Some of these ratings prove that the 2k team doesn't watch/play basketball

[LO6IX]

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They gave Kyle Lowry better defense than Carroll. Lowry couldn't keep anyone in front of him this year.

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[cbpo]

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They gave Kyle Lowry better defense than Carroll. Lowry couldn't keep anyone in front of him this year.

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Yeah in terms of defense they really don't know what they're doing lol. Already realized this. Middleton's perimeter D is a C+ despite him being the 3rd best wing defender last year to tony allen and kawhi. Bucks had the 2nd best defense last year but they're 20th in the game. They even have Kobe's D over middleton.
Then overrating paul, westbrook and Lebron's D based off last year. They basically just base it off of what they've heard about a player at some point in time and then overrate superstar player's D

[FloorGeneral]

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lol, you gotta word it different breh, but yeah, there's definitley some missteps in the ratings. The most glaring mentioned so far has to be Nash's D. Everyone knows he was a turnstile. It's always one of the first things brought up when talking about him. How they could give him that good of a rating for On Ball D is mystifying.

It's early though, so hopefully they get stuff straightened out sooner rather than later.

[LO6IX]

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Yeah in terms of defense they really don't know what they're doing lol. Already realized this. Middleton's perimeter D is a C+ despite him being the 3rd best wing defender last year to tony allen and kawhi. Bucks had the 2nd best defense last year but they're 20th in the game. They even have Kobe's D over middleton.
Then overrating paul, westbrook and Lebron's D based off last year. They basically just base it off of what they've heard about a player at some point in time and then overrate superstar player's D

I think they messed with certain players' attributes so their overalls can be where they want them for this new system. I'll look more into it when I go back on but a lot of ratings just don't look right.

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[eltyboogie]

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Yeah in terms of defense they really don't know what they're doing lol. Already realized this. Middleton's perimeter D is a C+ despite him being the 3rd best wing defender last year to tony allen and kawhi. Bucks had the 2nd best defense last year but they're 20th in the game. They even have Kobe's D over middleton.
Then overrating paul, westbrook and Lebron's D based off last year. They basically just base it off of what they've heard about a player at some point in time and then overrate superstar player's D

not sure why cp3 is in there as he is the best defending pg in the league along with conley
lebrons defense was atrocious last year but it was more of him not trying than an ability thing regardless he shouldn't be a A+ anymore
Russ is a good defender he just gambles alot
he should have low iq ratings

[cbpo]

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not sure why cp3 is in there as he is the best defending pg in the league along with conley
lebrons defense was atrocious last year but it was more of him not trying than an ability thing regardless he shouldn't be a A+ anymore
Russ is a good defender he just gambles alot
he should have low iq ratings

CP3 Traditionally he has been but he wasn't last year at all and all data supports that. Opposing point guards shot a higher percentage than average against CP3 and his DRPM was just a slight positive. People think Deandre and CP3 are elite yet their team finished 15th in defense last year lol. Westbrook doesn't try so no he's not a good defender lol. At least last year. Opponents shot and scored Significantly better vs westbrook than the average point guard and he had a very negative DRPM. Imo it was mostly due to scott brooks allowing him to just be undisciplined and gamble excessively on defense. With Durant and Co. back and a new coach, I would assume he would try harder this year but still last year he was a bad defender, even if they gave him a superstar bump he shouldn't be anywhere near his A- rating in the game. If you watched any thunder game last year westbrook literally would just leave his man wide open to gamble and make no effort to recover.

Things change over the years just like with lebron, there was a year on the heat when he honestly may have been the best defender in the league. It's mostly a product of effort but in no way last year were paul and westbrook really good defenders. Even the year before though Bledsoe was by far the best defensive PG and not CP3, even when bledsoe was backing up cp3 the clippers defense was significantly better with bledsoe on the floor than with paul. But in 2013-2014 phoenix Bledsoe was by far best defensively , it's just he's not an overall superstar and his team isn't in the public eye so he doesn't get the recognition.
It's just like Kobe getting 1st team all defense 5 years in a row all the way until 2011 which is laughable. Media just picks superstars who at one point were good defenders because they don't know how to analyze D. At least back then there wasn't the data available that there is now, but now with synergy and player tracking it's easy to look up. Players that actually have Elite D show in all defensive metrics such as tony allen, draymond green etc and it's also reflected in their teams defense with warriors and grizzlies having elite D last year meanwhile with so called two "Defensive 1st team players", the only team to have two, the clippers with paul and deandre had a very average defense.

[ultralow36]

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bad thread wording.....question the rating not 2k...plus its all subjected anyways

[eltyboogie]

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CP3 Traditionally he has been but he wasn't last year at all and all data supports that. Opposing point guards shot a higher percentage than average against CP3 and his DRPM was just a slight positive. People think Deandre and CP3 are elite yet their team finished 15th in defense last year lol. Westbrook doesn't try so no he's not a good defender lol. At least last year. Opponents shot and scored Significantly better vs westbrook than the average point guard and he had a very negative DRPM. Imo it was mostly due to scott brooks allowing him to just be undisciplined and gamble excessively on defense. With Durant and Co. back and a new coach, I would assume he would try harder this year but still last year he was a bad defender, even if they gave him a superstar bump he shouldn't be anywhere near his A- rating in the game. If you watched any thunder game last year westbrook literally would just leave his man wide open to gamble and make no effort to recover.

Things change over the years just like with lebron, there was a year on the heat when he honestly may have been the best defender in the league. It's mostly a product of effort but in no way last year were paul and westbrook really good defenders. Even the year before though Bledsoe was by far the best defensive PG and not CP3, even when bledsoe was backing up cp3 the clippers defense was significantly better with bledsoe on the floor than with paul. But in 2013-2014 phoenix Bledsoe was by far best defensively , it's just he's not an overall superstar and his team isn't in the public eye so he doesn't get the recognition.
It's just like Kobe getting 1st team all defense 5 years in a row all the way until 2011 which is laughable. Media just picks superstars who at one point were good defenders because they don't know how to analyze D. At least back then there wasn't the data available that there is now, but now with synergy and player tracking it's easy to look up. Players that actually have Elite D show in all defensive metrics such as tony allen, draymond green etc and it's also reflected in their teams defense with warriors and grizzlies having elite D last year meanwhile with so called two "Defensive 1st team players", the only team to have two, the clippers with paul and deandre had a very average defense.

the problem with drpm is that it's affected by your teammates
redick/crawford barnes and griffin are all average to below average defenders
even if dont think cp3 is as good as the media portrays
hes still one of the best defenders at his position
going by drpm curry is like a top 10 defender in the league lol

[Lakers 24 7]

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I think they need to hire a former nba scout to do their ratings, that and ditch the constant rating updates. It's a stupid marketing gimmick that isn't good nor accurate and is impossible to keep up with all the updates throughout the seasons.

[Senator Stone]

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How does an entire staff overlook ratings like:

2004-2005 Steve Nash having a B+ rating as a defender. His defensive attributes match up with guys like Chris Paul, Avery Bradley, and Russell Westbrook. What makes this so comical is the fact that 2002-2003 Steve Nash had a 65 on ball defensive rating.

So somehow Nash was 2 years older, playing for a worse defensive team, and his defensive rating jumped by 19 points. Yall need to put his defense back at 65 where it belongs.

Shawn Kemp has a 60 midrange jumper rating. They gave Richard Hamilton an 89 3 point rating despite shooting 24 percent from 3

They gave Pierre Jackson a 25 dunk rating and a 60 vertical

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls-4PFZmKbE

Hakeem Olajuwon has a 73 midrange jumpers. Compare that to some of these other big mens ratings and explain how that makes sense.

I could give examples for days

If you're too lazy to do accurate ratings then hire someone who knows what they're talking about.

[suh90beast]

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I think they need to hire a former nba scout to do their ratings, that and ditch the constant rating updates. It's a stupid marketing gimmick that isn't good nor accurate and is impossible to keep up with all the updates throughout the seasons.

I agree just higher a nba scout or fbg

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[houston911]

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Steve Nash: 87 speed
Ty Lawson: 85 speed
Chris Paul: 79 speed

this is just flat out silly

[Gosens6]

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Apparently there's a roster update coming soon with ratings/tendencies adjustments. Let's see what comes of that


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[cbpo]

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the problem with drpm is that it's affected by your teammates
redick/crawford barnes and griffin are all average to below average defenders
even if dont think cp3 is as good as the media portrays
hes still one of the best defenders at his position
going by drpm curry is like a top 10 defender in the league lol

DRPM is adjusted for teammate and opponent strength so it's minimally affected by teammates. Traditional defensive box minus is what's heavily influenced by teammates. crawford is horrible, barnes is actually solid, and redick and griffin aren't bad. I don't disagree he's one of the best at his position but point guards in general aren't good defenders. He shouldn't be anywhere near tony allen in terms of his perimeter D like he is in the game lol.

He's a 30 year old 6ft man with an average wingspan lol. Players have a finite amount of energy and outside a few outliers throughout history you can't expect a perimeter player especially at 30 to give you 20 and 10, control the offense and still turn around and give you Elite D lol. Even him still being able to give above average defense is impressive. That's why almost all TRUE elite defenders are specialists where their job is really to focus on one side of the ball. Even Jimmy butler had a HUGE dropoff in defense last year and was an above average defender at best and even if you look it up, he said to blame him for bulls drop in D and that it was much harder than he thought to shoulder the offensive load he had last year while maintaining the same effort on D. Which is also part of why Westbrook's D fell to below average because his usage rate on offense was insane last year.

But All in All, they're def way overrated defensively, in real life they aren't able to give their team that type of offensive production and really good defense at the same time, and thus they shouldn't be able to in the game. The difference between players like allen, kawhi, and middleton last year defensively compared to paul was astronomical and if the game is supposed to be SIM then paul shouldn't have the same/even better defensive numbers than them.

[FloorGeneral]

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bad thread wording.....question the rating not 2k...plus its all subjected anyways

But 2K is responsible for the rating, so in the end you're still questioning 2K. And no, it's most definitely not subjective, especially with this new HOF directive they're pushing. I again go to Nash. The On Ball D rating they gave him is absurd, and anyone that watched him play basketball would agree.

I think someone above nailed it though: in certain instances, they (2K roster folks) inflated some ratings to get players to a certain overall, which just goes back to what I said in another thread: get rid of overall ratings. In order to satisfy the "overall rating" crowd, they in turn have players doing things in the game that they could not do on the court. Pointless IMO.