2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

[magicman32]

Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

Was messing around with Curry a bit on SS/SIM....haven't really Played with him all that much....

He's got range on him, lol

In my experience it doesn't seem like just anyone can just knock these down

https://vid.me/kdfB

I've played with curry and the warriors quite a bit. The reason I started was because of a thread on this site saying that they couldn't shoot with curry. I forget what the thread was called. Warriors are a fun team to play with. Anyway, curry has "limitless range" badge and the entire 3 point line is a hot spot for him. LOL. He's got crazy range and I don't have any issues with his shooting. I've even hit a step back game winner on the baseline with him in one game I played.

He's still a beast in this game. Especially in the 4th quarter. So I don't know what a lot of people who can't shoot with him are talking about. LOL

[magicman32]

Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

Gee, I made a thread late at night and here I am copping abuse for not posting video evidence. I'll get you your evidence.

Also tired of people saying the game will be ridiculous if guys like Kobe hit tough shots a lot. That's simulation basketball, guys like Kobe hit those shots....

This post is funny. We are 3 games in. All kobe is doing right now is throwing up bricks. What shots are kobe hitting?

[jeebs9]

Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

I've played with curry and the warriors quite a bit. The reason I started was because of a thread on this site saying that they couldn't shoot with curry. I forget what the thread was called. Warriors are a fun team to play with. Anyway, curry has "limitless range" badge and the entire 3 point line is a hot spot for him. LOL. He's got crazy range and I don't have any issues with his shooting. I've even hit a step back game winner on the baseline with him in one game I played.

He's still a beast in this game. Especially in the 4th quarter. So I don't know what a lot of people who can't shoot with him are talking about. LOL

The thing is some users just don't know how to use certain players. I have a whole video of a guy. Driving to the rim with Curry like he was LeBron. This was after using gap to start the game. When I finally told him over the mic what I was doing. He finally started shooting 3's. He won.... But this guy would of kept playing the same way.

[denverbro89]

Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

I don't see anyone talking about the removal of the shoot in traffic rating. I believe this is what's breaking the gameplay in 2K. the game has no systematic way of distinguishing Step Curry from Klay Thompson. Two great shooters, but completely different shooters. Curry being a pull up shooter, and Thompson being a spot up shooter.

[THE6GOD]

Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

While I admire their efforts to lower the frequency of jumpers going in (it was pretty ridiculous at times last season), it seems this season it has come at the expense of shots taken when you size up your opponent, use pivot moves, or take tough late shot clock jumpers.

Now before you jump on me and say they don't happen often in real life, here's what I'll say. In a way it's true, but then you go watch LeBron, Curry, Kobe etc and they hit these shots with far greater regularity than in 2K.

Right now unless Curry is wide open, he airballs or badly misses any shot where a defender gets anywhere near him. It's ridiculous, just go look at his 53 point explosion yesterday and look at some of the ridiculous shots he makes.

Superstars and great shooters should not be impacted so heavily by what a defender does to them. Curry doesn't even care if Anthony Davis is on him. LeBron will happily take fallaways from anywhere and hit them, yet in 2K this seems to be a lost art.

I also have a feeling it is to do with the forced animations that occur when the defender gets within a distance of the shooter. I know they're fixing that, but I really hope they look at fixing this other blatant shooting issue.

I should be able to use jab steps, hesitations etc with players with the right amount of skill to create that gap necessary to get a shot off and hit it at a decent clip.

Right now it feels as though you need to completely lose the defender to hit shots regularly.

I am so glad you have spoke about this! It's so in realistic it's not even funny! If u play with curry it will give u that stupid fade contested shot forum and u will 99.9% hit the front or air ball! And it's just fake. In 2k curry is still stiff u should be able to shoot off dribble anywhere! But contested shot with curry is totally off idk what's that about but that animation u can never make that contested shot forum period!

[THE6GOD]

Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

So let me just pass the ball the to Curry on the wing and shoot a contested 3 off the catch everytime. You guys are trying to make this game too realistic. There are different levels of contested shots in this game (in the guys face, on-ball hand up, close out fly by) and they all result as they should for a basketball SIMULATION. You complain about stars not hitting contested shots.... go play on HOF sim. Lebron will plow thru you driving, hit a contested fade from the post. Curry will splash 3s on you if you sag off a little bit. The game is plenty realistic. I gotta admit at first I loved the game, then hated it, but now I love it even more than before because the expectations have already been set.

No. With curry contested shot you will get currys contested shot forum and u will let me repeat you will Miss the shot 99.9% air ball or tap the front of the rim. Curry is way to stiff in the game he is basically a spot up shooter in the game. But I think 2k has his consistency to low at a 85

[ViolenceFight]

Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

I don't see anyone talking about the removal of the shoot in traffic rating. I believe this is what's breaking the gameplay in 2K. the game has no systematic way of distinguishing Step Curry from Klay Thompson. Two great shooters, but completely different shooters. Curry being a pull up shooter, and Thompson being a spot up shooter.

It's 2-3 pages back, buried under a mountain of BS. General consensus was we'd all love to have it back as long as it's doesn't lead to an abusable-cheesy tactic online.

[denverbro89]

Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

we right now all we have is the deadeye and shot creator badge,

[THE6GOD]

Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

yep, totally killed

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That's not contested buddy! The contested shot goes into the contested signature shot and if u get that animation u will not make the shot period! Look at currys contested shot in the edit menu them play and u know when it is contested it will go into curry fade contested shot forum and u will miss 99.9%

[THE6GOD]

Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

But it's actually not quite obvious. Because they changed so much this year that a lot of the problems are actually user error that the user tries to blame on the game. Shooting this year is fine. The only ones who complain seem to be people that don't want to adapt to the new system. The video request is to see what's being used because, despite what you believe, most of us play the game enough to be able to tell you why something isn't working and help you figure out what you can do to make it work.

When examples are given, specifically to you, you fire back with garbage like:"yall can't even answer a question", "that's too much science" or "You don't play the game enough". There's one unchanged variable in all these threads abut problems so far. Just throwing that out there

Look man it's simple go to any player in the edit menu u will see there signature contested shot forum. Go play a game shoot a shot with defense on u if u get that signature contested shot form? U will miss it 99.9% rate curry sig contested shot is like a fade that he jumps 1 inch. If u get that contested shot forum he will miss it closest I think anyone got to the rim contested is tap the front of the rim because u will air ball 9/10

[lelets]

Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

i have already post that in another thread. so the reality it's different from 2k16. read it.

I tell my opinion about defence and contested/open shots.
Also, now about defense, it's too simple contest shots, with lt trigger, and it's not real that EVERY contested shots has a grade "f", that does means never hits one (or almost never maybe...)mid or 3 point range jumper contested.
In the real basketball players like, curry, harden, westbrook, anthony,lebron,kobe, and many other good offensive players, hit sometimes (who more often, who less...) contested mid range or 3 contested shots. Now, in 2k16 it's impossibile, always "F" grade, and always miss that shots, not real.
In offline, maybe with awareness and consistence sliders, it's possible to adjust this, but online it's absurd. If a shots it's contested, you always miss it.
I agree that if you defend well, the % of shots decrease, but now it's unreal, it's not decrease, but it's almost impossible. In nba you see good/great defense, but so many shots goes in anyway, in 2k no.

I post the real stats, not my opinion, but real basketball.
For example, talk about the difference between very tight contested shots (the most difficult shots), and open shots (the most simple), 2 and 3 points. look at the closest defender shots> 10 feet, not lay up within 10 feet:

westbrook

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201566/tracking/shots/

38% about contested 2 points shots, and 52% opens shots.
20% contested 3 points shots, and 37% open 3 points shots

harden

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201935/tracking/shots/

25% contested 2 points shots 44% open 2 points shots
25% 3 points contested shots, and 42% 3 points open

curry

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/

36% 2 points contested shots, and 50% open 2 points shots

anthony

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2546/tracking/shots/

42% contested 2 points shots, and 59% open shots
33% contested 3 points shots, and 50% open 3 points shots

bryant

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/tracking/shots/

33% contested 2 points shots, 45% open 2 points shots
12% contested 3 points shots 30%open 3 points shots

butler

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/202710/tracking/shots/

50% contested 2 point shots, 49% 2 points open shots = he shoot better contested, lol
25% contested 3 points shots 37%open 3 points shots

conley

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201144/tracking/shots/

25% contested 2 points shots, 43% open 2 points shots
48% contested 3 points shots (tight, not really tight) 37%open 3 points shots

redick

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/200755/tracking/shots/

48% contested 2 points shots, 57% open 2 points shots
36% contested 3 points shots 47%open 3 points shots

korver

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2594/tracking/shots/

41% contested 2 points shots, 58% open 2 points shots
50% contested 3 points shots 53%open 3 points shots

rose

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201565/tracking/shots/

45% contested 2 points shots, 50% open 2 points shots
18% contested 3 points shots (tight) 25%open 3 points shots

paul

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/101108/tracking/shots/

35% contested 2 points shots, 62% open 2 points shots
33% contested 3 points shots 41%open 3 points shots

gay

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/200752/tracking/shots/

44% contested 2 points shots, 70% open 2 points shots
20% contested 3 points shots 44%open 3 points shots

lillard

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/203081/tracking/shots/

46% contested 2 points shots, 47% open 2 points shots
17% contested 3 points shots 35%open 3 points shots

t.evans

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201936/tracking/shots/

40% contested 2 points shots, 47% open 2 points shots
36% contested 3 points shots (tight)35%open 3 points shots

beal

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/203078/tracking/shots/

19% contested 2 points shots, 25% open 2 points shots
44% contested 3 points shots(tight) 39%open 3 points shots

also big men:

davis

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/203076/tracking/shots/

36% contested 2 points shots, 49% open 2 points shots

bosh

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2547/tracking/shots/

42% contested 2 points shots, 57% open 2 points shots

cousins

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/202326/tracking/shots/

58% contested 2 points shots, 42% open 2 points shots

randolph

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2216/tracking/shots/

54% contested 2 points shots, 34% open 2 points shots = he shoots really better in contested shots


some other consideration about this:
- it's not real that in nba2k16 a really tight shot has a 0-5% success % of 2-3 point shots, and always grade f.
- it's not real that players have enormous different between contested or open shots, in reality every player has difference, big or small, and somebody shoots better contested than open shot. in every case no real the situation in the game now
- there are really bit very tight 2-3 point shots in the reality (except randolph, and some others...), in the game with lt trigger it's too simple contested very tight a shot > 10 feet, and there are so many contested shots.
- i talked only about the difference between very tught, and very open, but the difference it's less if consider a tight, and not very tight.
- about the midrange the better player in the league is chris paul, 62% open mid range, irrealistic if somebody shoots 65-70% or more, not in one match, but after several games.
- i talked about some players, but this happens almost to every player,also not really good player, sure for the good offensive player. in the 2k it's totally wrong and unrealistic.

so, 2k guys, you have to consider this, and change the success shot, and the attributes about every player on offensive end, consistency, awareness, about 2-3 point shots. now, it works really really bad.
cheers and sorry for my bad english.

no, i put the % of very tight contested shots, except 1-2 players thats shoot really bit often that kind of shots. and i specified that.i dont't know if i missed some stats, but i talked only about very tight contested shots, not light.
i written that in the nba very tight contested shots are bit frequent, yes, 1,7 %read it. in the game it's too simple contested shots very tight, with lt trigger, so than real nba there are too many contested shots really tight, and % are near at 0, but in the reality it's not so low.
10% o rlower? lol, look at my link, i write the exact % about really tight 2-3 point shots.
About big men, randolph it's a perfect tipe of player that shoots very well nearfrom the basket when it's heavy contested.
so, i repeat, it's not real that so many shots have grade "F" and nothing goes in, in the reality that shots are not "f", or they hit more often.

[ViolenceFight]

Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

Look man it's simple go to any player in the edit menu u will see there signature contested shot forum. Go play a game shoot a shot with defense on u if u get that signature contested shot form? U will miss it 99.9% rate curry sig contested shot is like a fade that he jumps 1 inch. If u get that contested shot forum he will miss it closest I think anyone got to the rim contested is tap the front of the rim because u will air ball 9/10

You know there are different degrees of contested, right? Like yeah, if there's a guy in your t-shirt you should miss 9/10 from three even with Curry. At least, in the game. If that goes in at even a 50% rate you break the game.

I think that's where this stems from. To balance the game, you cannot have curry hit everything at a good Clio regardless of defense. Stop using the best shooter on the planet as a median number, guys.

That's unfair because he's broken in real life. He hits shots he has no business taking. Everyone knows it. He is the best shooter on 2k16. But what will happen if it's tweaked the way people are complaining is every game will be GSW vs. GSW online. Same way 2k13-14 was the heat or Lakers only. Or 15 was Cavs/thunder only.

People act like Curry shoots like Josh Smith from 3 in 2k16. You can still hit contested shots, but you shouldn't be shooting 10 contested shots with Curry a game.

Actually...now that I think about it: Why are so many people taking that many contested shots in the first place? Shouldn't you, you know, move the ball around until you find an open guy. Or run a play? Anything? You shouldn't be settling for a bad shot unless the clock is at 1. If all your shots are at 1 or 2 on the shot clock...you're running the offense poorly and are probably trying to ISO too much


To Lelets, I can't quote your post, but I read your stats and they are accurate. The difference is a lot of the complaints are that these percentages are not occuring in single games. Your stats are an entire season, correct? So yes, if after a season in 2k those don't line up, tweaks may be needed. But in a single game those will vary greatly game to game. One game harden might be on fire and shoot lights out, one game he might do average, and one he might be shooting all bricks. That will average out over 82 games and give you a percentage. That's where your statistics are coming from and I get it.

You also have to take into account how hard it is to program that in while preserving a balance. If they look at that and say: Curry shots 36% contested during the regular season, and program the game to say he just flat out does that, it kills the experience. So mathematically, if I shoot 100 shots contested with curry, that's 36 makes. 36x3 is 108. Cut that in half and it's 54. Most quick matches get to 60/70 points on default qtr length.

That means my online tactic is to shoot nothing but 3's with steph, and between open and contested, I'm beating teams with Curry by himself. That homogenizes the game into who gets more to drop with Curry, destroys the MyTeam economy since ideally you want the best Curry to win, and means all park/my players are curry clones. The game is now NBA2k16: 3 point shoot out, and that's a world I hope no one wants to live in

[kabamaru]

Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

I believe you are over reacting

No one (and certainly not the OP) asked for all heavily contested shots to go in. But let's be clear, heavily contested in game results to an F and a 10% or less chance to go in. Truth is that players do have a great impact when heavily contested, but could slice their % let's say in half, not bring it down to 1/10.

Shot in traffic would be a great addition.

[ViolenceFight]

Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

I believe you are over reacting

No one (and certainly not the OP) asked for all heavily contested shots to go in. But let's be clear, heavily contested in game results to an F and a 10% or less chance to go in. Truth is that players do have a great impact when heavily contested, but could slice their % let's say in half, not bring it down to 1/10.

Shot in traffic would be a great addition.

It realistically should be 3 or 4 of 10 based on season stats. I concede to that. But it should also not be every game that happens. A guy should hit 2/10 contested one game, 5/10 the next, 3/10 one more. The average would come up to real life Stat lines. Shot in traffic would help greatly

Also, a shot in a guy's face is a bad shot, period. With good shooters it should maybe be a D+, but it's a terrible shot selection regardless of whether it's knocked down or not. Any coach ever will tell you they don't want a guy shooting like that unless they absolutely have to

[THE6GOD]

Re: 2K16 has totally killed contested shooting

You know there are different degrees of contested, right? Like yeah, if there's a guy in your t-shirt you should miss 9/10 from three even with Curry. At least, in the game. If that goes in at even a 50% rate you break the game.

I think that's where this stems from. To balance the game, you cannot have curry hit everything at a good Clio regardless of defense. Stop using the best shooter on the planet as a median number, guys.

That's unfair because he's broken in real life. He hits shots he has no business taking. Everyone knows it. He is the best shooter on 2k16. But what will happen if it's tweaked the way people are complaining is every game will be GSW vs. GSW online. Same way 2k13-14 was the heat or Lakers only. Or 15 was Cavs/thunder only.

People act like Curry shoots like Josh Smith from 3 in 2k16. You can still hit contested shots, but you shouldn't be shooting 10 contested shots with Curry a game.

Actually...now that I think about it: Why are so many people taking that many contested shots in the first place? Shouldn't you, you know, move the ball around until you find an open guy. Or run a play? Anything? You shouldn't be settling for a bad shot unless the clock is at 1. If all your shots are at 1 or 2 on the shot clock...you're running the offense poorly and are probably trying to ISO too much


To Lelets, I can't quote your post, but I read your stats and they are accurate. The difference is a lot of the complaints are that these percentages are not occuring in single games. Your stats are an entire season, correct? So yes, if after a season in 2k those don't line up, tweaks may be needed. But in a single game those will vary greatly game to game. One game harden might be on fire and shoot lights out, one game he might do average, and one he might be shooting all bricks. That will average out over 82 games and give you a percentage. That's where your statistics are coming from and I get it.

You also have to take into account how hard it is to program that in while preserving a balance. If they look at that and say: Curry shots 36% contested during the regular season, and program the game to say he just flat out does that, it kills the experience. So mathematically, if I shoot 100 shots contested with curry, that's 36 makes. 36x3 is 108. Cut that in half and it's 54. Most quick matches get to 60/70 points on default qtr length.

That means my online tactic is to shoot nothing but 3's with steph, and between open and contested, I'm beating teams with Curry by himself. That homogenizes the game into who gets more to drop with Curry, destroys the MyTeam economy since ideally you want the best Curry to win, and means all park/my players are curry clones. The game is now NBA2k16: 3 point shoot out, and that's a world I hope no one wants to live in

This game has contested shot shooting form! Again u go in the edit menu and u will see curry contested shot form play the game if he shoot that animation contested shot form u are gonna miss the shot plain and simple it's not hard to explain just go try it. Again it is a contested signature shot animation. And when u hit at lease one shot when he shoots the contested shot form them let me know how u made that shot.