2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

[THE6GOD]

Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

You know there are different degrees of contested, right? Like yeah, if there's a guy in your t-shirt you should miss 9/10 from three even with Curry. At least, in the game. If that goes in at even a 50% rate you break the game.

I think that's where this stems from. To balance the game, you cannot have curry hit everything at a good Clio regardless of defense. Stop using the best shooter on the planet as a median number, guys.

That's unfair because he's broken in real life. He hits shots he has no business taking. Everyone knows it. He is the best shooter on 2k16. But what will happen if it's tweaked the way people are complaining is every game will be GSW vs. GSW online. Same way 2k13-14 was the heat or Lakers only. Or 15 was Cavs/thunder only.

People act like Curry shoots like Josh Smith from 3 in 2k16. You can still hit contested shots, but you shouldn't be shooting 10 contested shots with Curry a game.

Actually...now that I think about it: Why are so many people taking that many contested shots in the first place? Shouldn't you, you know, move the ball around until you find an open guy. Or run a play? Anything? You shouldn't be settling for a bad shot unless the clock is at 1. If all your shots are at 1 or 2 on the shot clock...you're running the offense poorly and are probably trying to ISO too much


To Lelets, I can't quote your post, but I read your stats and they are accurate. The difference is a lot of the complaints are that these percentages are not occuring in single games. Your stats are an entire season, correct? So yes, if after a season in 2k those don't line up, tweaks may be needed. But in a single game those will vary greatly game to game. One game harden might be on fire and shoot lights out, one game he might do average, and one he might be shooting all bricks. That will average out over 82 games and give you a percentage. That's where your statistics are coming from and I get it.

You also have to take into account how hard it is to program that in while preserving a balance. If they look at that and say: Curry shots 36% contested during the regular season, and program the game to say he just flat out does that, it kills the experience. So mathematically, if I shoot 100 shots contested with curry, that's 36 makes. 36x3 is 108. Cut that in half and it's 54. Most quick matches get to 60/70 points on default qtr length.

That means my online tactic is to shoot nothing but 3's with steph, and between open and contested, I'm beating teams with Curry by himself. That homogenizes the game into who gets more to drop with Curry, destroys the MyTeam economy since ideally you want the best Curry to win, and means all park/my players are curry clones. The game is now NBA2k16: 3 point shoot out, and that's a world I hope no one wants to live in

Matter of fact I'm starting to think curry signature contested shot may be the problem. Instead of having multiple contested shot forms curry has only one. Curry has the same animation every single time it's contested and again u can not again can not hit the shot. So maybe 2k needs to change his signature contested shot to normal because normal has multiple contested shots. If u play with curry and it's the contested shot animation u will never make that shot period and again it's when curry does his signature shot animation u will air ball or hit the front of the rim. Go to edit look at his contested shot then play the game if u get contested and he shoots that animation u will miss the shot and trust me I know I'm still tryna hit a shot when it's goes into his contested shot animation shot it's impossible, yes I said it rite impossible!

[Sundown]

Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

Why dont you pass to the open man instead. Did you miss the finals last year when Curry was jacking bricks being bothered by dellavadova?

A good fg% is over 50% i bet u are complaining about shooting 65% or more..

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That happened for one game. Curry was also missing a ton of open shots (which is why open shots shouldn't be automatic).

Then Curry destroyed Dellavedova by sizing him up and step backing in his grill.

[jeebs9]

Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

I don't see anyone talking about the removal of the shoot in traffic rating. I believe this is what's breaking the gameplay in 2K. the game has no systematic way of distinguishing Step Curry from Klay Thompson. Two great shooters, but completely different shooters. Curry being a pull up shooter, and Thompson being a spot up shooter.

I brought this up already. There is part of me that doesn't like this rating. It can be abused. I usually think guys that can hit contested shots get warmed up first. I had a guy hitting contested shoots after hitting a few 3's with Curry. Because I gave 3's after playing gap. But guys online don't even try to go through the warm up process. They just think it's Curry. And he is suppose to hit 3's no matter what. This is why I love this years game. I really hope they don't change it.

Because at the end of the day. Contest shots shouldn't go in. But once in a while they do. This is why we need to look at streaks.

[jeebs9]

Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

Matter of fact I'm starting to think curry signature contested shot may be the problem. Instead of having multiple contested shot forms curry has only one. Curry has the same animation every single time it's contested and again u can not again can not hit the shot. So maybe 2k needs to change his signature contested shot to normal because normal has multiple contested shots. If u play with curry and it's the contested shot animation u will never make that shot period and again it's when curry does his signature shot animation u will air ball or hit the front of the rim. Go to edit look at his contested shot then play the game if u get contested and he shoots that animation u will miss the shot and trust me I know I'm still tryna hit a shot when it's goes into his contested shot animation shot it's impossible, yes I said it rite impossible!

That last part is not true..... Just because you see the contest shot animation. DOES NOT MEAN THE SHOT WAS CONTESTED. There are other factors. The contest might be last. This was shown in another thread.

And Curry does shoot airballs. We've all seen it during the finals.

[THE6GOD]

Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

I brought this up already. There is part of me that doesn't like this rating. It can be abused. I usually think guys that can hit contested shots get warmed up first. I had a guy hitting contested shoots after hitting a few 3's with Curry. Because I gave 3's after playing gap. But guys online don't even try to go through the warm up process. They just think it's Curry. And he is suppose to hit 3's no matter what. This is why I love this years game. I really hope they don't change it.

Because at the end of the day. Contest shots shouldn't go in. But once in a while they do.

It's not really contested! The contested shot has its own animation trust me u will know when it's truly contested u will miss 99.9%. Every player has the contested shot form. Curry is easy to know when it's truly contested because no matter what u will miss! And his contested shot only has one form it's a fade where he jumps about a inch off the ground if u get that animation u will miss. " normal" contested shot has about 4 different style shots in one package. Curry only has one in contested shot package. Just look at it in the edit so u know what it looks like, then go play a game if it's contested u will get that animation and I will PayPal u money if u hit one shot when he does the contested shot animation!

[THE6GOD]

Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

That last part is not true..... Just because you see the contest shot animation. DOES NOT MEAN THE SHOT WAS CONTESTED. There are other factors. The contest might be last. This was shown in another thread.

And Curry does shoot airballs. We've all seen it during the finals.

I'm telling u that if that animation come up u can not make it period what are u talking about stop talking and go try then come back and post. I know because I play with him every single day. And that is his animation when it's contested and it may trigger 4-5 times or more a game and if u trigger that shot animation u will not make it period all u guys talking and not backing it up go try it and let me know when u make a shot with his signature contested animation. I'm done talking because it's facts

[jeebs9]

Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

It's not really contested! The contested shot has its own animation trust me u will know when it's truly contested u will miss 99.9%. Every player has the contested shot form. Curry is easy to know when it's truly contested because no matter what u will miss! And his contested shot only has one form it's a fade where he jumps about a inch off the ground if u get that animation u will miss. " normal" contested shot has about 4 different style shots in one package. Curry only has one in contested shot package. Just look at it in the edit so u know what it looks like, then go play a game if it's contested u will get that animation and I will PayPal u money if u hit one shot when he does the contested shot animation!

Dude.... I've hit shots like what your talking about with Curry. But it wasn't right off the back. He usually was HOOOT. The contested shot animation does not mean miss. There are other factors that go into if it was an air ball or badly missed. Get your paypal ready..... haha

[jeebs9]

Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

I'm telling u that if that animation come up u can not make it period what are u talking about stop talking and go try then come back and post. I know because I play with him every single day. And that is his animation when it's contested and it may trigger 4-5 times or more a game and if u trigger that shot animation u will not make it period all u guys talking and not backing it up go try it and let me know when u make a shot with his signature contested animation. I'm done talking because it's facts

It's not the facts.... Because you didn't post a video of all the air balls and contest shots you took with Curry. So as of right now.... It's just your opinion and experience (Which none of us have seen).

I'm stealing this from another thread. I hope the user doesn't mind.

http://xboxclips.com/LBx6IX/51015924-e145-432b-bf1c-16ac0c4e2c14

They have said that is an open shot. And even though not in this clip it goes down. I've seen a bunch of times. When a player is hot. I've seen this shot go down. And the more I'm in this thread the more I think it should stay like this. Because how often does Curry just hit 3's contested.

[THE6GOD]

Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

Dude.... I've hit shots like what your talking about with Curry. But it wasn't right off the back. He usually was HOOOT. The contested shot animation does not mean miss. There are other factors that go into if it was an air ball or badly missed. Get your paypal ready..... haha

Yeah post it too. Because his contested shot animation u will not be hitting those shots! That contested shot signature animation your not splashing those. It's only one animation so I know what it look like so please post u splashing his signature contested shot animation. Lol I'm waiting! Again just because a guy tryna block u means it's a video game contested shot in the game truly contested goes into the "curry signature contested shot animation" and when that happens you not splashing those bruh! And it's easy to know because curry only has one animation in that package it's looks like a fall away shot and he leave his hand up. So please post u splashing that!

[lelets]

Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

To Lelets, I can't quote your post, but I read your stats and they are accurate. The difference is a lot of the complaints are that these percentages are not occuring in single games. Your stats are an entire season, correct? So yes, if after a season in 2k those don't line up, tweaks may be needed. But in a single game those will vary greatly game to game. One game harden might be on fire and shoot lights out, one game he might do average, and one he might be shooting all bricks. That will average out over 82 games and give you a percentage. That's where your statistics are coming from and I get it.

You also have to take into account how hard it is to program that in while preserving a balance. If they look at that and say: Curry shots 36% contested during the regular season, and program the game to say he just flat out does that, it kills the experience. So mathematically, if I shoot 100 shots contested with curry, that's 36 makes. 36x3 is 108. Cut that in half and it's 54. Most quick matches get to 60/70 points on default qtr length.

That means my online tactic is to shoot nothing but 3's with steph, and between open and contested, I'm beating teams with Curry by himself. That homogenizes the game into who gets more to drop with Curry, destroys the MyTeam economy since ideally you want the best Curry to win, and means all park/my players are curry clones. The game is now NBA2k16: 3 point shoot out, and that's a world I hope no one wants to live in

Yeah, it's normal that every match it's different, sometimes harden-curry-durant-anthony miss every contested shot, or almost, sometimes they hot also more than 50%. But in 2k16 an heavy contested shot, as always, or almost always, an "f" grade, so that shot has really low percentage, sure less than 10%, think 5% more or less, and it's not real.
I love simulation basketball, so i dont want curry makes contested shots often, or if it's alone he hits always a jumper, instead i like the open shot are not sure to hit, but it's normal to miss sometimes, for me it would be better to miss more open shot, obviously it depends about the attributes of every player.
Obviously i talk about mid range and 3 points shot. But the problem is that now it's too simple contested heavily a shot with lt trigger, too often, too simple, and that shot are really often graded "f".
So for me there are 3 possible solutions:
- the more simple, increase the % of success about contested shots, just a bit, so not 5% for example, but 10-15%. This is the more simple but the less accurate.
- try to make lt trigger less simple to use, so many contested heavily jumper, so that shot grade "f" maybe decome c or d, or something similar.
- and the better, but less simple, for me it's to change the grade ot that shots. Not "f", but maybe c+,c,c- or d+,d,d- or f for the poor shooter or offensive player.
Obviously itdepends from the type of shot, from the attribute of players (mid range and 3 point moving jumer, awareness and consistency offensive, and others), his badge (shot creator, deadeye...), and the attribute of the defender (defense on the ball, contest shot, awareness and consistency defensive...), and his badge. So every player will have a different grade, maybe c(+ -), maybe d(+ -), maybe f, so curry will hit that shot for example at the 25%, durant 22%, irving 20%, i make random numers, but i think you understand.

I repeat, i like simulation basketball, i prefer that will be more miss open shot (sometimes in the real also a great shooter makes an airball for example...), but the contested shot % must be increase. Look at nba match, in every nba match there are many contested shots that goes in, obvoiusly in one season curry or harden or durant will hit more than livingston, beverley or singler.
Not 36% for example about curry realnba %, because you say a right thing, everybody shoot shoot and shoot with the superstar or good offensive player, but also no %5 of now, but a mix from 5% for the worst offensive player, at max for 25-30% for the superstar, and in the mix all others.
So noboby will try a circus shot, or superstar against the world, beacuse 25-30% it's better but not too good, but in the real some actions finish in a contested heavvily shots, and % must increase a bit, now it's really really poor, for every player.

p.s. this argoment it's not limited to curry, or ten/twenty superstars, but it's about almost to every player on the offensive floor.

[THE6GOD]

Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

It's not the facts.... Because you didn't post a video of all the air balls and contest shots you took with Curry. So as of right now.... It's just your opinion and experience (Which none of us have seen).

I'm stealing this from another thread. I hope the user doesn't mind.

http://xboxclips.com/LBx6IX/51015924-e145-432b-bf1c-16ac0c4e2c14

They have said that is an open shot. And even though not in this clip it goes down. I've seen a bunch of times. When a player is hot. I've seen this shot go down. And the more I'm in this thread the more I think it should stay like this. Because how often does Curry just hit 3's contested.

Bro I just broke it down for u lol! This ain't real life. In this game a truly contested shot curry will go into his true contested shot animation! Ain't rocket science and when he go into that shot animation in which he only has one. U will not hit that shot period. So agin go look at it first in the edit menu so u know what the shot looks like. And try shoot mid ranges shot u can only trigger it with a defender on u.and each time if it's truly contested he will shoot it in his contested signature shot form. U will not make that shot no matter where u are on the court. I'm breaking it down to the animation! And I think that is the problem.

[THE6GOD]

Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

It's not the facts.... Because you didn't post a video of all the air balls and contest shots you took with Curry. So as of right now.... It's just your opinion and experience (Which none of us have seen).

I'm stealing this from another thread. I hope the user doesn't mind.

http://xboxclips.com/LBx6IX/51015924-e145-432b-bf1c-16ac0c4e2c14

They have said that is an open shot. And even though not in this clip it goes down. I've seen a bunch of times. When a player is hot. I've seen this shot go down. And the more I'm in this thread the more I think it should stay like this. Because how often does Curry just hit 3's contested.

When I get off work I will try make a video to explain for u. Idk about other players but with curry yes if u trigger his "signature contested shot" it's impossible bruh.

[jeebs9]

Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

Bro I just broke it down for u lol! This ain't real life. In this game a truly contested shot curry will go into his true contested shot animation! Ain't rocket science and when he go into that shot animation in which he only has one. U will not hit that shot period. So agin go look at it first in the edit menu so u know what the shot looks like. And try shoot mid ranges shot u can only trigger it with a defender on u.and each time if it's truly contested he will shoot it in his contested signature shot form. U will not make that shot no matter where u are on the court. I'm breaking it down to the animation! And I think that is the problem.

Yea like I said already.... When Curry gets hot.... It's going down. Especially on late contest. And I'm just saying.... My email is [email protected].

But besides that....If you get Curry open.... It's going down..... If you hit a few shots with him. Look out. Late contest do nothing to that guy.

[The 24th Letter]

2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

The contested shot animation isn't some new discovery man, it's supposed to trigger when your under heavy pressure....sometimes it triggers when you aren't, which is being patched....this isn't the sole way of determining whether a shot is contested though...that doesn't make any sense.

Jeebs: he's talking about the specific animation where Curry has to bring the ball up from his hip because he doesn't have enough room to go into his form....

[THE6GOD]

Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

Yea like I said already.... When Curry gets hot.... It's going down. Especially on late contest. And I'm just saying.... My email is [email protected].

But besides that....If you get Curry open.... It's going down..... If you hit a few shots with him. Look out. Late contest do nothing to that guy.

I understand that but once his contested shot animation is triggered it's not gonna go in. I guess I know because that's the only team I play with, and only way to stay away from that animation is to get separation. The animation looks exactly like his fade away. I think it's a issue with every player contested shot animation, but I can only speak for curry idk about other players because I only pay attention to curry shots. Hot or not I never once made a "signature contested shot" animation shot.