Thread For OFFLINE Users To Discuss Tuner Changes, Patches, etc.

[Gosens6]

Felt this thread was necessary so we can unclutter all the offline and online talk in the tuner and patch threads.

Offline and online guys obviously have a much different experience, so it doesn't really help anyone when we're all arguing in the same thread. So, please, no online users in this discussion. No my career, park, pro am or play now online even. It's just a different beast altogether .

Now, with that said. Mike Wang released a tuner last night, and I got in a couple games this morning before work. I will preface by saying, all is good in the offline world right now.

Shot percentages still look really good across the board, and if anything, I'm seeing more missed shots by the user and AI. Finished a game between the kings and magic, and they shot 41 and 43 % respectively for the game. Other games had other outcomes depending on the teams, but shot percentages still look great.

CPU teams actually walk the ball up the court frequently now and look to run an offense, it's great in motion. I'm still seeing way too many pull up 3s in transition from the AI, not sure how that one can be addressed.

Your teammates AI can still go brain dead more often than not on defense, leading to very easy AI paint scores. I will say however, the double teaming and leaving guys open on the 3 seems to have been toned down.

There's a couple rough spots, but overall we're still in good hands. Everyone please report what they are seeing in this thread. Playing on superstar by the way. Again, no online players please

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[Junior Moe]

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I played about 3 games last night on default Pro to get a feel for the patch. The only issue I really had was the high FG% and that appears to be fixed. However, I did notice that I was getting a lot of steals and very few fouls but it was only 4 min qtrs. All in all I'm good, though. I'm gonna run about 3 or 4 today on all star and see if that's where I'll settle at with minimal slider tweaks; the game plays great to me.

[jeremym480]

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I played about 3 games last night on default Pro to get a feel for the patch. The only issue I really had was the high FG% and that appears to be fixed. However, I did notice that I was getting a lot of steals and very few fouls but it was only 4 min qtrs. All in all I'm good, though. I'm gonna run about 3 or 4 today on all star and see if that's where I'll settle at with minimal slider tweaks; the game plays great to me.

I haven't played with the latest update yet, but before my suggested changes on Pro is the users shooting and consistency should come down some and rebounds/steals need to be closer to what the cpu's is (lower the user some and raise the cpu on both of those). Also, fouls should be around the All Star sliders which is 60's for all of them, except reaching which is 70. I may raise loose ball fouls, as well. I'm not slider guru, but those were my initial impressions from playing a few games on Pro.

I've played a lot more on All Star, but Pro feels a little better to me this year. In my opinion, bad teams play like good teams on AS and although i could win games on AS all of them were super close. Hopefully, someone creates a nice slider set soon, but I can see how it's difficult now since things are changing so much with patches/updates.

[Junior Moe]

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I haven't played with the latest update yet, but before my suggested changes on Pro is the users shooting and consistency should come down some and rebounds/steals need to be closer to what the cpu's is (lower the user some and raise the cpu on both of those). Also, fouls should be around the All Star sliders which is 60's for all of them, except reaching which is 70. I may raise loose ball fouls, as well. I'm not slider guru, but those were my initial impressions from playing a few games on Pro.

I've played a lot more on All Star, but Pro feels a little better to me this year. In my opinion, bad teams play like good teams on AS and although i could win games on AS all of them were super close. Hopefully, someone creates a nice slider set soon, but I can see how it's difficult now since things are changing so much with patches/updates.

Pro is too easy for sure. Initially I was winning comfortably on allstar after playing 2k16 with modified rookie sliders. I'm far from a world beater. But then the game caught up to me or something because I started losing and just couldn't stop the easy paint scoring. And it just felt less fun and organic. I know I'm gonna settle somewhere on allstar so that I can get a challenge. Something right between pro and allstar would be perfect, IMO. Good thing that there's not a lot wrong out of the box so.

[Gosens6]

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I will say, Superstar seems very playable now. Very few instances of cheap AI on this level now.

I was worried FG% would sky rocket again, but for now, we really seem to be okay with realistic numbers

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[rjohns23]

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How does the shooting affect player lock? I play with custom sliders (started on HOF for ACE then I changed them).

what I'm asking is do my players controlled by the cpu have the ratings as a user or is this just the player I am controlling? I like player lock because it just seems the CPU processes differently in the sense that the game is more balanced (CPU doing super human stuff).

[Mike Lowe]

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And this was just a gameplay update, nothing yet for the inflated training issues in MyLeague?

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[turty11]

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as a self proclaimed stat nerd who needs everything to be realistic

this shot going from an F to a B-, with a 90 contested mid rating, i fully approve of where the tuning is at right now from the few minutes i played testing different shot qualities

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[sirio994]

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HOF is playable too, i was scared but the tuning improved feelings. As i said in the other thread i thought that there were too many open shots calculated as contested. Right now the feeling is better. Personally i think we have to separate feelings from numbers. To me the open shot range right now is good, i would only make the difference between contested and open bigger. Expecially heavy cobtested shots for both side (user and CPU). I'm still seeing too much randomness in outcomes.

[sirio994]

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My first post update game on HOF. This has been one of my favourite games in years. Came back from a 23 point deficit (down by 20 at the half) and won by 8. Never felt cheated even when i was down by 20. The only thing i didn't like was the persistant feeling of random outcomes.

Outcomes are great, but still a bit too random to me. But it's due to momentum. This year is bigger than ever (in a good way).

[Gramps91]

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Maybe the update wasn't so bad then.

[335TDC]

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Maybe the update wasn't so bad then.

Offline user, MyGM, xbox1.

I played 3 games on All Pro yesterday after update/tuning. Lost 2, won 1, which I'm fine with on the surface. Play 8 min. quarters with 76ers. Starting 5 is Dunn, Murray, Simmons, Durant, Noel. (Started in offseason and wound up with picks 3 and 4 -- Lakers pick went to me, out of top 3 -- Durant amazingly signed with me, and was able to trade picks and players for #1. Just to clarify.)

First game loss to Thunder, fine with that because Rus played like Rus. Totally unstoppable. Won second game easily, felt weird. Third game was up comfortably at half, then things totally fell apart. Here are my complaints.

The CPU still scores on cheap cuts and broken AI D, and often takes advantage of the transition D garbage. It feels CHEAP, and I hate it. Their D NEVER breaks down like that, or maybe once or twice in three games.

Shooting is horrible. My great shooters -- Durant, Hezonja, Murray, etc. -- can't hit open 3's to save their lives, but Simmons hits 3 for 3, 1 for 2, and 2 for 3 in the 3 games. These are WIDE OPEN shots rated B to A, no greens, but given the ratings and openness, just ridiculous. Durant was 1 for 8, and all of those coming off set plays with him open. Stats similar in all 3 games.

On the contrary, the cpu almost NEVER misses open shots or open 3's.

One of the main points is that no matter what the shooting %'s are, they are misleading because I'm taking good shots and missing too often. The logic also seems to soften if i'm down late, and then shots start going in, further warping the %.

It's not satisfying. So my question to the offliners like me is, What are you guys doing, if anything, to adjust to the still-present wonkiness? Are you also seeing bullcrap shooting?

[Steven123]

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Offline user, MyGM, xbox1.

I played 3 games on All Pro yesterday after update/tuning. Lost 2, won 1, which I'm fine with on the surface. Play 8 min. quarters with 76ers. Starting 5 is Dunn, Murray, Simmons, Durant, Noel. (Started in offseason and wound up with picks 3 and 4 -- Lakers pick went to me, out of top 3 -- Durant amazingly signed with me, and was able to trade picks and players for #1. Just to clarify.)

First game loss to Thunder, fine with that because Rus played like Rus. Totally unstoppable. Won second game easily, felt weird. Third game was up comfortably at half, then things totally fell apart. Here are my complaints.

The CPU still scores on cheap cuts and broken AI D, and often takes advantage of the transition D garbage. It feels CHEAP, and I hate it. Their D NEVER breaks down like that, or maybe once or twice in three games.

Shooting is horrible. My great shooters -- Durant, Hezonja, Murray, etc. -- can't hit open 3's to save their lives, but Simmons hits 3 for 3, 1 for 2, and 2 for 3 in the 3 games. These are WIDE OPEN shots rated B to A, no greens, but given the ratings and openness, just ridiculous. Durant was 1 for 8, and all of those coming off set plays with him open. Stats similar in all 3 games.

On the contrary, the cpu almost NEVER misses open shots or open 3's.

One of the main points is that no matter what the shooting %'s are, they are misleading because I'm taking good shots and missing too often. The logic also seems to soften if i'm down late, and then shots start going in, further warping the %.

It's not satisfying. So my question to the offliners like me is, What are you guys doing, if anything, to adjust to the still-present wonkiness? Are you also seeing bullcrap shooting?

The most recent tuner dropped late last night, 3 am Eastern. You're talking about the tuner before that, the one I absolutely hated along with everyone else.

As for last night's tuner, I just played a quick game with my custom sliders. It feels absolutely great. The players are hitting get the open shots that they should and misses ones that are defended well. The shot meter feels alot more responsive. They really did a good job.

I literally had to put the game down for a couple of days because of the frustration over the last tuner.

[Gosens6]

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Offline user, MyGM, xbox1.

I played 3 games on All Pro yesterday after update/tuning. Lost 2, won 1, which I'm fine with on the surface. Play 8 min. quarters with 76ers. Starting 5 is Dunn, Murray, Simmons, Durant, Noel. (Started in offseason and wound up with picks 3 and 4 -- Lakers pick went to me, out of top 3 -- Durant amazingly signed with me, and was able to trade picks and players for #1. Just to clarify.)

First game loss to Thunder, fine with that because Rus played like Rus. Totally unstoppable. Won second game easily, felt weird. Third game was up comfortably at half, then things totally fell apart. Here are my complaints.

The CPU still scores on cheap cuts and broken AI D, and often takes advantage of the transition D garbage. It feels CHEAP, and I hate it. Their D NEVER breaks down like that, or maybe once or twice in three games.

Shooting is horrible. My great shooters -- Durant, Hezonja, Murray, etc. -- can't hit open 3's to save their lives, but Simmons hits 3 for 3, 1 for 2, and 2 for 3 in the 3 games. These are WIDE OPEN shots rated B to A, no greens, but given the ratings and openness, just ridiculous. Durant was 1 for 8, and all of those coming off set plays with him open. Stats similar in all 3 games.

On the contrary, the cpu almost NEVER misses open shots or open 3's.

One of the main points is that no matter what the shooting %'s are, they are misleading because I'm taking good shots and missing too often. The logic also seems to soften if i'm down late, and then shots start going in, further warping the %.

It's not satisfying. So my question to the offliners like me is, What are you guys doing, if anything, to adjust to the still-present wonkiness? Are you also seeing bullcrap shooting?

Are you sure you're on the latest update? I'm seeing nothing like that with the new tuning.

Defensive breakdowns are still happening, but nothing like pre patch.

As far as the ai making everything, I'm definitely not seeing that any longer.

Reset your system to make sure you have the update, then play a few games. I promise you'll see a world of difference .

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[LorenzoDC]

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My first post update game on HOF. This has been one of my favourite games in years. Came back from a 23 point deficit (down by 20 at the half) and won by 8. Never felt cheated even when i was down by 20. The only thing i didn't like was the persistant feeling of random outcomes.

Outcomes are great, but still a bit too random to me. But it's due to momentum. This year is bigger than ever (in a good way).

It seems to me like momentum this year feels less random but also more potentially powerful.

What I mean is, last year momentum just seemed to happen because the 2k gods of random chance made one team hot or cold.

Now it seems more tied to a player getting hot. So if I see the CPU getting hot with a strong offensive player, I call time out faster this year than I did last year. Last year I felt like I could get a could of stops, grind it out and play smart offense, and maybe save some time outs.

Now I have to be less stingy about spending them, even though fatigue is a thing and through 12 minute quarters even strong stamina players who get rest will fade around 32 minutes. If I let that overall 84 PG get hot and make too many buckets, the game will get away from me fast and I won't recover.

Also, turnovers obviously give potential heat and momentum back to the CPU. So does missing shots

I think I have noticed some shot meeting glitch in MyLeague play, where strong shooters can't actually fill their shot meters to 100%, but not all the time. Has anyone else noticed that?

I had Porzingis feeding CPU momentum with his bricks the other night before I started thinking he wasn't just cold the way the game makes some guys have off knights, but he was buggin'. He was not filling up his shot meter afterward in practice modes. This was my first game post XB1 patch.