2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

[bo.jangles344]

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You guys realize melo is one of the most inefficient, high volume scorers in the league? He's a really bad example.

[kabamaru]

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You guys realize melo is one of the most inefficient, high volume scorers in the league? He's a really bad example.

Regardless he is a great scorer. Nevertheless the question is wether in real life he would pull up, or do a stepbak to shoot.
The fact remains, Melo does face-up jumpers. KD too. Do they go in? Surely in a lower ratio than wide open, but surely in a better ratio than in game where you just NEED to create space before the shot

[Peninc]

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So you think that contested shots aren't indicative of real life?

http://stats.nba.com/featured/warriors_cavaliers_sportvu_finals_preview_2015.html

I'll post it again. Low to mid 30s for the 2 best shooters in the league.

I don't have a problem with low to mid 30's contested shot success rates. But that is not what the success rates are in NBA2K16.

Certainly not on the game's simulation settings. In this year's game it is simple, every contested shot gets a C- or below and once that shot grade gets low enough, pretty much nothing will go in, even for the best players/shooters to ever play NBA basketball.

That is the OP's main complaint and he is not wrong. It is one thing to balance the game for gameplay purposes and another thing to recreate realism in the NBA. Some players are so good that they can make a third of their contested shots. In NBA 2K16 they simply cannot do that.

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[jeebs9]

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Thanks Jeebs, that is what a call constructive dialogue.English is not my language so it is possible that I do mistakes. I answer back

a) Yes I want KD to be able to score a face-up jumper. It is more realistic and sim. Cheesers will always find solutions. Moving right stick like madmen or running left and right like headless chickens in 2k15 to get half an inch. Downgrading the players abilities (like constested shots) in order to avoid potential exploit is not the way to go.


b) That's what we both agree on. Contested shot should have a different rating per player. It is not normal that Curry and Korver for example have the same impact by contest shots.

C) in game it is possible that Melo would score from a triple threat, but he would have a better chance to do it after shot creating/stepback freeze move. IRL he would just pull up.

I see what you meant in that last question. Yes Melo would probably just pull up. He isn't one of those create space off the dribble kind of guys that Curry is. I'm not saying he doesn't. But he most likely will just face up and then j you in the face.

I think most people here are aware that the face up jumpers aren't on par with real life. But I think most people here think that the current way is good for now. In my opinion, I like it this way too. Because online is bad already. I think they should look into for next year. But it has to be careful looked into. Because as someone people have expressed here. Sounds like it can be abused.

[Peninc]

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If the d is draped all over any shooter he should miss almost 100% of the time. You still count shots where the player creates space off the dribble as contested, no? Or are we talking about another sport?

The problem also lies in what the user thinks is enough space for a shot and what the game decides is enough space for a successful shot. As gamers we adjust because we know that the rate of success is very low if the defender is not at least 5 virtual feet away. But in game it makes star players seem....ordinary.

The problem also lies in what the CPU can do against you. CPU Curry and Lebron can do what real life Curry and Lebron does while the user/player is severed limited there.

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[acetheredcomet]

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I don't have a problem with low to mid 30's contested shot success rates. But that is not what the success rates are in NBA2K16.

Certainly not on the game's simulation settings. In this year's game it is simple, every contested shot gets a C- or below and once that shot grade gets low enough, pretty much nothing will go in, even for the best players/shooters to ever play NBA basketball.

That is the OP's main complaint and he is not wrong. It is one thing to balance the game for gameplay purposes and another thing to recreate realism in the NBA. Some players are so good that they can make a third of their contested shots. In NBA 2K16 they simply cannot do that.

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If they allow contested shots to go in like patch 4, it will ruin the game for defensive players. If they boost it slightly, I will have no problem, especially for the great shooters. There has to be a reward for good defensive play, and a consequence for players that try to take contested shots instead of open shots. If anything they should boost the open shots so it will be an incentive for players to continually search for the open man. I rarely take contested shots with my player even with deadeye, it isn't smart, but I always run into people that take these shots in Pro-Am and it is irritating, especially if I am placed at the 5 with 2 7'3" centers on the opposing team. I hope that Pro-Am matchmaking can improve where it will search for positions instead of additional players, so teams can be balanced somewhat.

[bo.jangles344]

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There are several badges in this game that allow you to hit contested or with minimal space.

I don't think you guys are thinking this through and i hope it doesn't get a bump. I'm done with this thread.

[kabamaru]

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I see what you meant in that last question. Yes Melo would probably just pull up. He isn't one of those create space off the dribble kind of guys that Curry is. I'm not saying he doesn't. But he most likely will just face up and then j you in the face.

I think most people here are aware that the face up jumpers aren't on par with real life. But I think most people here think that the current way is good for now. In my opinion, I like it the way it is. Because online is bad already. I think they should look into for next year. But it has to be careful looked into. Because as someone people have expressed here. Sounds like it can be abused.

For sure, I remember though when LD2k presented the game, said that for 2k16, you would your game to resemble the real players game to be efficient. As an example he used Harden and that you should drive to the basket to draw foul

In your video you use Durant in a Harden,Curry way, but not as KD. You did that in order to make shot. KD would never or very rarely do that. He would just shoot over Harden (Harden wouln't even raise his hand )

[bo.jangles344]

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they should boost the open shots so it will be an incentive for players to continually search for the open man. I rarely take contested shots with my player even with deadeye, it isn't smart

They already boosted wide open and we're having a conversation about contested not even 2 months into release. I don't get it.

[kabamaru]

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If they allow contested shots to go in like patch 4, it will ruin the game for defensive players. If they boost it slightly, I will have no problem, especially for the great shooters. There has to be a reward for good defensive play, and a consequence for players that try to take contested shots instead of open shots. If anything they should boost the open shots so it will be an incentive for players to continually search for the open man. I rarely take contested shots with my player even with deadeye, it isn't smart, but I always run into people that take these shots in Pro-Am and it is irritating, especially if I am placed at the 5 with 2 7'3" centers on the opposing team. I hope that Pro-Am matchmaking can improve where it will search for positions instead of additional players, so teams can be balanced somewhat.

I disagree.
Contested shots didn't get a boost on patch 4. If anything they were reduced.
Wide open shoots were increased in 2k15 patch 4.
Beluba had confirmed it here that he raised uncontested shots to "reward" the player who played the offense well enough to get him wide open.

The problem with patch 4 is that players were to easy to get wide open due to poor defense AI, AND zigzag that made you create space and take a "wide open" shot very easily.

If once in a while you were managing to counter zigzag and contest the shoot the shoot would still brick

[acetheredcomet]

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For sure, I remember though when LD2k presented the game, said that for 2k16, you would your game to resemble the real players game to be efficient. As an example he used Harden and that you should drive to the basket to draw foul

In your video you use Durant in a Harden,Curry way, but not as KD. You did that in order to make shot. KD would never or very rarely do that. He would just shoot over Harden (Harden wouln't even raise his hand )

If anything they should take height as a factor for shots, like taller players can shoot over smaller defenders with better success than a even height defender, this could push for locating mismatches.

[acetheredcomet]

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I disagree.
Contested shots didn't get a boost on patch 4. If anything they were reduced.
Wide open shoots were increased in 2k15 patch 4.
Beluba had confirmed it here that he raised uncontested shots to "reward" the player who played the offense well enough to get him wide open.

The problem with patch 4 is that players were to easy to get wide open due to poor defense AI, AND zigzag that made you create space and take a "wide open" shot very easily.

If once in a while you were managing to counter zigzag and contest the shoot the shoot would still brick

I guess, but I used to see a lot of contested shots still go in at high frequencies in JRC with the space created was minimal.

[Peninc]

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If they allow contested shots to go in like patch 4, it will ruin the game for defensive players. If they boost it slightly, I will have no problem, especially for the great shooters. There has to be a reward for good defensive play, and a consequence for players that try to take contested shots instead of open shots. If anything they should boost the open shots so it will be an incentive for players to continually search for the open man. I rarely take contested shots with my player even with deadeye, it isn't smart, but I always run into people that take these shots in Pro-Am and it is irritating, especially if I am placed at the 5 with 2 7'3" centers on the opposing team. I hope that Pro-Am matchmaking can improve where it will search for positions instead of additional players, so teams can be balanced somewhat.

Online and multiplayer are a different situation all together. It must be incredibly difficult to recreate real NBA basketball in the online portion of the game and that is part of the reason that I almost never play online. Online multiplayer is simply about who can learn and abuse the game's mechanics enough to gain an advantage over the other.

It's hard to watch, especially on twitch and YouTube. No real basketball is played. You know the game has to be neutered when the devs have to design a pause or stutter in your running animation when you go around a pick, just to ensure that people can't just turbo into the lane at will. But that's a different story.

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[bo.jangles344]

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I disagree.
Contested shots didn't get a boost on patch 4. If anything they were reduced.
Wide open shoots were increased in 2k15 patch 4.
Beluba had confirmed it here that he raised uncontested shots to "reward" the player who played the offense well enough to get him wide open.

The problem with patch 4 is that players were to easy to get wide open due to poor defense AI, AND zigzag that made you create space and take a "wide open" shot very easily.

If once in a while you were managing to counter zigzag and contest the shoot the shoot would still brick

Just can't stay away...

That is false. Shots were upped across the board and also shot animations were guaranteed more green releases and since defense didn't effect the release point they went in even heavily contested. I know this because i ended up making a 6'10 sf and constantly had people draining in my face. Half the time they didn't care if you contested because next time down they would just pull and likely get a green since they were guaranteed. This year is much improved but still not enough penalty is enforced for shooting off the dribble.

Not everyone is steph curry, there's only one. Even if you play with steph doesn't guarantee you can play like him.

The second we start rewarding people for taking stupid shots the second online competitiveness ends.

[kabamaru]

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You know the game has to be neutered when the devs have to design a pause or stutter in your running animation when you go around a pick, just to ensure that people can't just turbo into the lane at will.

ISO pick and fade with LBJ and Yao and was one of my main offensive strategies in 2k15, when very very few people used pick 'n' rolls (this year almost everyone does due to the inability of AI to defend)

I was shocked that LBJ would just NOT go around the pick and hesitate when the game first came out.