The VC issue - perfectly put in words

[x_NBA_x]

Re: The VC issue - perfectly put in words

congrats for totally missing the point here. the discussion should solely be about the fact that 2k went for a game design that is nothing but about making people buying vc AFTER they have bought a full priced aaa game. and they keep on "improving" that game design year after year. and that's just right bitch move from their side.

what you name is not the cause, but it's the effect. and of course it will not be changed, because too many people fall for it. 2k has set a trap and soooo many people walk into it with open eyes, it's ridiculous. it's like fishing with a blank hook and still catching the biggest fish, cos the fish is too stupid and will bite anyways.

Well clearly you don't quite understand what others in the thread are explaining to you.. Your point was trying to imply that we are being forced to buy VC. Plenty have proven that is incorrect. You can earn VC and enjoy the game fully without doing so. You only need to buy VC if you want stuff immediately. So 2K have the options there to buy VC but it is not as you put it something that is forcing us to do so.

Welcome to the WORLD OF GAMING. Every game does similar, DCUO is free to play and so is Smite but to get extra benefits you have to pay for something.. COD, BF, FIFA, Madden and near on most games now.. This is how the gaming scene has been for the past 5+ years.

With 2K, everyone and that is a FACT, everyone can get to the same point within the game. It is just a matter of how long and that is what the difference of buying VC to working hard for it is. So again, you are not FORCED to buy it.

[trandoanhung1991]

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Wow, people are actually defending pay2win. Seriously? This is basically identical to the system used in Mankind Divided, whereby you get one time packs used for that particular save, and if you play again, you buy again.

First of all, let me remind you that we paid $60 for the game. Full price, AAA price. You know what else is $60? Witcher 3, one of the greatest RPG of all time. Compare the content and the amount of polish between 2K17 and Witcher 3 and you'll see there's a huge difference in actual care, thought and quality control that went into both games.

Now, 2K17 is just a small evolution of 2K16, they haven't made many changes. Graphics stayed largely the same, the same stupid AI rotations are still there, along with many bugs that already existed and was reported in detail over and over in 2K16. Do you think 2K17 with its changes is worth full retail price? IMO it's only worth $20 as a DLC, or maybe even as an annual pass to all the roster updates. But it's $60, the price of a full game.

And with that $60, you get the base game. And now they're offering DLC for $12, along with macrotransaction (seriously, it's not micro anymore, you're paying close to a full game for the VCs). The warning signs are all over the place. They are starting to design fundamental game features around the concept of VC, not designing VC around the game features.

I'm all for unobtrusive microtransaction in games that is actually rewarding to some extent, but this level of obtrusive macrotransaction shoved into NBA 2K is putting a lot of people off. Look at CS:GO and the crazy amount of money made via skins. You can certainly get a ton of money from people just via aesthetics. People would rush to buy cool things to customise their game. What about a rim that burst on fire when you slam home a dunk? A dragon tattoo that lights up when you splashes a 3? Shoes that light up when you ankle break someone?

[Bernte]

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Well clearly you don't quite understand what others in the thread are explaining to you.. Your point was trying to imply that we are being forced to buy VC. Plenty have proven that is incorrect. You can earn VC and enjoy the game fully without doing so. You only need to buy VC if you want stuff immediately. So 2K have the options there to buy VC but it is not as you put it something that is forcing us to do so.

Welcome to the WORLD OF GAMING. Every game does similar, DCUO is free to play and so is Smite but to get extra benefits you have to pay for something.. COD, BF, FIFA, Madden and near on most games now.. This is how the gaming scene has been for the past 5+ years.

With 2K, everyone and that is a FACT, everyone can get to the same point within the game. It is just a matter of how long and that is what the difference of buying VC to working hard for it is. So again, you are not FORCED to buy it.

your are not being forced to buy vc, you are being seduced.

[downsouth]

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I understand perfectly what the OP is saying. I don't see how everyone just willingly accepts this to be honest.

The reason why I avoid mypark and pro-am is for the exact reasons stated already, you end up faces highly rated players online way to often so one is forced into two decisions to compete:

a: spend real money on VC to compete with players without grinding or,

b: grind your *** off till you earn the VC.


The first favors the people who do have the time to play 100+ games of Myplayer. To put it frankly, I don't and I would really love to play pro-am at a competitive level. But I'm not rich ethier so I don't spend money on in-game items after I already dropped 60 on the game.

I get it, this is business, trust me I do but I also understand where the OP is coming from. If I wanted to enjoy playing pro-am or mypark with friends...who probably grinded or purchased VC, then I'm ***-out.

As someone mentioned, there should be a tier system like most online games. Low rated scrubs like myself can play with like minded scrubs and still enjoy the game without even having to touch mycareer.

I totally get where you are coming from. I see your point of view and it sucks that you dont have the grind time or extra cash for the VC. No sarcasm at all. In any business there will be some consumers that cant enjoy the product fully.

Id love a tricked out tahoe but i had to go with a stock model. Before i could enjoy a new one i had to go used. Ill never in my lifetime be able to own a new Range Rover or Mercedes G class.

Even if there was no VC youd still have to grind though and youd be left out until you build up your player. Theyre a business so they will look to maximize profits. That must mean that most people arent unhappy. In Miami we have clubs full of people happily buying $15 drinks and tons of people living on the sidewalk outside those clubs. Such is our society.

[Greene_Flash03]

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I totally get where you are coming from. I see your point of view and it sucks that you dont have the grind time or extra cash for the VC. No sarcasm at all. In any business there will be some consumers that cant enjoy the product fully.

Id love a tricked out tahoe but i had to go with a stock model. Before i could enjoy a new one i had to go used. Ill never in my lifetime be able to own a new Range Rover or Mercedes G class.

Even if there was no VC youd still have to grind though and youd be left out until you build up your player. Theyre a business so they will look to maximize profits. That must mean that most people arent unhappy. In Miami we have clubs full of people happily buying $15 drinks and tons of people living on the sidewalk outside those clubs. Such is our society.

I agree with the bolded statement, but this also means that we would see more low to mid-tier players online, not just maxed players.

[Mweemwee]

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I agree.

However, I'm a 72 overall on Superstar and I'm already having 30 pts 15 ast 4 steals statlines. The game has only been out 2 weeks or so lol.

I hate VC though and everything it stands for. And to charge someone 60 pounds/dollars/euros and then expect them to pay more during the year is quite disgusting as a concept.

[Mweemwee]

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It's a business bro...They aren't running a charity.

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Terrible argument. They already charge you £60 to buy the game. They're going beyond business. What other game on the market for consoles charges this much to buy and then adds so many monetization options inside of it?

Edit: actually I must go further and say that is the worst argument I have ever heard for anything in my life.

They're not a charity....really??! They're not a charity so you should pay them every penny you have in hopes of enjoying the game?

They're not a charity....so you're saying we shouldn't get anything for free. But what are we getting for free? We're making them millions, and you're saying stop complaining about them wanting even more money because they're not a charity?? Like they're doing poorly for themselves and they need some help?

What we're you smoking when you wrote this? And the fact that 3 people agreed with you is insanity. It's the weirdest argument I've ever heard. Not even 2k themselves would say "were not a charity, we need more money for the things were giving you. Please buy a tattoo for 1000VC so little timmy can get a train set for Xmas this year"....

Very strange post.

[x_NBA_x]

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I agree with the bolded statement, but this also means that we would see more low to mid-tier players online, not just maxed players.

I think having a ranking system for lobbies online would be an idea.. If your win percentage is really low then you get put in with others, same at the other end, if you are a cheeser who wins 1,000 and loses only 34 then you go against the other people around your level.

I don't think rating should effect lobbies because there will always be people who find a workaround to abuse those who are playing against them in the lower tier.

[ksuttonjr76]

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congrats for totally missing the point here. the discussion should solely be about the fact that 2k went for a game design that is nothing but about making people buying vc AFTER they have bought a full priced aaa game. and they keep on "improving" that game design year after year. and that's just right bitch move from their side.

what you name is not the cause, but it's the effect. and of course it will not be changed, because too many people fall for it. 2k has set a trap and soooo many people walk into it with open eyes, it's ridiculous. it's like fishing with a blank hook and still catching the biggest fish, cos the fish is too stupid and will bite anyways.

The bottom line is that you ultimately have the choice to buy or not. If it took 40 hours a week for the next 5 months to get a 80 overall, then you might have an argument. Otherwise, you can get a descent player within fair amount of time. Hell, you can play the mobile game while using the bathroom for a quick 500.

If it bothers you that much, then you can always Google how to farm VC easily until it's patched. Otherwise, it's not a "trap" that people fall into. The general public should know by now that's creating your My Player is not a quick task.

[x_NBA_x]

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The bottom line is that you ultimately have the choice to buy or not. If it took 40 hours a week for the next 5 months to get a 80 overall, then you might have an argument. Otherwise, you can get a descent player within fair amount of time. Hell, you can play the mobile game while using the bathroom for a quick 500.

If it bothers you that much, then you can always Google how to farm VC easily until it's patched.

It's fairly easy.. Hall of Fame & 5 minute quarters and just get a really good team mate grade (screens and passes help) & respectful stats.. You can earn between 800-1200VC plus the daily 500VC from the phone app then finally the endorsements in-game that can give 6,000VC+.

So if you only have an hour or an hour and a half per day you could realistically earn lets say between 3,000VC to 4,000VC.

That's between 40 to 50 hours to get near 150,000VC. I think to max your guy it's between 150,000-200,000VC. Within a month you will have a max guy by playing for an hour or so per day.

[Bernte]

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And with that $60, you get the base game. And now they're offering DLC for $12, along with macrotransaction (seriously, it's not micro anymore, you're paying close to a full game for the VCs). The warning signs are all over the place. They are starting to design fundamental game features around the concept of VC, not designing VC around the game features.

nicely put!

[Greene_Flash03]

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It's fairly easy.. Hall of Fame & 5 minute quarters and just get a really good team mate grade (screens and passes help) & respectful stats.. You can earn between 800-1200VC plus the daily 500VC from the phone app then finally the endorsements in-game that can give 6,000VC+.

So if you only have an hour or an hour and a half per day you could realistically earn lets say between 3,000VC to 4,000VC.

That's between 40 to 50 hours to get near 150,000VC. I think to max your guy it's between 150,000-200,000VC. Within a month you will have a max guy by playing for an hour or so per day.

I'll try this settings then. The problem is I'm such a stat-head. I like seeing realistic stats per game, run plays, follow the plays etc. Can I still accomplish this in 5 mins per quarter without asking for the ball every possession? I play AS difficulty, 12 mins per quarter btw.

[Celtics4Life]

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Props to the OP for making this thread (hope its not deleted or closed) There is some real good serious debate here and I enjoyed reading through all pages so far.

All the people that are saying VC is fine really have no idea what 2k is doing right about now. If you add some of these numbers and see roughly how much money they are making you may fall off your chair if you're sitting in one. Hypothetically let's just say everyone is okay with VC. We are all sheep we buy it and give 2k the $60 for the game + average of $10 dollar VC each user (which by the way I bet is way higher). Now lets roll last years game sales and do some math if we may.

2k16 sold aprox. 4 million copies. So 4mil x $60 = $240000000

Did your eyes open up big yet? No okay let's keep going.

VC sales stats $10 each sale x 4million copies = $40000000

$40,000,000 + $240,000,000 = $280,000,000


So dear 2K and sheeps of 2k who think VC is a good idea are you to tell me that 2k17 is worth even a fraction of 280 million dollars?

It's the same awful game mechanics that is completely polished with new graphics and different my player story-line.

280 million dollars!!!! Do you think they actually used this money to make 2k17? Nope they used it to fund other games and buy themselves mansions and few more Bugati's

To end this joke 2k17 is trying to suck more blood and money out of us with making everything even more VC worthy. So that estimate $10 each they want to make it $20. For what exactly? So we can get 2K18 with slightly better graphics and same broken bugged game?

Hope you all see the issue here as it's clearly getting out of hand. Listen it's a business I get it I'm not stupid. But, for all the money everyone is giving to 2k you would think they would give the best game possible. Look at what GTA V did. Sure its not a good comparison since they had years to work for it while 2k continues to put games each year. But, still bottom line is with that much money flooding 2k bank accounts I am expecting a game that will blow my mind away. A game with little bug and a game where player mechanics are solid.

The End.

[x_NBA_x]

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I'll try this settings then. The problem is I'm such a stat-head. I like seeing realistic stats per game, run plays, follow the plays etc. Can I still accomplish this in 5 mins per quarter without asking for the ball every possession? I play AS difficulty, 12 mins per quarter btw.

If you don't wish to ruin your main Career with statistics then you can create a second and use it as a VC account. I did it to get the endorsements completed so I would get the 6,000VC/8,000VC+ bonuses also. (Just the boring beginning part with the cutscenes can't be skipped)

You can but the statistics will not be compared to the rest of the league due to the difference in time per quarters.

[downsouth]

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Terrible argument. They already charge you £60 to buy the game. They're going beyond business. What other game on the market for consoles charges this much to buy and then adds so many monetization options inside of it?

Almost every game coming out now is doing it or trying to find ways to do it or wishes they had a wayn to do it.