There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

[Scrooge]

Re: There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

There's nothing wrong with CPU on-ball defense SOME of the time. For the times that there are, we have clear evidence of warping and sliding from a disadvantageous defensive position.

People are letting their anxiety for overcompensation from 2k cloud the issue. There are two separate topics:

Can I get past the CPU and how? The answer here starts with sizeups and ends with good player/ball movement and is not much of an issue.

Does the CPU exhibit proper behavior in on-ball defense situations? Sometimes yes, but sometimes there is a sliding and warping issue.

If the second is true, then the title of this topic is provably incorrect, and I think the video evidence objectively proves the case. I posted the simple soultion in the other thread but I'll repeat it here.

The CPU player has to recognize that it's beat in these warping encounters. The outcome isn't a complete lane to the basket, but the CPU taking a secondary action knowing that it's given up a step to the offense. Depending on the abilities of the individual CPU defender, this will range from advantageous to neutral, depending on the offensive player's abilities.

Fixing this issue should not result in extreme advantage for the offensive player unless it's already a mismatch.

This!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just cuz it's difficult doesn't make it sim, it's the how that's important
If I can't get passed cuz of his feet moving great, if he's teleporting there's a problem

[JKSportsGamer1984]

Re: There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

We're not saying it happens all the time. We're not even complaining it's too hard. What we're saying is, it happens, it shouldn't happen.

It's unrealistic, ugly looking and just plain cheesy by the AI. I had Aaron brooks sticking to D Rose earlier like glue. But it wasn't the fact that he was playing good D, it was how it happened.

Literally shuffling and sliding his feet from side to side to warp and stay in front of me with the speed and quickness that no human being should posses. I promise you at one point he WARPED directly under a screen, "shuffled" his feet (AKA his feet doesn't hit the ground, he just glides from side to side) . I could not believe it when I saw it.

This crutch they gave the AI on defense with this sliding and warping is inexcusable. Make defense hard, I love a challenge, but do it in a way that's realistic, not in a way that reminds me I'm playing a freaking video game.


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This is exactly what I've been saying. Well said

People are so quick to defend the game or tell you that you're the problem while not acknowledging that these flaws occur smh. People need to quit trying to categorize someone who points out a CLEAR flaw in the game as "someone who is just not good at the game, go practice your stick skills, etc... I think most people want a fair & balanced game on both sides of the ball. I applaud 2K for the amount of depth they put into the gameplay this year. However that doesn't mean that the game is flawless. The facts are there is warping, sliding into position at times, morphing, etc...These things need to be addressed. That doesn't mean 2K16 isn't a great game because it is. Some people need to get over themselves & accept the fact that this game has flaws. Nobody is asking for 2K to get rid of good on ball defense (elite defenders should be able to lock you down), we just want them to address the warping, sliding, morphing, etc...

[Scofield]

Re: There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

There's nothing wrong with CPU on-ball defense SOME of the time. For the times that there are, we have clear evidence of warping and sliding from a disadvantageous defensive position.

People are letting their anxiety for overcompensation from 2k cloud the issue. There are two separate topics:

Can I get past the CPU and how? The answer here starts with sizeups and ends with good player/ball movement and is not much of an issue.

Does the CPU exhibit proper behavior in on-ball defense situations? Sometimes yes, but sometimes there is a sliding and warping issue.

If the second is true, then the title of this topic is provably incorrect, and I think the video evidence objectively proves the case. I posted the simple soultion in the other thread but I'll repeat it here.

The CPU player has to recognize that it's beat in these warping encounters. The outcome isn't a complete lane to the basket, but the CPU taking a secondary action knowing that it's given up a step to the offense. Depending on the abilities of the individual CPU defender, this will range from advantageous to neutral, depending on the offensive player's abilities.

Fixing this issue should not result in extreme advantage for the offensive player unless it's already a mismatch.

This is on point. If this type of "tweak" (may be a massive undertaking for all we know) can be Instituted without breaking defense I don't think anyone would have an issue. D is good in the game as is but the warping issue does leave a bad taste.

[JKSportsGamer1984]

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This most likely is my last time trying to explain on behalf of the other thread with the videos because you have people where it's just not computing for them and some that's so scared 2K will mess up the defense, they are scared about any possible tweak and will look past and say anything.

I don't think anyone said the defense was bad. I LOVE the defense. But you have people saying, we should take advice and etc. Can someone tell me why? Honestly, that's irrelevant in our circumstances. We are talking about AFTER we blew by someone or has someone beat. We don't care if it doesn't happen all the time either. It happened in those videos and y'all can see. I don't think we'd see it one time and just make a thread and post videos on it.

All we are saying is it's ugly and we love the game and want it to be better and bringing attention so hopefully it can be cleaned up. I personally don't care you can show videos blowing by people without it happening. Nobody said this happens every time. But sometimes things like this happens and it happens more than y'all try to make it seem as well. Once again, we just want it cleaned up if possible to make it more realistic. We are not saying make defense easier nor do we (definitely not I) need y'all help.

Thank you! Well said. I don't know why this is so hard to understand lol.

[The 24th Letter]

Re: There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

What's funny is Born is saying the same exact thing a lot of us have already said....

Good post though Born

Don't know id call that solution simple, but it's a great suggestion.....I doubt it's something that could be implemented this year as no basketball game to date has really mastered 1 on 1 interaction

Honestly, no matter what kind of magic Mike and co work out this year....if you search enough replays you'll still find some of this present.....it's the equivalent of searching every madden play for a suction tackle....you'll most definitely find it eventually...

Hopefully it's addressed without completely disrupting the games balance....


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[JKSportsGamer1984]

Re: There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

Obviously there are not a lot of "blow-bys" in the NBA, but guys do beat their man off the dribble without blowing by them. That forces the defender to play catch-up, and usually leads to defensive rotation to help. The problem in the game is that the defender can slide back in front of the ball-handler, negating the need for the rotation. Even in the third clip in this thread, George slid back to body up Kobe and get a decent contest on the layup.

It wouldn't be as much of an issue if the ball-handler could keep their momentum, but when the CPU slides back into place, the game acts as if he was there the whole time. This often causes the offensive player to stop and step back, instead of being able to continue towards the basket.

Exactly. There are numerous times where I have my defender beat off the dribble only to be sucked back into a bumping animation which stops my momentum to the basket. This type of stuff has to go.

[LO6IX]

Re: There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

I'm not going to mess with you because you seem like a angry dude. It's not confirm but check out the animations you call warping, it really looks like a huge side step to stop your drives.( my own opinion) and I like those kind of **** It makes you play harder and better.

Does this look like a huge step?

http://xboxclips.com/LBx6IX/70a71652-7df1-4769-b54b-19d8c899c596

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[DmaXmius101]

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Wait are we even talking about the same video?

I understand people are entitled to their own opinions but if my opinion is that Paul George is the cover athlete of nba 2k16, that's wrong information not an opinion and you don't have to respect it.

With that said if you think this

http://youtu.be/XgwyPvYG3gE

Is a side step and youre seeing him move his feet instead of slide with your own 2 eyes then........



And Lmao @ I seem mad

Not tell me if I'm wrong, after you blew by the defender you had 2 guys defending the paint..so you auto hesitate and the defender got back on defense.

[DmaXmius101]

Re: There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

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Granny you don't understand lol

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Re: There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

All I want is for AI onball D in play now online to be lowered to keep that mode completely skill based. I know this is only anecdotal, but in every game I play, the other person NEVER plays onball defence, and just lets the computer play defence for them.

In a mode that attempts to separate the great from the mediocre, there shouldn't be any crutches for people to lean on. Play defence by yourself, play offence by yourself

[DmaXmius101]

Re: There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

[QUOTE=LO6IX;2047719419]Does this look like a huge step?

http://xboxclips.com/LBx6IX/70a71652-7df1-4769-b54b-19d8c899c596

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Lateral hop.. Pay attention to his feet. My advice give up the rock.

Happy gaming

[starks1903]

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even developers don't defend the game like this. they say it's not perfect.

[kobethelegend]

Re: There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

I think this is as challenging as its ever been.

I still think that some bad defenders can be a bit sticky, and the riding the hip animation should be utilised more.

Watch the NBA and you'll rarely see these iso blow bys.

This is as close to basketball as a video game has ever got. If there is an open lane take it. Don;t waggle the sticks for 15 seconds.

Use screens well. Get as close to the screener as possible, dont let the defender blow it up.

If they drop back, take the jumper.

Get nothing? Go into a postup, try a quick spin.

Learn your plays.

I have not mastered the game. I still give away 4-6 possessions per game because I dont get a good shot. I play as the Mavs and I basically have no iso players. I think Williams, Parsons and Matthews all have speed/acceleration ratings in thew 60s, maybe Harris and Barea in the 70s. It's challenging but rewarding.

the reason you dont see blow bys in the nba all the time is because everyone starts their offense with a screen. so its no longer You vs me or me vs you. its me the offensive guy calling my teammate to pick you the defender off. now if by chance some average to below average defender gets stuck on an island vs teague(atl) or I.thomas its a wrap. they will blow by you. the only thing stopping it from happening everytime is that you call for help or your help defenders close to the paint/baseline slide over so the small guy cant make a clean layup.

but the actual BLOW by will still occur if there's no help on the behind the defender.

[kobethelegend]

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All I want is for AI onball D in play now online to be lowered to keep that mode completely skill based. I know this is only anecdotal, but in every game I play, the other person NEVER plays onball defence, and just lets the computer play defence for them.

In a mode that attempts to separate the great from the mediocre, there shouldn't be any crutches for people to lean on. Play defence by yourself, play offence by yourself

lol i feel your pain and have felt your pain for years. no one hears you but me and a handful of on ball defenders. the rest are all about cpu defenders doing the work for them. they actually LIKE that better. i use to tell guys in the old 2k's when they had lobbys you could type in. "if you put your cpu guy on me, and i put my cpu guy on you. guess what we're playing? VS THE CPU not each other."

but they never understood that concept.

when i use to run some online leagues on 2k back in the day as GM. i would make sure to turn down CPU defensive awareness. it forced dudes to play on ball defense. they had no other option. they would cry and cry and cry about it. until a few games in when they got use to it. and they realized how much fun they were having win or lose.

[kobethelegend]

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[QUOTE=DmaXmius101;2047719488]

Does this look like a huge step?

http://xboxclips.com/LBx6IX/70a71652-7df1-4769-b54b-19d8c899c596

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Lateral hop.. Pay attention to his feet. My advice give up the rock.

Happy gaming

haa haa lol at lateral hop. stop it dmax.

look both of you have a point. guys are trying to cheese their way to the basket or force their way. thats not basketball. learn to play legit basketball. BUT with that said, even guys playing real basketball. a part of basketball is taking your man off the dribble when in an iso situation. if i get a defender leaning left and i shake back right at the right moment. the defender will be off balance. then if i go to the rack. the defender has no chance of catching up. NON. the best he can do is bump me which is actually a foul in that scenario. because i'm clearly by you. i said this in the other thread about that other game. where some guy showed a video saying he LIKED that sticky glue defensive bump on the drive. thats not real. if your shoulder is past the guy. its a wrap. you aint catching up. you're beat. its that simple. and it should be that simple in 2k or any other hoop game. now you can be stopped by the defender playing further off of you. not nearly as close. and/or having a backline defense to shut you down before you get to the rim.