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  • Bernte
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    • Oct 2015
    • 182

    #1

    The VC issue - perfectly put in words

    i know it's been discussed before many time, but never have i seen such a nice summary that to the point sums up what's wrong with 2k and their vc love:

    With 2K17 it’s hard to shake the feeling that these modes are designed with that in mind, and at times they feel incredibly grind intensive. I get that many people want a game that they can really sink their teeth into and some time with, but the progression of your player and team in the aforementioned modes feels like it was made deliberately slow and tedious to usher you into buying virtual currency. Doing the math on it, it would cost you either hundreds of dollars or hundreds of hours to fully level a character in My Career given the options available to you.

    It takes a lot of fun out of these game modes, especially My Career. 2K does offer many ways to earn currency, like using the NBA 2K app, or completing challenges in the game, but that doesn’t help much at all.
    The economies of the system are priced in a way that you can’t avoid these modes feeling like a free-to-play grind. It doesn’t help that they start you out at the very bottom of the ladder in NBA 2K17. Your created character isn’t much fun to play with at the very beginning of the mode and you don’t have all that much to work with in terms of currency needed to improve them. Add to that some ridiculous design decisions that has you having to wait through multiple loading screens for practice sessions and advancement of your character, and it’s almost feels like they deliberately structured these modes in a way that has you questioning whether virtual currency would be a better use of your time. I mean, they’re selling virtual gatorade at this point that will temporarily boost your character’s stats. We’ve come a long way in terms of virtual currency and its use in games, and NBA 2K17 might have the most egregious use of microtransactions than any game on the market today.

    http://attackofthefanboy.com/reviews/nba-2k17-review/
  • haynniner80810
    Banned
    • Sep 2015
    • 51

    #2
    Re: The VC issue - perfectly put in words

    I don't agree...I thoroughly enjoy "the grind" when trying to progress your player...I mean is it really fun to just have something handed to you? I'd rather earn it and I feel 2k makes you do so especially this year.

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    • Bernte
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      • Oct 2015
      • 182

      #3
      Re: The VC issue - perfectly put in words

      Originally posted by haynniner80810
      I don't agree...I thoroughly enjoy "the grind" when trying to progress your player...I mean is it really fun to just have something handed to you? I'd rather earn it and I feel 2k makes you do so especially this year.

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      you might enjoy it, but that's nothing to do with the fact that 2k blatantly tries to milk their customers by making very obvious design decisions when it comes to the gameplay.

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      • haynniner80810
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        • Sep 2015
        • 51

        #4
        Re: The VC issue - perfectly put in words

        It's a business bro...They aren't running a charity.

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        • Black Bruce Wayne
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          • Aug 2015
          • 1459

          #5
          Re: The VC issue - perfectly put in words

          Originally posted by Bernte
          you might enjoy it, but that's nothing to do with the fact that 2k blatantly tries to milk their customers by making very obvious design decisions when it comes to the gameplay.
          You don't have to buy it. Nobody forces you to buy anything.

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          • haynniner80810
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            • Sep 2015
            • 51

            #6
            Re: The VC issue - perfectly put in words

            We live in the the age of pay-to-play...it is what it is.

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            • haynniner80810
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              • Sep 2015
              • 51

              #7
              Re: The VC issue - perfectly put in words

              Originally posted by Black Bruce Wayne
              You don't have to buy it. Nobody forces you to buy anything.
              Exactly!

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              • Bernte
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                • Oct 2015
                • 182

                #8
                Re: The VC issue - perfectly put in words

                well, that's not how to lead a discussion. "deal with it" or "you don't have to if you don't want to" are not very good arguments. sounds more fanboi-ish than anything else, doesn't it? but then again, that's what 2k wants. don't ask questions, don't complain, just buy.

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                • Marty Funkhouser
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                  • Aug 2016
                  • 191

                  #9
                  Re: The VC issue - perfectly put in words

                  Originally posted by haynniner80810
                  It's a business bro...They aren't running a charity.

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                  Yes because they aren't consistently one of the best selling games of the year? 2K makes an absolute killing off the game without even factoring in VC.


                  There's a difference "not running a charity" and trying to suck every penny out of your customers. it's greedy.

                  Free 2 Play games use microtransactions as they don't get paid upfront. 2K charges $60+ as an entry fee and makes a killing off VC purchases and after the success of that strategy there's no way that elements of the game have not been designed around encouraging the user to purchase VC.

                  Hell, compare 2K to Battlefield or GTA, two franchises along with 2K, sell copious amounts copies and earn massive revenue off their titles. Both of those games have microtransactions but at the same time they regularly give free content to their customers, GTA V especially. 2K nickel & dimes the customer at every opportunity.

                  And yes, I am perfectly fine comparing the 2K to GTA/BF/etc because they all charge full price, they all are consistently the top selling titles every year and they all are consistently under development.

                  What's even more disgusting to me is how they started selling college teams before even acknowledging the massive amount of bugs in this year's release. It's downright repulsive.



                  But hey, they ain't running a charity but people sure do donate. Who can blame since people are so willing, might as well take advantage of those who have no issue with being taken advantage of.
                  Last edited by Marty Funkhouser; 09-23-2016, 02:06 AM.

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                  • Black Bruce Wayne
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                    • Aug 2015
                    • 1459

                    #10
                    Re: The VC issue - perfectly put in words

                    Originally posted by haynniner80810
                    We live in the the age of pay-to-play...it is what it is.

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                    Especially when games have million dollar movie budgets now. This is the future of gaming. I've found that people will pay micro transactions that they like.

                    For example people have stated that they would gladly pay for full Classic Teams if they were available as DLC, as would I.

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                    • haynniner80810
                      Banned
                      • Sep 2015
                      • 51

                      #11
                      Re: The VC issue - perfectly put in words

                      Originally posted by Marty Funkhouser
                      Yes because they aren't consistently one of the best selling games of the year? 2K makes an absolute killing off the game without even factoring in VC.


                      There's a difference "not running a charity" and trying to suck every penny out of your customers. it's greedy.

                      Free 2 Play games use microtransactions as they don't get paid upfront. 2K charges $60+ as an entry fee and makes a killing off VC purchases and after the success of that strategy there's no way that elements of the game have not been designed around encouraging the user to purchase VC.

                      Hell, compare 2K to Battlefield or GTA, two franchises along with 2K, sell copious amounts copies and earn massive revenue off their titles. Both of those games have microtransactions but at the same time they regularly give free content to their customers, GTA V especially. 2K nickel & dimes the customer at every opportunity.

                      What's even more disgusting to me is how they started selling college teams before even acknowledging the massive amount of bugs in this year's release. It's downright repulsive.



                      But hey, they ain't running a charity but people sure do donate. Who can blame since people are so willing, might as well take advantage of those who have no issue with being taken advantage of.
                      While I understand your point and I agree that it would be nice of them to consider the consumer, the fact of the matter is that America and western civil2for that matter was built on capitalism...Free market enterprise...Supply and demand...As long as someone is willing to pay for it, the gaming industry continue to expand on the pay-to-play format.

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                      • Marty Funkhouser
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                        • Aug 2016
                        • 191

                        #12
                        Re: The VC issue - perfectly put in words

                        Originally posted by haynniner80810
                        While I understand your point and I agree that it would be nice of them to consider the consumer, the fact of the matter is that America and western civil2for that matter was built on capitalism...Free market enterprise...Supply and demand...As long as someone is willing to pay for it, the gaming industry continue to expand on the pay-to-play format.

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                        Yes, and since this is America(but the game is sold worldwide), I will continue to criticize them for their garbage business practices especially compared with their peers.

                        Hell, both 2K and Rockstar are under Take Two games and it's laughable at the support and business practices that differ so radically.

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                        • haynniner80810
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                          • Sep 2015
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                          #13
                          Re: The VC issue - perfectly put in words

                          Well, if you think its garbage then don't play it...Pretty simple...Also,their peers follow the similar format...EA is there only real peer in the sports gaming industry and they've had pay-to-play for years with there Ultimate Team modes.

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                          • Marty Funkhouser
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                            • Aug 2016
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                            Re: The VC issue - perfectly put in words

                            Originally posted by haynniner80810
                            Well, if you think its garbage then don't play it...Pretty simple...Also,their peers follow the similar format...EA is there only real peer in the sports gaming industry and they've had pay-to-play for years with there Ultimate Team modes.

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                            "if you think it's garbage don't play it"

                            Never bought VC in my life, never will.

                            EA is not 2K's only peer. GTA/BF/FIFA/AC/Etc any of the consistently best selling videogames are 2K's peers. 2K isn't the only dev that is under a year long stress to pump out a yearly update.

                            I'm not of the opinion that we should simply stop supporting 2K either. There has to be an effort on both sides, 2K is the best basketball video game on the market and has been for quite sometime,they've definitely over the past couple games have made strides to improving the gameplay but that does not excuse the other completely lackluster parts of their product & that doesn't mean fans should simply put up with being milked for VC or more and more unstable launches or give 2K a pass at every opportunity because there is no other competition in the bball game dept.

                            Why doesn't 2k have closed alphas or betas like other yearly titles? As recently as a month of two ago, Titanfall 2 & Battlefield 1 had betas where the community noticed and complained about significant changesthat were for the worst, Respawn & DICE listened and addressed the complaint and the product that they are releasing is better for that. Don't you think that would address issues that every 2K launches with and has to wait until a patch or two to get fixed?

                            2K has an event where the fly out YouTubers and present them with a vertical slice so that they can go on their channels and make the game sound like the best thing ever.

                            All I want is a dialogue. Devs like Mike Wang having gameplay blogs are awesome and I support that but there needs to be more. Do you think that the game would have launched with a busted adjustments system if they had a 3 day closed beta even?. Not to mention how some still haven't even gotten the 1992 Dream Team that was in the price of the product?

                            How much more assured and respected would the consumers feel if even one of the community managers addressed the issues, bugs and features not working and gave us a timetable for the first patch?

                            It just seems for sch a massive product that generates so much revenue that they would respect their customer's intelligence a bit more.
                            Last edited by Marty Funkhouser; 09-23-2016, 02:38 AM.

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                            • ViolenceFight
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                              • Jun 2013
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                              #15
                              Re: The VC issue - perfectly put in words

                              Originally posted by Marty Funkhouser
                              "if you think it's garbage don't play it"



                              EA is not 2K's only peer. GTA/BF/FIFA/AC/Etc any of the consist best selling videogames are 2K's peers.
                              You..

                              You do realize 2 of those titles are EA, right? Also, sorry sir, but Assassin's Creed or GTA are not peers when we're talking sports games. Currently EA and 2K are your major sports developers. That makes them the only "Peers" in that market.

                              The "Don't buy it" comments are because companies care about money, boss. Hitting the pocketbook will get their ears more than this thread ever will. Real Talk, As awesome as 2k's Dev team is for hanging around here and talking with OS, what do you think the big honchos at 2K will tell Mike if he walks in with the complaints outlined here?

                              I know what my bosses would say. They'd say: "How many copies did we sell with this structure, count their money, and call it a day". But then you got people who aren't mad, like myself, so it becomes a moot point. Also: The owners could care less about mechanics vs. What we want, so it's super moot. Now, if the profits take a nose dive, there's going to be talks.

                              I'm not wanting to get more involved, but this forum is a very, VERY small percentage of players. We are but grains of sand in a desert, meaning that just vocalizing complaints doesn't do much.
                              Female Russell Westbrook.

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