NBA 2K17 Patch 1.05 Available Now, Rosters Updated - Full Details Here

[de_jesus]

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Huh? That video shows terrible defense and no awareness at all or defensive logic. IMO.

Then, respectfully, you may not understand what you're looking at. Because the first set he showed was played pretty well by the defense.

Kyrie has 21 pts in the first half, while Kevin love has 6 or something. He then calls an iso for Kyrie, the game's leading scorer, which puts Love in the paint to allow Kyrie move to work. The defender is a weak defender and help comes to slow down or prevent Kyrie from scoring (again). Kyrie passes to Love and Embiid, or whomever, immediately closes out which forces Love to pass or put up a contested shot. This leads to another contested shot and a miss. LeBron gets the rebound and gets a foul.

That's just the first set he showed and that's good defense. The offense wasn't able to burn the perimeter defense due to the help defense and the paint protection contested the shot both times.

The only bad defense in the video is the J. R. shot and thats because the defense broke down due to back hedging and poor defense. The defender on Smith came over to stop Kyrie, who is currently the game's leading scorer.

The Love 3 was good defense because the defense was looking to protect the paint since LeBron was on the elbow with Anderson. That defender can not stop LeBron amd a decision had to be made on who helped, which is why the defender rotated off of Love. It was good defense against phenomenal offense.

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[nuckles2k2]

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Because it's good contextual defense. There is nothing wrong with the defense in that video - the only real breakdown os the J. R. Smith 3 and that's a PNR issue... not a double team

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Why would they double to purposely force a pass to Love in the paint? One of the main objectives of defense is to keep the ball out of the paint, not to give wide open shots at the nail.

Also, you don't abandon 3pt shooters like the other examples. You stay connected to them, maybe show in the driving/passing lane, but get back to the body of the shooter. Rim protecters come into play if the perimeter defender is beaten. The craziest part is that the shots come off of very little movement, it's just a dude standing there like "this idiot ran in the opposite direction, gimme the ball!!!!!" Both JR & Love (3pt shot) are within 5' of where they were before the ball handler received the ball & ultimately passed the ball to the 3pt shooter.

There's no defense that teaches that. That's not a defensive breakdown, I don't even know what to call it.

I've never seen someone turn their back on Korver & sprint to double the ball handler 10' away.

[prestwood90]

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Does anyone have a answer for stopping my teammates (mainly bigs) from randomly leaving their assignment? I adjust the defensive settings but it's still a issue for me, Hassan Whiteside just destroyed me because my bigs that were supposed to be guarding him would leave him open randomly in the paint

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[de_jesus]

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Why would they double to purposely force a pass to Love in the paint? One of the main objectives of defense is to keep the ball out of the paint, not to give wide open shots at the nail.

Also, you don't abandon 3pt shooters like the other examples. You stay connected to them, maybe show in the driving/passing lane, but get back to the body of the shooter. Rim protecters come into play if the perimeter defender is beaten. The craziest part if that the shots come off of very little movement, it's just a dude standing there like "this idiot ran in the opposite direction, gimme the ball!!!!!" Both JR & Love (3pt shot) are within 5' of where they were before the ball handler received the ball & ultimately passed the ball to the 3pt shooter.

There's no defense that teaches that. That's not a defensive breakdown, I don't even know what to call it.

I've never seen someone turn their back on Korver & sprint to double the ball handler 10' away.

Because Kyrie was eating his defender alive. That's why I said contextual defense. The double team does not happen if Kyrie doesn't have 21+ points, plus the Sixers bigs were in place to close out on Love since the paint was packed, which is exactly whay happened.

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[tyberious4now]

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Does anyone have a answer for stopping my teammates (mainly bigs) from randomly leaving their assignment? I adjust the defensive settings but it's still a issue for me, Hassan Whiteside just destroyed me because my bigs that were supposed to be guarding him would leave him open randomly in the paint

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I'm so glad you brought this up..this is a major issue that the Bigs are leaving their man why why why???...I currently have no work around on this one!!!

[Retropyro]

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In MyGM I'm no longer accumulating XP since the update.

[nuckles2k2]

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Because Kyrie was eating his defender alive. That's why I said contextual defense. The double team does not happen if Kyrie doesn't have 21+ points, plus the Sixers bigs were in place to close out on Love since the paint was packed, which is exactly whay happened.

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Yea, but those doubles don't come with 12 seconds left on the shot clock near the 3pt line lol. Who waits that long to double on the perimeter? You're leaving someone wide open. It's one thing to pressure the ball up the court, & bring the double quickly to get the ball out of the hands of the primary handler. It's about disrupting offense, not giving them an easy peezy pass to someone.

If Kyrie is eating, then you put a bigger body on him, try to make his jumper more difficult & hopefully he drives the ball right into the interior help if he can't get the shot he wants, or he passes it. There's a chance he just cooks whoever is put on him, but you do not give up wide open shots to someone half way thru the shot clock.

It's not contextual defense, it's a trigger that "if player X scores or assists on X amount of points in X amount of time....do WHAT. EVER. it takes to stop player X. "

EDIT: Especially in a half-court set. It's one thing if people are wide open in transition, but dudes are borderline stationary for a few secs & still get a wide open shot. Not a clean look off of screen, or open in the corner because of a missed rotation.... just wide open shots because their defender ran to the top of the key to double someone.

That's.......bad.

[GR5Noles]

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Stop pretending it's only 1 person enjoying the game just because you haven't found the right balance.

Post-patch I've been having a great time with default HoF sliders with just a couple of tweaks. I'm not seeing much of the stuff everyone is complaining about at this point

[prestwood90]

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I'm so glad you brought this up..this is a major issue that the Bigs are leaving their man why why why???...I currently have no work around on this one!!!

I'm going back to watch Sam's videos on this cause I must've set some stuff up wrong ( I was just going off memory) maybe pre rotate should be off and I had it on, not sure but frustrating for sure right now

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[de_jesus]

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I don't disagree with what you are saying in a real life situation. I think some nuance should be considered but whatever.

But to answer your question, NBA 2K waits that long because the userbase (us) complained about being double teamed once we cross half court...

Furthermore, there isn't a more capable defender or the game would actually put him on Kyrie. The game actually does have checks and will oftem put the best perimeter defender on the best perimeter player (if Kawhi was guarding the game likely wouldn't double team), but Kyrie was hot and ACE prioritized slowing his offense over the fear of Love knocking down a shot since he wasn't scoring (which happens all the time im the actual NBA when Kyrie gets hot or LeBron is doing work, which is why there was such a strong narrative about trading Love)

Now, I'm not saying what happened is preferred but of those plays I think only the Love 3 led to a bucket. I, as a person who plays this game, will take that. It's good defense when facing a superior offense and decisions have to be made.

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[de_jesus]

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I'm going back to watch Sam's videos on this cause I must've set some stuff up wrong ( I was just going off memory) maybe pre rotate should be off and I had it on, not sure but frustrating for sure right now

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Pre-rotate gets me roasted. I hate it. Haven't found a way to use it. I also avoid using gap with bigs as well.

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[fluent2332]

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Then, respectfully, you may not understand what you're looking at. Because the first set he showed was played pretty well by the defense.

Kyrie has 21 pts in the first half, while Kevin love has 6 or something. He then calls an iso for Kyrie, the game's leading scorer, which puts Love in the paint to allow Kyrie move to work. The defender is a weak defender and help comes to slow down or prevent Kyrie from scoring (again). Kyrie passes to Love and Embiid, or whomever, immediately closes out which forces Love to pass or put up a contested shot. This leads to another contested shot and a miss. LeBron gets the rebound and gets a foul.

That's just the first set he showed and that's good defense. The offense wasn't able to burn the perimeter defense due to the help defense and the paint protection contested the shot both times.

The only bad defense in the video is the J. R. shot and thats because the defense broke down due to back hedging and poor defense. The defender on Smith came over to stop Kyrie, who is currently the game's leading scorer.

The Love 3 was good defense because the defense was looking to protect the paint since LeBron was on the elbow with Anderson. That defender can not stop LeBron amd a decision had to be made on who helped, which is why the defender rotated off of Love. It was good defense against phenomenal offense.

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I'll just kindly end this and say I strongly disagree with your assessment and again, do NOT think that video resembles anything near real NBA basketball. Whether or not 2K is trying to use their defensive logic to accomplish what you're saying doesn't really matter if the final outcome makes no sense in comparison to a real game. IMO.

[BOSsTOwN]

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Game """feels""" better.

[Baebae32]

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Still think double teams shouldnt be about getting the ball out of the hands of someone standing beyond the arc. You generally only see double teams/traps as they are represented in 2K on 2 occasions in real life:
1) On the use of the ball screen you would trap the ball when it is in the hands of someone like Curry
2) You double the post to force a pass
Again what you do not see is someone trapping the ball outside of the arc while it is idly being dribbled. That is asking to be scored on.

Think 2K would be better off going away from "doubling the ball" when someone is hot and going the way of representing the way teams zone up the defense behind the primary defender.

Just look at the way the Warriors defend Westbrook. They stack the paint and force him to either score through a myriad of help defenders as he drives into the paint or kick it out to his teammates. What they do not do is force him to pass the ball while he is dribbling beyond the 3 point line.

In short, it shouldnt be about "double team" logic instead 2K really needs to focus on the "help defender" logic.

[fluent2332]

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In short, it shouldnt be about "double team" logic instead 2K really needs to focus on the "help defender" logic.

Definitely agree there.