There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

[Hadlowe]

Re: There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

I always figure that the animation engine is doing its best to show what the combination of user input and dice rolls under the hood say should happen. On screen your user input says you got your defender out of position and should be able to do a blowby. The old gods of RNG (the part of the game that keeps stats somewhat sim and not too NBA Jammy) say, "No. your defender gets a saving throw and stops your drive." Sure, it's not a perfect solution, but it's also the part of the game that gives your crappy bench point guard a fighting chance against Wall, Rose, or Westbrook on defense.

Best thing to do is live with it and work harder to beat the RNG next time out. For the time being, pass the danged ball to a teammate or run a play or call for a pick or use the much-improved post-up game to dominate. If every play results in a turbo drive into the paint, it becomes unexciting. Successful iso drives should be relatively rare. Drives off of set plays and backdoor cuts should be where most of the points inside come from for wings and guards.

[ataman5]

Re: There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

I always figure that the animation engine is doing its best to show what the combination of user input and dice rolls under the hood say should happen. On screen your user input says you got your defender out of position and should be able to do a blowby. The old gods of RNG (the part of the game that keeps stats somewhat sim and not too NBA Jammy) say, "No. your defender gets a saving throw and stops your drive." Sure, it's not a perfect solution, but it's also the part of the game that gives your crappy bench point guard a fighting chance against Wall, Rose, or Westbrook on defense.



Best thing to do is live with it and work harder to beat the RNG next time out. For the time being, pass the danged ball to a teammate or run a play or call for a pick or use the much-improved post-up game to dominate. If every play results in a turbo drive into the paint, it becomes unexciting. Successful iso drives should be relatively rare. Drives off of set plays and backdoor cuts should be where most of the points inside come from for wings and guards.

That's exactly what i have been trying to say and couldn't explain it better. Thank you my friend.


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[Smirkin Dirk]

Re: There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

Honestly..ain't that a going over a pick? To me the defender step through and then SLIDE HOPPING to cut you off. Plus what are you trying to do with that slow dribbling..please use better angles to make dribble penetration.

I agree. You have to get as close to the screener as possible.

My concern is that Lillard is a bad defender and always gets caught up on screens IRL.

[Scofield]

Re: There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

I'm with 24, some of ya'll overexaggerate the **** of stuff in the game. Hyperbole reigns supreme around these parts lol.

Why then, is so much time wasted addressing these people. We know who they are. The "How Do I Get Past The CPU" thread shows a number of of people who fit that description and folks who were in that category but eventually changed their tune after using the advise they were given.

There are people here posting reasonable opinions about defense this year. They acknowledge that it's good but at the same time also point out that there some nagging issues that, if addressed could make things even better. The videos they've posted show legitimate areas of concern (not borderline or fringe issues) :

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...d.php?t=857514

NBA2k16 Computer On ball D issue (vid inside)



I'm having a hard time understanding why it's so difficult to filter out the obvious nonsense some people are posting and then have a conversation about the legitimate issues being raised.

[Smirkin Dirk]

Re: There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

Let me say this. Beating defenders off the dribble one on one occupies much smaller portions of real team's offenses in real life than some posters realise.

[xCoachDx]

Re: There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

also who is saying sliding/warping shouldn't be patched?

that's an obvious glitch and should be fixed, however it is hardly common maybe I'll see it 1 or 2 times a game if any. Most of the time if I can't get past a defender it's my fault which is how it should be

More like one or two a possession. Haha

[DmaXmius101]

Re: There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

I agree. You have to get as close to the screener as possible.

My concern is that Lillard is a bad defender and always gets caught up on screens IRL.

I'm not even trying to go against the complainers.. just trying to quote on the vid. And for lillard, leave that for rosters editing.

[Nevertheles109]

Re: There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

Why then, is so much time wasted addressing these people. We know who they are. The "How Do I Get Past The CPU" thread shows a number of of people who fit that description and folks who were in that category but eventually changed their tune after using the advise they were given.

There are people here posting reasonable opinions about defense this year. They acknowledge that it's good but at the same time also point out that there some nagging issues that, if addressed could make things even better. The videos they've posted show legitimate areas of concern (not borderline or fringe issues) :

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...d.php?t=857514

NBA2k16 Computer On ball D issue (vid inside)



I'm having a hard time understanding why it's so difficult to filter out the obvious nonsense some people are posting and then have a conversation about the legitimate issues being raised.

It's quite simple, because it is being over accentuated that the defense is bad and it's CONSTANT sliding and warping. Simply put, that's not the case.

The people that enjoy the defense ADMIT there is a SMALL issue with warping yet if it compromised the defense advancements this year, we would gladly leave as is.

The people on the other end are just sayin PATCH PATCH PATCH! It's being over emphasized which yields overly dumbed down patches.

I'm sure I'll get flamed for this but I feel as though people that are having success understand real ball and probably even play it and understand the concept of how to utilize hesitation, size-ups, picks, screens ect.

I think the people that are having trouble are the ones that wiggled the stick with one crossover dribble like that fools anybody in real life and expecting results. Being crossed in real life takes a series of moves, hesitations, head fakes and angles. I like that 2K16 has made it that way oppose to being crossed by such juvenile predicable moves.

[24ct]

Re: There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

Ppl just want to be able to drive past the defense every time. And when they can't it's an issue. I don't think anything is wrong. I think ppl just want a successful iso 100% of the time which is never the case. I just hope 2k doesn't make offense easierv this year. It's pretty decent where it is.

[xCoachDx]

Re: There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

It's quite simple, because it is being over accentuated that the defense is bad and it's CONSTANT sliding and warping. Simply put, that's not the case.

The people that enjoy the defense ADMIT there is a SMALL issue with warping yet if it compromised the defense advancements this year, we would gladly leave as is.

The people on the other end are just sayin PATCH PATCH PATCH! It's being over emphasized which yields overly dumbed down patches.

I'm sure I'll get flamed for this but I feel as though people that are having success understand real ball and probably even play it and understand the concept of how to utilize hesitation, size-ups, picks, screens ect.

I think the people that are having trouble are the ones that wiggled the stick with one crossover dribble like that fools anybody in real life and expecting results. Being crossed in real life takes a series of moves, hesitations, head fakes and angles. I like that 2K16 has made it that way oppose to being crossed by such juvenile predicable moves.

My issue is that poor defenders lock down the same as good ones. If a slow post player gets mismatches onto a quick guard, the bumping and morphing prevents you from exploiting the mismatch. Everyone wants to say "Take what the defense gives you." And while I love that mentality (I coach basketball so I'm constantly looking for stuff like this), the bumping and morphing really keeps you from utilizing that mindset.

[Jrocc23]

Re: There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

This most likely is my last time trying to explain on behalf of the other thread with the videos because you have people where it's just not computing for them and some that's so scared 2K will mess up the defense, they are scared about any possible tweak and will look past and say anything.

I don't think anyone said the defense was bad. I LOVE the defense. But you have people saying, we should take advice and etc. Can someone tell me why? Honestly, that's irrelevant in our circumstances. We are talking about AFTER we blew by someone or has someone beat. We don't care if it doesn't happen all the time either. It happened in those videos and y'all can see. I don't think we'd see it one time and just make a thread and post videos on it.

All we are saying is it's ugly and we love the game and want it to be better and bringing attention so hopefully it can be cleaned up. I personally don't care you can show videos blowing by people without it happening. Nobody said this happens every time. But sometimes things like this happens and it happens more than y'all try to make it seem as well. Once again, we just want it cleaned up if possible to make it more realistic. We are not saying make defense easier nor do we (definitely not I) need y'all help.

[Scofield]

Re: There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

It's quite simple, because it is being over accentuated that the defense is bad and it's CONSTANT sliding and warping. Simply put, that's not the case.

The people that enjoy the defense ADMIT there is a SMALL issue with warping yet if it compromised the defense advancements this year, we would gladly leave as is.

The people on the other end are just sayin PATCH PATCH PATCH! It's being over emphasized which yields overly dumbed down patches.

I'm sure I'll get flamed for this but I feel as though people that are having success understand real ball and probably even play it and understand the concept of how to utilize hesitation, size-ups, picks, screens ect.

I think the people that are having trouble are the ones that wiggled the stick with one crossover dribble like that fools anybody in real life and expecting results. Being crossed in real life takes a series of moves, hesitations, head fakes and angles. I like that 2K16 has made it that way oppose to being crossed by such juvenile predicable moves.

It's being misrepresented and overblown by a handful of posters who've shown that their opinions shouldn't be worthy of attention. Once you become aware of that it should be easy to move on and let them whine in the corner. It's should also be easy to realize that not everyone who talks about the defensive issue are in that camp.

[Raider131]

Re: There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

Ppl just want to be able to drive past the defense every time. And when they can't it's an issue. I don't think anything is wrong. I think ppl just want a successful iso 100% of the time which is never the case. I just hope 2k doesn't make offense easierv this year. It's pretty decent where it is.

Nobody has said this at any point in this thread, chill with the strawman argument.

People just don't want unrealistic bumping and warping when they've done their job to force a mismatch or have already beaten their man. If he gets beat realistically the team should rotate and cut him off. I don't think defense should get patched but it's not 100% perfect and should be constantly improving much like any facet of any video game.

[LO6IX]

Re: There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

I just used the Clippers on Superstar sim and was able to do this. http://xboxclips.com/LBx6IX/f02d8418...d-b97ec1db2576

http://xboxclips.com/LBx6IX/049898a2-69a1-4b32-ba11-ffd3a5a2fa26

The warping and sliding seem to only happen in MyTeam, MyCareer and Play Now Online when my opponent plays off ball.

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[Smirkin Dirk]

Re: There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

I'm not even trying to go against the complainers.. just trying to quote on the vid. And for lillard, leave that for rosters editing.

Ive tested good defenders and bad defenders, and there is a gap. Probably not as big a gap as Id like to see, but he'd already be rated low defensively in the rosters.