There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

[Young Coaches]

There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

I love the defense this year. User on-ball, CPU on-ball, A.I. off ball.......everything. Taking this out of 2k16 would be like taking aggressive catching out of Madden 16....it would destroy the identity of the game.

I wish people would stop complaining and just take the time to learn and adjust to the game. Sometimes it won't be instantly. We need to learn patience. Here are some tips I use that are very effective if you want to ISO:

1) Setup the defender with sizeups and hesitations. Hesi's are especially good because they get the CPU leaning to a specific side.

2) Always pay attention to your defender's feet and his body momentum. If you catch a defender shifting/hopping to one side.....that is your cue to attack the other side.

3) Hold R2 during and after a crossover to explode into a drive. The explosion is the most important part of the process and it allows you to get that quick burst needed when your defender commits too much to one side.

The below videos are examples of what I am talking about. Difficulty is on Superstar and its against Paul George, a lockdown defender. Kobe is good but doesn't even have the best ball-handling compared to lots of other guys

Funny how those videos are displayed on a one on one, and my whole thing is, (I'm a Spurs basketball kinna guy) when I call a screen play. When defenders, regardless if it's Harden or Iggy, ice BOTH routes of the ball handler. So much so, that the screen becomes transparent. On top of that, not only both routes get blocked, you have just called a double team for your opponent because there comes the screener's defender to ALSO, make the ball handler stumble. And refs have the audacity to not call ANY of that AGRESSSIVE TOUCHING a foul. With all due respect to you sir, I've been playing, watching as well as experiencing the game for quite long to know, that's a little too AGRESSSIVE. And a little too much reading to do, on EVERY screen play. Double draggs INCLUDED.

Here's a video to explain myself with much more clarity. Again, with all due respect.
RT @YoungCoaches: If your game consisted of plays for isolation, get ready for some persecution #NBA2K16 http://t.co/RsMRc8iuwu

EDIT: Mind you, that when you press the turbo button, 2k has gotten the habit of making the ball handler do these weird in and outs prior to "exploding to the basket" as you say (I love that term that's what I be saying too). And that also brings even more touching from the defenders while refs are Just swallowing their whistle.

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[Scrooge]

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Lot of selective reading going on here.

Thing is, most folk have acknowledged that there is warping/sliding(not sure where the "denial" is when literally no one in here is pretending that it doesn't exist)but in the meantime since nothing is going to be done about it right away(especially since the game ain't even a week old)there have been people offering tips/advice/temporary band-aids to curb it all until 2K releases an actual fix to the point where WE don't have to worry about fixing it ourselves. 24 has been doing this throughout the forum as far trying to help folks out and people are coming at him as if HE'S doing something wrong lol.

I'm sure 2K knows about this by now. Hell, one of the devs(might've been Czar but I could be wrong)basically told us well before the game came out that there would be some warping/sliding in the game and nobody made a fuss about it then and I guarantee that we've seen way worse than this in previous games in the series.

I know you said most but a dude literally told me in the other thread that the warping is only happening to me and me only so therefore I'm the problem not 2k

That's some next level standom

[DocHolliday]

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If your having trouble, let your ego go, and drop down to pro.

Really that simple.


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[Crookid]

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Nicely done. HOF is a different animal. However, I'm not complaining. I love it.

Just wish my late contests weren't considered bad shots. Probably just need the shot creator/dead eye badges.

[richmo]

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https://youtu.be/-jzXgZy4hl8

Here's some examples of me getting to the bucket on multiple occasions in one game. Haven't had too much of an issue, really.

[strawberryshortcake]

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https://youtu.be/-jzXgZy4hl8

Here's some examples of me getting to the bucket on multiple occasions in one game. Haven't had too much of an issue, really.

Nice. Even though I personally haven't consistently pulled off these moves because my strategic offensive approach is ball movement first, second, third and last, watching videos like these makes me think defense still needs to be tougher, on ball and especially the help defense. You just used and abused the CPU defense.

This also immediately makes me think about someone having good stick skills and practice is what's needed to be proficient on isolation plays against the on ball CPU defense. It just makes me wonder why complainers about CPU stickiness doesn't simply seek out help or just put in hours in practice mode...

No, I'm not referring to "CPU recovery warps," but someone having major concerns with legitimate CPU on ball defense due to CPU foot plant.

[ksuttonjr76]

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Hell, you can even call for a pick in the backcourt if they are harrassing you.

That's good to know! I didn't know that you could call a screen in the backcourt. I'm about to run some fools into a hard screen now .

[ksuttonjr76]

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https://youtu.be/-jzXgZy4hl8

Here's some examples of me getting to the bucket on multiple occasions in one game. Haven't had too much of an issue, really.

Those moves were poetry in motion. Sucks that you missed the first uncontested layup, lol. I noticed that Steve Nash warped to his feet after you made him fall. Now, I can 100% agree that's a glitch which definitely needs to be fixed. Otherwise, good footage.

[Vni]

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https://youtu.be/-jzXgZy4hl8

Here's some examples of me getting to the bucket on multiple occasions in one game. Haven't had too much of an issue, really.

Man see how Nash gets back up at 0.30 ... Not a good look.

[DmaXmius101]

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Good acknowledgment here: I will vouch that the defender's recovery should be a tad slower and he should be passing the ball handler to the two bigs who can further assist while he plays trail.

I understand the development team did not want it to be too easy to perform drive and kickbacks or assist in the paint due to it being too easy to bait an intense double team that continually breaks the integrity of the defense.

The key here is defensive integrity : how easy is it to break down the defense ? I will be content with the game still if the development team cannot afford to tune the recovery animations during this current cycle.

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YES...but there's a couple of things i'm trying to find out with dribble penetration and cpu on-ball defense.

when blowing by the defenders what really causes the defender to catch up to you.
A- Mabye ballhanding skills..loosing the ball while dribbling aka stuttering.
B- You where able to penetrate but they are defending the paint.
C- A bad penetration angle where the defender bumps you out of position.

I'm really starting to believe don't penetrate unless it's given to you.

Back to your point..the way how 2k set this game up is what sim heads dream of. and if some can't handle it, use sliders
drop the levels even edit the rosters. It's a great game don't ruin it.

[Bornindamecca]

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https://youtu.be/-jzXgZy4hl8

Here's some examples of me getting to the bucket on multiple occasions in one game. Haven't had too much of an issue, really.

Ironically, this video is a perfect example about why the conversation isn't about player success, but rather CPU behavior. You succeeded in the ideal ball handler situation: complete breakdown and a defender that falls.

Though he is completely beat and out of the play, Nash gets up like Dracula. If he were a taller player, he'd be in position to have somerecovery on a play where he should have objectively no defensive participation for at least 80 frames of user advantage.

2k16 is, in my opinion, the best NBA 2k game, in no small part because of better defense both as player options and with CPU logic. That said, people are absolutely right in wanting to see CPU behavior improved in ball handling situations.

[EarvGotti]

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I must admit, I am afraid that if 2K attempts to fix the CPU recovery skills, that it will create even more problems.

The game is not perfect, but I really don't want them to attempt a fix and screw up the beautiful game that they already have. Maybe their dev team can't fix it perfectly at the moment? They are human just like us.

IMO, this is not a "broken" aspect of the game. It could use some improvement but i wouldn't call it broken. And you know what they say, "if it aint broke, dont fix it!".

[Bornindamecca]

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How fixing CPU recovery logic makes the game MORE Sim:

In most of the situations where the ball handler gains an advantage, it is marginal. By improving the CPU logic, i.e. giving it more options for knowing it has lost advantage, you create more decision making opportunities for both players.

In high level competition, expert competitors learn to take advantage of smaller opportunities. Right now, 2k has some trouble with providing smaller ball handling advantages that wouldn't lead to a layup, but just a recoverable collapse of the defense that would put the onus on the defensive players to recover and on offensive players to take advantage of that motion with an open basket, cut or mismatch.

Keep in mind, that some player matchups will provide no real advantage at all, and the offense will need much more than their PG gaining a step off of the dribble to generate a high percentage shot. Shane Larkin getting a step on John Wall, for an extreme example. John's size and athleticism ensure that an aggressive Shane could risk a turnover or block if he over plays his advantage. Shane would have to pull John and the defense in but launch a secondary action after dribble penetration to really capitalize. If the reverse were the case, John might be able to draw harder help, because the defense knows he can finish over Shane if they don't protect the basket.

Now we have a dynamic situation that's dependent on the lineups on the floor, the individual player skill and the ability of both teams to make reads. No defense is created based on keeping John Wall from gaining a step on his man. Or Westbrook, or Teage or Lillard and many others. You minimize the advantage and try to force the opponent to make tough, quick reads.

We can't have that if the CPU is warping out of small advantages back to neutral, or worse, into defensive advantage.

If we don't want the fix to make the game easy or more arcade, it's all about specifying our advice. In that spirit, I ask that we all please stop talking about player success and start talking about CPU behavior.

[RyanFitzmagic]

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I haven't read through the whole thread, but I wanted to say that I feel like the AI isn't necessarily too good defensively, but they are EXTREMELY aggressive defensively. It's like every wing defender is 4th-quarter Tony Allen or something.

They press you at half- or 3/4-court, smother you even if you're standing 30 feet from the basket, and try to ice the pick-and-rolls immediately, and they FULLY commit to the ice as opposed to just sliding slightly to the opposite side of the pick.

[jeebs9]

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If your having trouble, let your ego go, and drop down to pro.

Really that simple.


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That's what I did. And I've been having ball.