's not effective. Unless there's a HUGE gap in skill. It just gets seen a lot in end of games and shown in highlights hence why people think its effective.
And teams will see it coming hence that's why its so easy to defend, unless you make plays after beating your defender with an ISO like a quick pass since another help defender will come 99% of the time.

[strawberryshortcake]

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It is the same on every difficulty. I'm 3-0 vs HOF CPU and 5-1 on Play Now Online (Even won with the Knicks). I think I'm doing fine. I'd advice you to calm down and stop judging people you don't know on the internet.

Although I did quote your post, it wasn't specifically directed to any one person. Apologies. Yours was just right there in the line of fire. My reflex was to hit the first quote button. It was just a general blanket statement to all those who keep saying the CPU defense is too overpowered, too aggressive, too this and too that, especially in the first week (and it hasn't even been a few days since release).

The art of practice and the art of getting better on the sticks seems to be lost on modern day gamers. They're wanting immediate gratification. They're wanting to have mastered the game from the minute they first fire up the game. If they can't do it in a couple tries or even after a hundred tries, it's time for the developers to come out with a patch so the game meets their level of stick skills. If those gamers could just understand there is that honey moon phase that requires them to put in work. The light bulb just haven't been lit.

Offense will always, always, always be overpowered. Offense will always outplay the defense regardless of how difficult the defense may seem at first. Offense will find a way. It's comes down to stick skills.

It's a delicate balancing act. It's a delicate dance to give the gamer a challenging yet rewarding experience. The AI can only do so much. Unless the AI has true "thinking" intelligence where they completely deviate from what the programmers intended, the defensive AI must be given added defensive tools to combat a real gamer's human intelligence and combat his/her ability to master the sticks.

If I never master the sticks; If I never master the art of the isolation dance; If I never break down the defender with one or two quick steps; I put the blame solely on my own shoulders because as it stands now, there are users who have shown they can best the CPU on-ball defense. The ability is there for anyone who chooses to up their stick skills. It's there for the user to unlock.

I'll reiterate on my previous point. Offense will always, always, always be overpowered. Offense will always outplay the defense regardless of how difficult the defense may seem at first. Offense will find a way. It's comes down to stick skills. We're still all in the honeymoon phase.

Let's hypothetically say the developers patch to nerf the on the ball CPU defense two weeks from now. Where do you believe the community will be? What will be the consequences be to gamers who are already handling the CPU? You're already dominating the CPU on HOF as you can attest to. There isn't a next level up. Big men are already slow in the game as it is. Terrible defenders are already terrible defenders as it is in the game. The honeymoon phase may say that's not the case, but once you master the stick skills, the gamer should have the reflex to make the CPU look bad in all areas of the game.

Patch 4 2.0 is likely in the works.

[Mos1ted]

Re: How do i get past CPU?

Earlier I played 98 Bulls vs. 01 Lakers. I had MJ isolating Shaq three different times. I absolutely could not get by him. Cpu defenders can guard whoever they want. The game feels really messed up for me. I've found several issues with the game so far. I can't see myself keeping it.

One thing about Shaq though was that he had above-average agility for his size. Also, due to his size, he takes up a lot of space, so getting by him with a smaller player isn't always going to be easy anyway.

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