The VC issue - perfectly put in words

[SirGaryColeman]

Re: The VC issue - perfectly put in words

I was going to call out their generation earlier in the thread, but I wasn't trying to get banned, lol. Some of the comments that's been said, remind me of my son who wants everything handed to him with the least amount effort on his part.

Videogames are supposed to fun, not addictive games designed to get more money.

I played NES games growing up, those were waaay harder than any modern games, but they were FUN! Contra didn't tell me to pay $60 to get more lives, they told me to figure out how to beat the game.

These are games, people... FUN is the #1 priority, not money driven greed/grind schemes.

[ksuttonjr76]

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You can't really compare 2k to GTA or Battlefield, as both of those franchises come out every 3 years or "whenever they want" in regards to GTA. 2k has 9 months of development every year.

GTA gives out free content because they sell 65 million copies. NBA 2k sold 8 million copies last year. So it takes NBA 2k eight years to achieve as many copies sold as GTA.

Battlefield and COD basically force you to purchase the Premium service (which brings the total sold to $110 per copy) to get the full experience. 2k doesn't force you to buy anything. You can achieve anything in the game you want just by playing. Sure, you might have to play a lot, but you can do it.

I still don't understand why VC is such a big deal around here. You DO NOT have to buy VC. They give you VC for free every time you play the game! The app gives you free VC just for logging in! They hand out locker codes randomly with VC included! They gave out 5k VC just for buying the game for pete's sake.

Last year, when I finally stopped playing the game, I had 50k VC saved up just by playing the game because I had nothing to spend it on because I didn't play MyCareer.

Plus, you can get VC by watching 2KTV too. There's so many ways to get VC at a descent rate, I've never understood why people are so upset about something they're not required to pay for. I've made a 80-something MyPlayer every year, but I might play 10 games of MyCareer. I've been mostly competitive in MyPark, but I'm an "old school baller" too. I'm not trying to dunk on every possession, break ankles, or shoot a godly amount of 3's. I just play the game. I didn't even care about flash when I played basketball in high school and college. I couldn't stand showboaters.

[BA2929]

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Yea, I quit playing Madden years ago for pretty much these same reason. 2K is the only sports game I play any longer and I am beginning to wonder how much longer I will if the trend to make the game eSports-centric continues. I don't mind that it is there but when it becomes the excuse to diminish my gameplay I have to start reconsidering my buying decision. I waited till the last minute this year and only finally placed my order upon hearing of the MyGM/ML improvements.

Sometimes you just have to vote with your money. If you don't like how a company works, don't buy from them.

I stopped buying Madden, just like how I stopped using Verizon and stopped using AT&T internet because they kept raising their prices on me.

Everyone knew VC was going to be present in 2k17 when they bought it, since it was already in The Prelude, so complaining about it now AFTER the purchase is sort of silly imo.

[monegames]

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Sometimes you just have to vote with your money. If you don't like how a company works, don't buy from them.

I stopped buying Madden, just like how I stopped using Verizon and stopped using AT&T internet because they kept raising their prices on me.

Everyone knew VC was going to be present in 2k17 when they bought it, since it was already in The Prelude, so complaining about it now AFTER the purchase is sort of silly imo.

Dont complain about crap defense AI or anything else either, because it was all in The Prelude too.

[BA2929]

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Videogames are supposed to fun, not addictive games designed to get more money.

I played NES games growing up, those were waaay harder than any modern games, but they were FUN! Contra didn't tell me to pay $60 to get more lives, they told me to figure out how to beat the game.

These are games, people... FUN is the #1 priority, not money driven greed/grind schemes.

Sorry, but you can't compare Contra to NBA 2k. It's much more difficult to program and create NBA 2k than anything that exists on the NES. A group of 5 people could have created Contra and Contra was a port of an Arcade game, a pay-to-play service. Plus you can beat Contra in like 9 minutes. That's not even one regulation quarter in an NBA game.

Dont complain about crap defense AI or anything else either, because it was all in The Prelude too.

Last I checked, bad AI is forced upon you. VC isn't. Please don't put words in my mouth, thanks.

[Mweemwee]

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Dont complain about crap defense AI or anything else either, because it was all in The Prelude too.

Exactly.

What is a message board for if not to debate things about the game?

"Shut up and enjoy it" is not a compelling argument.

[Rip4ever]

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Sometimes you just have to vote with your money. If you don't like how a company works, don't buy from them.

I stopped buying Madden, just like how I stopped using Verizon and stopped using AT&T internet because they kept raising their prices on me.

Everyone knew VC was going to be present in 2k17 when they bought it, since it was already in The Prelude, so complaining about it now AFTER the purchase is sort of silly imo.

Why? Don't you think a company would like to know they are losing or are about to start losing customers because of the way they do business? If you don't complain how are they supposed to know what is/isn't affecting sales? It is 10X harder to win back a customer who has left you than to retain the customer by addressing customer wants/desires. The only way that happens is by listening to customer complaints and responding to them.

[BA2929]

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Exactly.

What is a message board for if not to debate things about the game?

"Shut up and enjoy it" is not a compelling argument.

I never told anyone to "shut up and enjoy it". I told them to stop buying the game if they don't like VC.

Or just to not buy VC at all, you know, since it's optional.

[thexzeno]

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I guess what im getting at is not hating VC, I dont actually mind it. My main issue is the balancing in relation to VC. Sure I can spend 40-50 hours maxing out my character only to go to park or pro-am and realizing that the archetype I chose is terrible and doesn't translate well into the game. Case in point the slasher and post scorer.


Now I am out all that time a complete waste and 2k will not balance this issue despite trying to become a "e-sport" look at any real "e-sport" and you can see that the community and the best players are deeply involved in creating a well balanced game for all players to enjoy regardless of which character they pick.

In 2k this is obviously not the case as in 2k16 you either made a PG or C and dominated everyone else because they don't give a damn about what anyone thinks if you don't like it this year buy next years version.

[Dyslexicphish]

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So how long, specifically, should it take to max out a player? How much should VC cost in dollars? Maxing a player should take some time and a bit of a grind but how long is too long?

[BA2929]

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Why? Don't you think a company would like to know they are losing or are about to start losing customers because of the way they do business? If you don't complain how are they supposed to know what is/isn't affecting sales? It is 10X harder to win back a customer who has left you than to retain the customer by addressing customer wants/desires. The only way that happens is by listening to customer complaints and responding to them.

What about VC is there to complain about though? It is 100% optional and they give it out for free.

[x_NBA_x]

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Why? Don't you think a company would like to know they are losing or are about to start losing customers because of the way they do business? If you don't complain how are they supposed to know what is/isn't affecting sales? It is 10X harder to win back a customer who has left you than to retain the customer by addressing customer wants/desires. The only way that happens is by listening to customer complaints and responding to them.

In the video game industry, complaints are pretty irrelevant. EA was voted the worst customer service in America for numerous years and yet they still made £200m+ easily through Fifa and Ultimate Team sales.

The only way the board of these companies will start to take notice is when the profits aren't hitting their projections. 2K is a business after all.

[ksuttonjr76]

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Wait, aren't people arguing that they don't want to pay to skip the hard work, but instead want the game to be based upon purely the amount of hard work you put in without monetization??

Showing a lack of reading comprehension and insulting people makes you guys look more like the young ones to me but idk...

The game is setup in a manner where players need to VC to build up their characters to be competitive - of course, it's based on your definition of what you consider to be competitive. The first argument is that people don't want to buy VC...okay, fine. That's your financial decision. So, the alternative is to grind through the game and earn your VC...but people are complaining about that, because they "don't have time or have social lives".

Well, the only option left is to give people whatever want to create their characters without playing the game or paying money. Hence my comment of people wanting things without any effort on their part. Only a very, very small minority is lobbying to change the amount of VC you earn, where some people are countering that argument by telling those individuals that there MANY ways to earn VC. To use your comment, people ARE playing a game that's based upon the amount of hard work you put in without monetization. However, you have this majority who believe that they're being "forced" to purchase VC, and 2K Sports needs to be happy with only the sales they get from the game itself.

Feel free to correct any part of my comments.

[SirGaryColeman]

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What about VC is there to complain about though? It is 100% optional and they give it out for free.

They are now designing the game with VC in mind. Do you at least agree to that point?

Do you think designing a video game (any game) with "make sure this new feature makes/keeps VC profitable" is a design strategy that makes for better games?

[ksuttonjr76]

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What about VC is there to complain about though? It is 100% optional and they give it out for free.

Plus, they're probably tracking the data regarding their VC sales. Honestly, it's hard to argue against removing something if the sales are convincing. Yes, some people will complain, but you can't please everyone. Someone is going to be mad about something.

The only way that you can vote is with your wallet, but if the marketing team is doing their job....well....