Chris Smoove's new video about double teaming and MyCareer issues

[El_Poopador]

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The question is why do these arbitrary numbers mean sooooooooo much to people, when they still ball out with the same player they are complaining is a role player?

People caught up with numbers on the screen when your eyes and stick skills make that "role player" put up HOF numbers, in all modes? Its childish IMO.

Because the game essentially forces you to play hero ball instead of in the flow of the offense. The constant double-teams gives you free assists, and when they're not wide open, your teammates pass up shots (and sometimes even when they are open). The experience with AI in My Career is very different from that in games where you control whatever player has the ball. Numbers are put up out of necessity in My Career, because you can't control when your teammates shoot the ball.

[laoala]

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Because the game essentially forces you to play hero ball instead of in the flow of the offense. The constant double-teams gives you free assists, and when they're not wide open, your teammates pass up shots (and sometimes even when they [i]are[i] open). The experience with AI in My Career is very different from that in games where you control whatever player has the ball. Numbers are put up out of necessity in My Career, because you can't control when your teammates shoot the ball.

it's not even hero ball.

It's not even BASKETBALL.

for the love of everything, watch the video.

Here's how smoove broke the assists record on HOF.

Left Stick Up.

A.

Y sometimes when Amir Johnson or Horford would stand at limitless 30 ft from the basket.

Repeat 32 times give or take another 6 for turnovers.

That's not basketball. That's not an actual game.

[SirGaryColeman]

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Because the game essentially forces you to play hero ball instead of in the flow of the offense. The constant double-teams gives you free assists, and when they're not wide open, your teammates pass up shots (and sometimes even when they [i]are[i] open). The experience with AI in My Career is very different from that in games where you control whatever player has the ball. Numbers are put up out of necessity in My Career, because you can't control when your teammates shoot the ball.

It's crazy hard to put together a Sim game when you have humans controlling it, but I feel you.

I mean... they did make Tim Duncan in his prime an 86 Overall in Play Now and Andre Drummond an 87. Maybe that shows what they consider to be "good" basketball.

I'd say Tim Duncan is not only one of the best individual NBA players, but one of the best Team Players. Team ball always wins, so they definitely should focus more on team ball.

Best way to focus on team ball? Make an Online-Only mode which forces you to interact with other real, teammates.

[turty11]

Re: Chris Smoove's new video about double teaming and MyCareer issues

im not buying 2k18 unless these forced stat caps are gone. I only bought it this year to play mycareer because i couldnt stand 2k16s anymore so i needed a change, but i actually wish i had 2k16 back now.

[Tha.Pink.Pantha]

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Because the game essentially forces you to play hero ball instead of in the flow of the offense. The constant double-teams gives you free assists, and when they're not wide open, your teammates pass up shots (and sometimes even when they [i]are[i] open). The experience with AI in My Career is very different from that in games where you control whatever player has the ball. Numbers are put up out of necessity in My Career, because you can't control when your teammates shoot the ball.

The double teams in MyCareer and people complaining about rating numbers are different. The former is a legitimate concern, and isn't basketball. But this has been patched, supposedly.

The latter is people wanting be able to say "I have this number next to this attribute, see how good I am?", even if their player is good in their eyes. That's a waste of time to me. I'm a Playmaking PG with a 72 cap for 3's. Chris Smooth and many others are mad at the number 72 alone, despite the fact that in game, I'm hitting 4/6 attempts and from other people that picked similar players, they say when maxed out shot making isnt a problem. So why would I complain when the actual thing that matters, how I play, is still great? I don't feel like a role player, but if I was the type to focus on numbers next to words, I wouldn't even like playing with my guy cause the ratings say I can't do this or that.

It may be Playmaker privilege, but Smooth is a playmaker, and he's hitting 3's below a 70, so again, that is a focus on numbers rather than gameplay. And we can't influence 2K to view the game like that. This growing sentiment is dangerous, unless they do ultimately decide to split online from MyCareer, which for the record, I think they should do. But I'm not gonna act like my dude is a bum when I serve with him because numbers say so.

[Csmooove32]

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I like Chris Smoove but calling everybody play style a role player is ridiculous. I can still dominate on Superstar and Hall of Fame Just like last year and judging from his other videos so does he. I agree with the sharpshooters being op and the double team cheese. I understand how he feelings but I guess he gets more views when he's putting up numbers like 50, 17, and 12.

[Tha.Pink.Pantha]

Re: Chris Smoove's new video about double teaming and MyCareer issues

I like Chris Smoove but calling everybody play style a role player is ridiculous. I can still dominate on Superstar and Hall of Fame Just like last year and judging from his other videos so does he. I agree with the sharpshooters being op and the double team cheese. I understand how he feelings but I guess he gets more views when he's putting up numbers like 50, 17, and 12.

Its so crazy. The most frustrating thing about it is when they player isn't even close to being maxed out, but people complaining about what they can't do! I swear, being able to point to a number is more important than the actual game in this community's eyes and that is setting a dangerous precedent, because we know 2K does listen.

[turty11]

Re: Chris Smoove's new video about double teaming and MyCareer issues

I like Chris Smoove but calling everybody play style a role player is ridiculous. I can still dominate on Superstar and Hall of Fame.

you, along with everyone else arguing this same thing, took it wrong.
we are given a "role-player" esc build. be great at this one thing, and average or worse at everything else.. RATING wise. sure you can still go drop rediculous #'s with it, but youre still built like a role player, not a star despite playing like and being a star

[SirGaryColeman]

Re: Chris Smoove's new video about double teaming and MyCareer issues

I like Chris Smoove but calling everybody play style a role player is ridiculous. I can still dominate on Superstar and Hall of Fame Just like last year and judging from his other videos so does he. I agree with the sharpshooters being op and the double team cheese. I understand how he feelings but I guess he gets more views when he's putting up numbers like 50, 17, and 12.

That's true... he also had like 18 assists and 18 points.. I think I'd double team him too lol.

But the one point he made that I really liked was to separate eSports (online mode) from Offline Mode.

It really doesn't make sense to force Offline Players to grind as if it were an MMORPG. And it also doesn't make sense to force Online Players to play offline in a story they are not interested in.

I think this happens because they keep building on top of the game every year. In order to put a game out every year, you can't start from scratch or make the game too different. But if they take a step back and look at it through fresh eyes - they'd probably make them separate modes.

[Csmooove32]

Re: Chris Smoove's new video about double teaming and MyCareer issues

you, along with everyone else arguing this same thing, took it wrong.
we are given a "role-player" esc build. be great at this one thing, and average or worse at everything else.. RATING wise. sure you can still go drop rediculous #'s with it, but youre still built like a role player, not a star despite playing like and being a star

I'm trying to figure out how you cant be a star?

[Leasim96]

Re: Chris Smoove's new video about double teaming and MyCareer issues

you, along with everyone else arguing this same thing, took it wrong.
we are given a "role-player" esc build. be great at this one thing, and average or worse at everything else.. RATING wise. sure you can still go drop rediculous #'s with it, but youre still built like a role player, not a star despite playing like and being a star

Not really - we're simply saying having 99 everything is not necessary unless we couldn't do anything because of the caps. We can still dominate - so I don't see the problem. The thing I'm arguing here is the necessity to complain about it. We still dominate. So what more legitimate reason to complain? Fun I guess. But that's all. Having limitations if anything makes a game that is already easy to dominate in - more challenging. What's wrong with that?. That's all we're saying.

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[KobeMVP313]

Re: Chris Smoove's new video about double teaming and MyCareer issues

Is it jus me or the online shooting is terrible u can't even time ur shots properly anymore smh!!

[Leasim96]

Re: Chris Smoove's new video about double teaming and MyCareer issues

But that means the game wasn't tested well. It's not like you need to play five full seasons to see this. I'm only 2-3 games into my first season in My Career, and I'm already seeing the ridiculous double teams on every possession.

The even bigger issue to me is how overpowered the CPU double team is. You literally can't get away from it, and if you take more than 3 seconds to pass out of it, you get locked into the jump ball animation. It's awful, and has been that way for years.

I always say it's easy to assume as an outside source who doesn't work at 2k - that problems happen because they're just lazy/clumsy. There could be a lot of technical reasons. That's all I'm saying. I don't work there to judge if they are aware and trying to fix such things as we speak. Much like Beluba just gave an update that no one expected. I'm not making excuses for them - just trying to be open minded about it.

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[Yesh2kdone]

Re: Watch ;NBA 2K17 - eSports Ruins the Game? Double Team Cheese" o

The double teams in MyCareer and people complaining about rating numbers are different. The former is a legitimate concern, and isn't basketball. But this has been patched, supposedly.

The latter is people wanting be able to say "I have this number next to this attribute, see how good I am?", even if their player is good in their eyes. That's a waste of time to me. I'm a Playmaking PG with a 72 cap for 3's. Chris Smooth and many others are mad at the number 72 alone, despite the fact that in game, I'm hitting 4/6 attempts and from other people that picked similar players, they say when maxed out shot making isnt a problem. So why would I complain when the actual thing that matters, how I play, is still great? I don't feel like a role player, but if I was the type to focus on numbers next to words, I wouldn't even like playing with my guy cause the ratings say I can't do this or that.

It may be Playmaker privilege, but Smooth is a playmaker, and he's hitting 3's below a 70, so again, that is a focus on numbers rather than gameplay. And we can't influence 2K to view the game like that. This growing sentiment is dangerous, unless they do ultimately decide to split online from MyCareer, which for the record, I think they should do. But I'm not gonna act like my dude is a bum when I serve with him because numbers say so.

You miss the point. It's called mycareer. If guys want to dunk like prime Jordan and shoot like curry, then they should be allowed. It doesn't affect anyone else. If you want a career with a 70 3pt rating but a 99 mid range game then that's up to you. It should be up to the user. The player that I'm trying to work on at the moment is a slasher, but a painfully slow, completely offball slasher, who gets caught on the fastbreak with HoF omfb badge, and poor dribbling skills.

I want to be able to create a KD type, and then another save with a westbrook, maybe even a curry. Creating Chandler parsons, JJ Redick, or a one legged DRose kills the mode somewhat.

I don't judge what anyone else wants to be able to do with the game; I don't play myteam, and I've pretty much had it with park, so let me have mycareer to play around with.

I don't get why people defend these caps at all. If the caps were removed, you could create exactly the same player you have now and be really happy with that, so give the user the choice and let them have their career.

[Leasim96]

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You missed the point man, its supposed to be OUR CAREERS, with all these ridiculous caps and archetypes, we are glorified role players thats it.
I LOVE the idea of archetypes, dont get me wrong, but its poorly executed

And you know damn well that most of us are putting up goat numbers cause we are grinding for the badges and playing on lower difficulties settings.

Didn't really miss the point at all - just saying I don't see the big deal. That's all lol.

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