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  • The 24th Letter
    ERA
    • Oct 2007
    • 39373

    #46
    Re: So This Is The NBA 2K16 Transition Defense At Its Finest

    Originally posted by YDBoUnCe
    The people you're playing against just aren't forcing the issue. If they want to break every possession, they can. There's another thread with videos that demonstrates the transition issue more thoroughly, I'll post the link a little later

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    Some do, some don't. The majority of the time I can manage it, and sometimes I get frustrated with a more 'talented' cheeser where it succeeds. I've worked my way up through PNO to play all types of these players. I'm at NBA level (I think that's what its called) Don't misunderstand my post...its 100% an issue, especially after free throws which is the most mind boggling to me. Also not saying I'm any type of 2k savant. Until we get it fixed, all I can speak to is how I manage it and why its not a game breaking experience for me.

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    • DolfanDave
      Rookie
      • Dec 2002
      • 215

      #47
      Re: So This Is The NBA 2K16 Transition Defense At Its Finest

      I am going to copy word for word what I said in my thread "Am i the one"a few weeks ago as it explain why you see what you see

      "I have found the root problem which is that on a missed shot or free throw 2 players on defense runs to a preprogram spot and plays zone defense on the strong side to protect from a fast break. The problem is they do this no matter the situation or who they are guarding. So even when there is no fast break opportunity players leave their players creating a fast break opportunities. Players will leave their man IN TRANSITION to go to a preprogrammed spot on the court. And they linger in this zone defense even after the ballhandler crosses the half court line which cause even more problem . "


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      Last edited by DolfanDave; 10-16-2015, 08:09 AM.

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      • Luke Skywalker
        Pro
        • Dec 2014
        • 917

        #48
        Re: So This Is The NBA 2K16 Transition Defense At Its Finest

        Damn no wonder I played online he was able to run all those damn fastbreaks successfully

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        • YDBoUnCe
          Rookie
          • Oct 2009
          • 184

          #49
          Re: So This Is The NBA 2K16 Transition Defense At Its Finest

          Originally posted by The 24th Letter
          Some do, some don't. The majority of the time I can manage it, and sometimes I get frustrated with a more 'talented' cheeser where it succeeds. I've worked my way up through PNO to play all types of these players. I'm at NBA level (I think that's what its called) Don't misunderstand my post...its 100% an issue, especially after free throws which is the most mind boggling to me. Also not saying I'm any type of 2k savant. Until we get it fixed, all I can speak to is how I manage it and why its not a game breaking experience for me.
          Never mind, the poster of the other thread posted the video and explanation

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          • Hustle Westbrook
            MVP
            • Jan 2015
            • 3113

            #50
            Re: So This Is The NBA 2K16 Transition Defense At Its Finest

            Another fastbreak after a score.



            Melo scores a layup and I try my best to get him to run back on defense but of course he gets stuck in one of those stupid celebration animations that can't be broken out of. Seriously if you're gonna put them in the game you CANNOT make it an unbreakable animation. It is INSANE how simple stuff like this just goes by 2K, and the worst part is that this has been a problem for YEARS. I don't think anyone would complain if they were just disabled completely.

            The AI Calderon never even stood a chance. Not only does Porzingis ignore Hill the entire time he's running up the court, he blocks Calderon's path to cut him off. Not that it even would have mattered since instead of jogging to cut off Hill's lane to the basket Calderon was shuffling his feet for some odd reason.

            Arron Afflalo is in his own little world. Probably doesn't even realize what's going on.

            For some weird reason my "defensive anchor" Robin Lopez turns his back to Hill as soon as he gets into the 3 point line and probably would have ignored him the entire time if I hadn't switched onto him.

            The icing on the cake is my opponent doing that douchey pause just to mock me like "Haha I'm gonna keep exploiting the crappy *** Ai defense and there's nothing you can do about it!" I still won the game so it's all good though.
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            • 2_headedmonster
              MVP
              • Oct 2011
              • 2251

              #51
              Re: So This Is The NBA 2K16 Transition Defense At Its Finest

              Originally posted by Hustle Westbrook
              Definitely going to try this next time i play. Thanks.
              Any success?

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              • Rockie_Fresh88
                Lockdown Defender
                • Oct 2011
                • 9621

                #52
                Re: So This Is The NBA 2K16 Transition Defense At Its Finest

                Hey guys I've been having a huge problem this year as a big man in pro am with transition defense. Too many times in finding my player simply won't even move or I have to fight for him to move to get back on defense. Sometimes I'll start running back and my player will simply stop moving and won't get back. Any body seen this?

                I'm not complaining about the speed of my big man in transition defense . Too often he just stops moving completely for about a second like my left stick up (2k camera with and without Turbo ) won't work all the time
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                • UnbelievablyRAW
                  MVP
                  • Sep 2011
                  • 1245

                  #53
                  Re: So This Is The NBA 2K16 Transition Defense At Its Finest

                  Why is it that whenever someone posts a legitimate flaw in the CPU behaviour, people make posts suggesting bandaid fixes (like manually turning to big men and having them sprint up the court because they won't otherwise) instead of acknowledging that the core issue is still unresolved and needs to be fixed by 2k? If everyone gives off the impression that none of these things are issues, then none of it will be fixed.

                  Saying do "X" and "get better at the game" doesn't change the fact that the CPU transition defense is terrible at its core.
                  Last edited by UnbelievablyRAW; 10-17-2015, 07:43 AM.

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                  • The 24th Letter
                    ERA
                    • Oct 2007
                    • 39373

                    #54
                    So This Is The NBA 2K16 Transition Defense At Its Finest

                    Originally posted by UnbelievablyRAW
                    Why is it that whenever someone posts a legitimate flaw in the CPU behaviour, people make posts suggesting bandaid fixes (like manually turning to big men and having them sprint up the court because they won't otherwise) instead of acknowledging that the core issue is still unresolved and needs to be fixed by 2k? If everyone gives off the impression that none of these things are issues, then none of it will be fixed.

                    Saying do "X" and "get better at the game" doesn't change the fact that the CPU transition defense is terrible at its core.

                    I'm assuming your upset about the response to your passing thread.

                    You put a band aid on a wound until it heals...(or in this case patched) or you can complain about how much it hurts over and over and do nothing. Either way it takes time...

                    Nobody is saying it isn't an issue....just discussing how you can deal with it until it's fixed....real question is why you wouldn't take that advice?




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                    • UnbelievablyRAW
                      MVP
                      • Sep 2011
                      • 1245

                      #55
                      Re: So This Is The NBA 2K16 Transition Defense At Its Finest

                      Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                      I'm assuming your upset about the response to your passing thread.

                      You put a band aid on a wound until it heals...(or in this case patched) or you can complain about how much it hurts over and over and do nothing. Either way it takes time...

                      Nobody is saying it isn't an issue....just discussing how you can deal with it until it's fixed....real question is why you wouldn't take that advice?




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                      Its the implication that the topic of the thread isn't an issue because a bandaid exists. If the playerbase is saying its fine, then 2k doesn't need to change anything.

                      Simply saying "I don't have this issue" is saying that it isn't prominent or warrants any intervention by 2k as its an ad hoc error. Its very kind of people to offer help (even though he didn't ask for it) assuming the OP doesn't know how to combat the issue in the moment, but the "get gud" responses are pointless.

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                      • The 24th Letter
                        ERA
                        • Oct 2007
                        • 39373

                        #56
                        Re: So This Is The NBA 2K16 Transition Defense At Its Finest

                        Originally posted by UnbelievablyRAW
                        Its the implication that the topic of the thread isn't an issue because a bandaid exists. If the playerbase is saying its fine, then 2k doesn't need to change anything.



                        Simply saying "I don't have this issue" is saying that it isn't prominent or warrants any intervention by 2k as its an ad hoc error. Its very kind of people to offer help (even though he didn't ask for it) assuming the OP doesn't know how to combat the issue in the moment, but the "get gud" responses are pointless.

                        The responses would have to exist to be pointless....again, where are the comments saying this isn't an issue?

                        If 2k can't look at these threads with clear visual evidence and determine there's something that needs to be changed....we're wasting time thinking they can fix it in the first place...

                        Though MANY said they don't have an issue getting past the CPU, Mike chimed in and said a change was coming to nerf the effectiveness of bad defenders...give him credit, he's a pretty smart guy...




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                        • jeebs9
                          Fear is the Unknown
                          • Oct 2008
                          • 47568

                          #57
                          Re: So This Is The NBA 2K16 Transition Defense At Its Finest

                          Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                          The responses would have to exist to be pointless....again, where are the comments saying this isn't an issue?

                          If 2k can't look at these threads with clear visual evidence and determine there's something that needs to be changed....we're wasting time thinking they can fix it in the first place...

                          Though MANY said they don't have an issue getting past the CPU, Mike chimed in and said a change was coming to nerf the effectiveness of bad defenders...give him credit, he's a pretty smart guy...




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                          • thormessiah
                            Rookie
                            • Jun 2015
                            • 486

                            #58
                            Re: So This Is The NBA 2K16 Transition Defense At Its Finest

                            Transition Defense is undoubtedly broken in this game. Even the CPU knows it, because they'll usually run down the court after any miss to try to get a layup at the other end and they usually do.
                            In fact most youtube Domination tutorials tell you to set your POEs to Run In Transition and just throw lobs and get dunks all day because that is the easiest way to score (and get mt). My main frustration with this is the fact that the players that are running down the court on the fast break are faster than the players on my end getting back. It's ridiculous. Anthony freakin' Davis beat my entire team in transition one time, I kid you not. He went coast to coast and no matter how hard I pressed the turbo button all I got was a half-trot animation from my players.
                            However I have recently discovered a solution to combat the run down the court turbo cheese which the CPU uses quite a bit. Its working wonders online.
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                            • Optik
                              MVP
                              • Aug 2012
                              • 1025

                              #59
                              Re: So This Is The NBA 2K16 Transition Defense At Its Finest

                              Just to add to what I said earlier, this problem is causing probably the biggest imbalance in the game between defense and offense. Scoring a bucket is as simple as turboing with a fast player off an inbound - that is many players' PRIMARY offense. Currently on defense, people have tried various settings and POEs to contain this "offense". Defending this requires constant switching which creates MISMATCHES. So if you stop the turbo you might then have to deal with an iso. IRL you would at least have to run a pick and roll to create a mismatch.

                              TL;DR - Scoring requires little effort and no bball IQ. Defending easy scoring is too requires too much attention, fast reflexes.
                              Originally posted by Dogslax41
                              Most people that are asking for a simulation game don’t really want a simulation game because its too hard.

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                              • Hustle Westbrook
                                MVP
                                • Jan 2015
                                • 3113

                                #60
                                Re: So This Is The NBA 2K16 Transition Defense At Its Finest

                                Your typical Play Now Online Match. After the Tony Allen layup you can clearly see Glen Davis wayyyy ahead of Chris Bosh yet somehow, someway by the time Wade catches his half court inbound, Glen Davis is nowhere near Bosh and gets beat to the rim. And don't get it twisted, even if Davis was with Bosh, Wade would have had still gotten to the rim anyway.


                                Here we go again. Poor Celtics didn't even stand a chance. Somehow, someway Paul Pierce is completely oblivious to the fact that LeBron is leaking out. Instead of hustling back on defense to stop the most dangerous man in transition, Paul Pierce gets into some ridiculous backpedaling stance and just acts as if LeBron isn't even there. And yes "Limit Transition" is on. It is on every game.


                                This was just pathetic to watch. Seriously, what the **** 2K? I dunk the ball, the ball rolls out of bounds, Kevin Love goes to pick the ball up, and by the time he inbounds the ball at half court to Dellevadova, only ONE PLAYER is inside the 3 point line ready to defend? ONE PLAYER???? Are you kidding me? Also, once LeBron gets the ball keep an eye on Kyrie's man in the top corner. He doesn't even attempt to stop the LeBron drive. He completely disregards the man with the ball driving to the paint and goes to guard Kyrie who's not even a threat right now?


                                The help defense in this game is trash and the transition defense is even worse. Can something like this even be fixed with a patch? It seems they might have rework the whole damn thing with the way the AI is acting.
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