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  • TaylorBoi
    Banned
    • Jun 2015
    • 188

    #31
    Re: Mid Range Shot Cheese Is Back With Full Force!

    Originally posted by Biizz713

    It's a shame that I have to be afraid to talk about open 3's not falling and/or mid range going in way too much because if they attempt to fix it I know for a fact they'll make whatever the original problem is just as bad in the opposite direction.

    Smh Looks like a fix is already in place. I guess we'll see how everything turns out tonight. I personally had no issue with mid ranges as defense has improved this year. Now if everybody starts chucking up 3's after this update like they did in 2k15 we'll see a thread on that soon. People are never satisfied.

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    • ufo8mycat
      Just started!
      • Oct 2015
      • 3

      #32
      Re: Mid Range Shot Cheese Is Back With Full Force!

      Guys since we are discussing shooting, regarding using the two different shooting options, Shot Timing and REAL FG%

      Shot Timing success is based on shot release AND that players shot rating
      REAL FG% success based on players shot rating

      Is the above true, or does Shot Timing not factor in shot ratings of that individual player at all, but ONLY timing?


      Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

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      • 2_headedmonster
        MVP
        • Oct 2011
        • 2251

        #33
        Re: Mid Range Shot Cheese Is Back With Full Force!

        Originally posted by Beluba
        I've made some tweaks to lower mid-range shot %'s, as well as slightly raise layups and 3's. The changes should be deployed tonight if everything goes as planned.
        i hope this is the smallest of changes....less is more.

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        • ksuttonjr76
          All Star
          • Nov 2004
          • 8662

          #34
          Re: Mid Range Shot Cheese Is Back With Full Force!

          Originally posted by Beluba
          I've made some tweaks to lower mid-range shot %'s, as well as slightly raise layups and 3's. The changes should be deployed tonight if everything goes as planned.
          I'm about to act a fool with Paul George now, lol. Personally, I didn't mind the current percentages, but I'll give the change a run.

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          • Jhawkfootball06
            Pro
            • Jul 2009
            • 559

            #35
            Re: Mid Range Shot Cheese Is Back With Full Force!

            Originally posted by NicVirtue
            I still can not wrap my head around this mid range cheese stuff.......if the guy has a high shot rating...and he's wide the hell open, how the heck is it cheese if he takes that high percentage shot??? I'm sorry, but it seems like everything is cheese. If I have a wide open mid range shot, I'm taking it. If that makes me a cheeser, then so be it. People on here are upset that shooters miss wide open shots, but complain when people make mid range shots against them? I don't get it.
            As of right now you can make 90% of every single open or very late contest shot anywhere one foot inside the 3-point line, all with a guy that has 85 mid range.

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            • Goffs
              New Ork Giants
              • Feb 2003
              • 12279

              #36
              Re: Mid Range Shot Cheese Is Back With Full Force!

              Originally posted by Beluba
              I've made some tweaks to lower mid-range shot %'s, as well as slightly raise layups and 3's.
              How much is slightly? I don't have any problems with either of those.....gah I don't want to score 40 points in the first quarter on SS/Sim 12 minute games.

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              • T_M3
                Rookie
                • Oct 2014
                • 264

                #37
                Re: Mid Range Shot Cheese Is Back With Full Force!

                Nobody is hitting the mid range when I'm defending them properly in the Park. Occasionally a lucky one will drop but as long as you can play D you have no issues. I got no problems with open mids going in at a high rate

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                • 24ct
                  Pro
                  • Sep 2012
                  • 884

                  #38
                  Re: Mid Range Shot Cheese Is Back With Full Force!

                  My sf jumper is 72 midrange. I still get a lot of greens because of deadeye, bank is open, & fade ace. The midrange is OP but its not cheese, even tho I probably wouldn't miss if my jumper was 85 lol. But ppl just take smarter shots than last year because it's worth 2 now.

                  No problem with the midrange because if you play defense they'll miss. But they could tone down the high percentage of makes for more balance tbh. Even if my shot is 90 I should miss midrange too.

                  It's definitely not like last year in rec where literary 80% of my jumpers were from mid range & green lol.

                  Sidenote. Please don't up the 3s too much Mike. It's actually pretty decent guys don't just bomb 3s in the park all game. Layups might need work but most of them are contested by congestion. But missing when a guy is behind me or on the side with a high defensive rating could be tweaked.
                  Last edited by 24ct; 10-06-2015, 03:23 PM.

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                  • Roger_Black
                    Rookie
                    • May 2015
                    • 157

                    #39
                    Mid Range Shot Cheese Is Back With Full Force!

                    Originally posted by FantasyGuy10
                    As of right now you can make 90% of every single open or very late contest shot anywhere one foot inside the 3-point line, all with a guy that has 85 mid range.

                    And I see nothing wrong with that stat.
                    That's a midrange shot.

                    That extra step JUST BEYOND the 3-point line makes all the difference in the world.

                    The success rates decrease precipitously whenever you take just 1 small step back..... and that's why the shot is worth 3 points.

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                    • Pokes404
                      MVP
                      • Jun 2008
                      • 1720

                      #40
                      Re: Mid Range Shot Cheese Is Back With Full Force!

                      Originally posted by ufo8mycat
                      Guys since we are discussing shooting, regarding using the two different shooting options, Shot Timing and REAL FG%

                      Shot Timing success is based on shot release AND that players shot rating
                      REAL FG% success based on players shot rating

                      Is the above true, or does Shot Timing not factor in shot ratings of that individual player at all, but ONLY timing?

                      Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
                      That's correct. The better you time the release, the better odds you have of making the shot. However, those odds are determined by the player's shot ratings, badges, cold/hot spots, and how open/contested the shot was.

                      Not exactly sure how it works for green/perfect releases though. I don't know if worse shooters have a better chance of missing a green release, or if everyone has the same odds of making/missing a green.

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                      • Jhawkfootball06
                        Pro
                        • Jul 2009
                        • 559

                        #41
                        Re: Mid Range Shot Cheese Is Back With Full Force!

                        Originally posted by Roger_Black
                        And I see nothing wrong with that stat.
                        That's a midrange shot.

                        That extra step JUST BEYOND the 3-point line makes all the difference in the world.

                        The success rates decrease precipitously whenever you take just 1 small step back..... and that's why the shot is worth 3 points.
                        Shooting 90-100% on mid-range jumpers? Is that realistic to you? A wide open 3-point shot is a good shot, but your guy misses occasionally. A wide open 2-point shot is a good shot, but you're allowed to make 90-100%?

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                        • Roger_Black
                          Rookie
                          • May 2015
                          • 157

                          #42
                          Mid Range Shot Cheese Is Back With Full Force!

                          Originally posted by FantasyGuy10
                          Shooting 90-100% on mid-range jumpers? Is that realistic to you? A wide open 3-point shot is a good shot, but your guy misses occasionally. A wide open 2-point shot is a good shot, but you're allowed to make 90-100%?

                          Depends on the spots on the floor he is shooting from.

                          But my answer is YES.
                          It DOES sound realistic to me.

                          Most NBA-level ballers can shoot 90-100% layups. (Uncontested)

                          And these same NBA-level ballers can shoot roughly 90% from midrange, like 12-15 feet away. (Uncontested)

                          Yes - they can stand there and sink 9 out of 10 shots from midrange. They shoot straight in, or hit 'bank shots' off the glass. Again & again.

                          But when these very same NBA-level ballers who can sink midrange jumpers 'like water' take just ONE STEP beyond the arc, with their toes on the 3-point line..... Their accuracy drops off a CLIFF. And they shoot around 30-35% (Uncontested)

                          Yes - that's WHY the shot is worth 3-points.
                          Because it is tough to hit consistently.
                          Even with nobody near you.
                          Last edited by Roger_Black; 10-06-2015, 03:36 PM.

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                          • Brock
                            MVP
                            • Apr 2008
                            • 1442

                            #43
                            Re: Mid Range Shot Cheese Is Back With Full Force!

                            Originally posted by GradyMac
                            Lol, "mid-range" cheese.
                            LMAO This.

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                            • bo.jangles344
                              Banned
                              • Jun 2013
                              • 1007

                              #44
                              Re: Mid Range Shot Cheese Is Back With Full Force!

                              They can adjust shooting now without using a patch. I do agree that 90% success rate for mids is a bit much, but this is the result of people not trusting long range enough. If you pulled down mid success a tad it wouldn't break the game. Tightly contested is about perfect. But it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

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                              • LO6IX
                                Rookie
                                • May 2015
                                • 324

                                #45
                                Re: Mid Range Shot Cheese Is Back With Full Force!

                                Originally posted by TaylorBoi
                                Deadeye maybe? Im positive dude didn't hit that shot every single time like the OP stated above. It happens where people hit super contested jumpers in this game but its not often or every single time.


                                I knew a thread like this would surface sooner or later. I'll let you all sort this one out though. I agree with what KSutton said though.
                                Him and his partner scored both scored 11 and 10 doing this. I know what I'm talking about, this happens often in the Park. Same as last year. They either zig zag for a tiny bit of space and shoot or its a contested step back green release. Old Town does it the most.

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