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  • The 24th Letter
    ERA
    • Oct 2007
    • 39373

    #91
    Re: How does everyone feel about shooting?

    Just my opinion\ some suggestions...I'm open to feedback.

    Pulling up off of a screen (unless the defender is completely stonewalled) has a very low shot grade....I think the defender is getting too much credit for a contest in those situations...

    With that, I would like to see some more semi contested shots go in period, just for guys like Melo, KD who can triple threat...pull up in your face...I rarely see those drop on the HUM side.

    Also, 'contested shot' animations are triggering when not appropriate..putting a dent in your shot quality. You will sometimes have considerable space between you and the defender and go into this animation regardless.

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    • Smirkin Dirk
      All Star
      • Oct 2008
      • 5180

      #92
      Re: How does everyone feel about shooting?

      Originally posted by The 24th Letter
      Just my opinion\ some suggestions...I'm open to feedback.

      Pulling up off of a screen (unless the defender is completely stonewalled) has a very low shot grade....I think the defender is getting too much credit for a contest in those situations...

      With that, I would like to see some more semi contested shots go in period, just for guys like Melo, KD who can triple threat...pull up in your face...I rarely see those drop on the HUM side.

      Also, 'contested shot' animations are triggering when not appropriate..putting a dent in your shot quality. You will sometimes have considerable space between you and the defender and go into this animation regardless.
      I agree 100%.
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      • ksuttonjr76
        All Star
        • Nov 2004
        • 8662

        #93
        Re: How does everyone feel about shooting?

        Originally posted by SportsGamer94
        Turn off the shot meter, turn on shot feedback.
        I'm adding my vote to this...

        Turn off the shot meter! My shooting percentage jumped considerably my last two games. The shot meter is definitely a distraction. If they want to keep the shot meter, then I would recommend moving it to the side of player. Like Sam...it's more natural. Watching your feet to determine your release point a jumper, in hindsight, does sound weird.

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        • alabamarob
          MVP
          • Nov 2010
          • 3348

          #94
          Re: How does everyone feel about shooting?

          I need more time before i can say with any certainty. But, it still feels like the shot releases factor to much into shot sucess from 3. Meaning when there is a 75 rated three point shooter with a "favored" shot release, his shot drops more then an 85 rated three point shooter with an "unfavored" release. This is when the shots are released on the same spot on the meter. So the timing of the release is not the issue it seems like the success of the shot is higher independent of user release timing with "favored" shot releases. This is on hof sim. But again, its early and i need more reps to be sure.

          Other than that i like the three point shooting. However, i think mid range shooting and shooting off the dribble is a little to accurate.
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          • bo.jangles344
            Banned
            • Jun 2013
            • 1007

            #95
            Re: How does everyone feel about shooting?

            Originally posted by mrprice33
            From where? 3? or overall?

            If you're talking about overall, you're flat wrong.

            If you're talking from 3, then yes, you're right, but that's a mix of a variety of types of shots, from wide open to closely guarded, early in the shot clock to late, etc. I feel like if you're generating a B+ or above shot from 3, that it should go in 50-60% of the time. Here, it feels like maybe 30-40%, but even that feels generous.

            Also, being forced to take closer shots isn't a good thing. It forces people to adapt to sell out to get to the rim, which isn't in line with actual NBA shot distribution, where about half of shots taken are taken at the rim/paint, and about 25-30% from 3.
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            HOWEVER, lol, i gotta completely disagree with you. I'll spot you a high 40% (say 47%) on STANDING wide open 3s with above average shooters. Curry shot low 60% on total corner 3s this year and that was INCLUDING contested or off the c bounce shots. That's an ABSURD number. Now, if curry is the exception, not the rule, I'd say the league (once again I'm no mathematician) probably shoots mid -high 40s on corner 3s league wide. Now, If we know he shot 60+% on corner 3s with a defender or not but only averaged 47% (lol "only") for everything else altogether theres something wrong with your theory.

            A lot of that is ratio of corner to wing and TOA 3s but essentially my deduction is contested shots altogether for curry could possibly be high teens. Which id classify above average and factoring that into 47% overall means he got cold every once in a while. And if he's the "greatest shooter of all time" okay, I'm good with that.


            My argument is kerr holds the record at 52% playing with the greatest single threat to any d we've witnessed in our lives with mj.

            Now, both kukoc and kerr were mostly spot up players because Jordan was the greatest floor spacer in history. You simply HAD to double him.

            There's a difference between open and wid open.

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            • BluFu
              MVP
              • May 2012
              • 3596

              #96
              Re: How does everyone feel about shooting?

              Originally posted by xCoachDx
              This. If I can't get perfect shots, the cpu shouldn't either.

              Went 4-13 and 3-16 from deep with Curry yesterday. I'm one of those guys that refuses to take a contested perimeter shot lol so the looks were great. But it's always "slightly early" or "slightly late". I can't even get perfects on FT's..

              Not that I ever there. Talk about skewed. My last game:
              Me 4-6 FT's. Cpu; 32-36

              No idea. The more I play this game the less that I understand.
              You play like how I played a lot of the time. You're so busy trying to get looks from deep, you're not mixing it up and taking it to the hole (even when your shooters aren't in a rhythm). That's why you're not getting the free throws numbers you want.

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              • ray52ray27
                Rookie
                • May 2014
                • 118

                #97
                Re: How does everyone feel about shooting?

                One thing that should be fixed is just because Klay Thompson is a foot inside the 3 point line doesn't mean he should miss. It happens to me with everybody, their foot is on the line and it is a 0% shot for some reason.

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                • milin
                  Rookie
                  • Jun 2003
                  • 106

                  #98
                  Re: How does everyone feel about shooting?

                  Originally posted by 23
                  Yes

                  It is tricky because its faster than last year

                  Also i notice on shots you have a certain window to release

                  Also these players have hot spots this year
                  KD's shot is not only faster, it just feels totally wrong. You have to release the button way before he gets to the peak of his jump. At first I thought that maybe his jumpshot was set to "quick", but it is not, and I can imagine that it'd be near impossible to hit a shot with it set that way.

                  I also have the same problem with Curry's shot. It is a little bit too quick for my taste, and I can't get a feel for it at all.

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                  • milin
                    Rookie
                    • Jun 2003
                    • 106

                    #99
                    Re: How does everyone feel about shooting?

                    Originally posted by ray52ray27
                    One thing that should be fixed is just because Klay Thompson is a foot inside the 3 point line doesn't mean he should miss. It happens to me with everybody, their foot is on the line and it is a 0% shot for some reason.
                    I also agree with this. You shouldn't be punished for this.

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                    • ray52ray27
                      Rookie
                      • May 2014
                      • 118

                      #100
                      Re: How does everyone feel about shooting?

                      Originally posted by milin
                      I also agree with this. You shouldn't be punished for this.

                      Exactly how is being closer to the basket a WORSE shot? It happens so often I can't even count, especially with some one like Klay, Steph, Harden, and Melo.

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                      • daveberg
                        MVP
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 2788

                        #101
                        Re: How does everyone feel about shooting?

                        I play offline exclusively and don't have many problems with shooting. Sure, It's harder this year, and getting open counts, but overall, the shots drop when they're supposed to and miss when you make poor decisions.

                        I don't use the shot meter either, I always turn it off. Less clutter. Once I get the new pick system fully down, that's getting turned off too.
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                        • The 24th Letter
                          ERA
                          • Oct 2007
                          • 39373

                          #102
                          Re: How does everyone feel about shooting?

                          Originally posted by milin
                          KD's shot is not only faster, it just feels totally wrong. You have to release the button way before he gets to the peak of his jump. At first I thought that maybe his jumpshot was set to "quick", but it is not, and I can imagine that it'd be near impossible to hit a shot with it set that way.

                          I also have the same problem with Curry's shot. It is a little bit too quick for my taste, and I can't get a feel for it at all.
                          Wow, I thought it was set to quick, lol I'm with you though, just cant get a feel for it..very odd release point... Missed so many open shots with him in one of the games I was playing last night..

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                          • teewee
                            Rookie
                            • Aug 2008
                            • 109

                            #103
                            Re: How does everyone feel about shooting?

                            All this sounds great. May be a problem for some but for me I have been wanting this. This has been the problem with 2k all along. That's why it's been labeled arcade too many shots going in. An average of 60% percent shooting is not realistic in the nba. Now it's right yeah!!!


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                            • 2_headedmonster
                              MVP
                              • Oct 2011
                              • 2251

                              #104
                              Re: How does everyone feel about shooting?

                              Foot on the line, mid range, wide open...people miss shots. You don't like it? Fine, lower the difficulty.

                              I just played the first game of an association where the biggest stars on my team are Wiggins and Afflalo. Shot 51% and that was with multiple possessions wasted with shot clock heaves trying to get my freelance to trigger properly.

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                              • HypoLuxa13
                                MVP
                                • Feb 2007
                                • 1156

                                #105
                                Re: How does everyone feel about shooting?

                                Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                                Just my opinion\ some suggestions...I'm open to feedback.

                                Pulling up off of a screen (unless the defender is completely stonewalled) has a very low shot grade....I think the defender is getting too much credit for a contest in those situations...

                                With that, I would like to see some more semi contested shots go in period, just for guys like Melo, KD who can triple threat...pull up in your face...I rarely see those drop on the HUM side.

                                Also, 'contested shot' animations are triggering when not appropriate..putting a dent in your shot quality. You will sometimes have considerable space between you and the defender and go into this animation regardless.
                                I'm seriously leaning towards your line of thinking here with all 3 of these points. I can't say 100% because I don't feel like I have enough games in yet (out of town much of the weekend). But I definitely think this is something to keep a close eye on and needs careful consideration and investigation from the Devs.

                                Come to think of it, I don't think I've seen a single CPU player work the triple threat at all, at least not the way Melo, KD, and others do. Much less do rise up and drain a jumper from triple threat with a defender on him. Definitely something to further investigate.

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