What 2kSport told us we could expect from NBA 2k17. Did they deliver?

[awg811]

Re: What 2kSport told us we could expect from NBA 2k17. Did they deliver?

Sounds like your referring to this, which is a legitimate off ball move

https://vimeo.com/197025849

I'm about 90% sure I've seen this done on ball as well. Unfortunately, 2k tends to leave a lot of post controls out of the manual...I say this every year.

The post game is one thing on your list I definitely disagree about. I'm a big post guy. It definitely feels a lot better to me. Only issue I had was when you originally couldnt ise the stick in any direction to get a decent release.

No, this is pulling the chair, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_ezVqa2Z8o
What is shown in your video is more of a swim move and those interactions are often called as fouls on the defender, if the offensive player hits the floor or flops.

"Pulling the chair" is an on ball move.
If you google pulling the chair, you will not find one instance of it being off ball.

I'm not trying to be rude, but the term "pulling the chair" is not what is shown in that video.

[The 24th Letter]

Re: What 2kSport told us we could expect from NBA 2k17. Did they deliver?

No, this is pulling the chair, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_ezVqa2Z8o
What is shown in your video is more of a swim move and those interactions are often called as fouls on the defender, if the offensive player hits the floor or flops.

"Pulling the chair" is an on ball move.
If you google pulling the chair, you will not find one instance of it being off ball.

I'm not trying to be rude, but the term "pulling the chair" is not what is shown in that video.

Yes, it is.

Offensive players are encouraged to 'do there work early' to establish post position, so are post defenders. Pulling the chair away on defense before the post man establishes position is one of those tactics. It's especially effective on players like Kevin Love who are often physical and aggressive posting up in semi transistion. Its more than just an on ball tactic.

Its what Pietrus does to LeBron here in that scenario.

https://youtu.be/o_Sd1Sx_sQ8

[awg811]

Re: What 2kSport told us we could expect from NBA 2k17. Did they deliver?

Yes, it is.

Offensive players are encouraged to 'do there work early' to establish post position, so are post defenders. Pulling the chair away on defense before the post man establishes position is one of those tactics. It's especially effective on players like Kevin Love who are often physical and aggressive posting up in semi transistion.

Its what Pietrus does to LeBron here in that scenario.

https://youtu.be/o_Sd1Sx_sQ8

Respectfully, that's not "pulling the chair", that's an offensive foul or a flop at best.
He didn't "pull the chair" he got ran over.

"Pulling the chair" rarely results the the chair puller hitting the ground as he's not even there to make contact with, hence "pulling the chair".
When you pull a chair out from under someone, there's no chair for them to land on.

[The 24th Letter]

Re: What 2kSport told us we could expect from NBA 2k17. Did they deliver?

Respectfully, that's not "pulling the chair", that's an offensive foul or a flop at best.
He didn't "pull the chair" he got ran over.

"Pulling the chair" rarely results the the chair puller hitting the ground as he's not even there to make contact with, hence "pulling the chair".
When you pull a chair out from under someone, there's no chair for them to land on.

Pulling the chair is nothing more than using the offensive players momenteum against them. It doesnt have a set outcome. Thats why you'll see them called as fouls going both ways from the officials POV. This isnt a tactic 2k just made up here. Its one of the many little things your taught as a big to fight an aggressive post player.

[awg811]

Re: What 2kSport told us we could expect from NBA 2k17. Did they deliver?

Pulling the chair is nothing more than using the offensive players momenteum against them. It doesnt have a set outcome. Thats why you'll see them called as fouls going both ways from the officials POV. This isnt a tactic 2k just made up here. Its one of the many little things your taught as a big to fight an aggressive post player.

Let me clarify.

I am NOT saying that the move shown in your video is not a move that is used in basketball.

What I am saying, is that it is NOT called pulling the chair.

I have provided a video of many pulls of the chair and a google search will provide many more examples.
You will not see either of those videos that you have provided mentioned as pulling the chair.

I am also saying that I have tried in mycareer, pro am, and in mycourt against a friend to pull off whatever this move is called, exactly as described in 2k's video and have never once gotten it to work, nor have i ever seen it preformed by any user or the CPU.

[The 24th Letter]

Re: What 2kSport told us we could expect from NBA 2k17. Did they deliver?

Let me clarify.

I am NOT saying that the move shown in your video is not a move that is used in basketball.

What I am saying, is that it is NOT called pulling the chair.

I have provided a video of many pulls of the chair and a google search will provide many more examples.
You will not see either of those videos that you have provided mentioned as pulling the chair.

I am also saying that I have tried in mycareer, pro am, and in mycourt against a friend to pull off whatever this move is called, exactly as described in 2k's video and have never once gotten it to work, nor have i ever seen it preformed by any user or the CPU.

Well I dont want to make this thread about what one considers 'pulling the chair'

I can tell you right now though, its a term definitely used for the move in on AND off ball situations. Googles going to give you the most common example. Google basketball and the term 'squeeze' and I guarentee it wont show you the (at least) 4 different ways coaches use the term. There are many more examples like that.

I'll let the thread get back on track from here though..

[awg811]

Re: What 2kSport told us we could expect from NBA 2k17. Did they deliver?

Well I dont want to make this thread about what one considers 'pulling the chair'

I can tell you right now though, its a term definitely used for the move in on AND off ball situations. Googles going to give you the most common example. Google basketball and the term 'squeeze' and I guarentee it wont show you the (at least) 4 different ways coaches use the term. There are many more examples like that.

I'll let the thread get back on track from here though..

I'm sure you're right and we've derailed the thread. lol

Whatever it is called, I wish I could get it to work!

[kabamaru]

Re: What 2kSport told us we could expect from NBA 2k17. Did they deliver?

It is a great summary of the game flaws.

There are others too, like matchmaking in PNO, transition defense, halfcourt inbound etc

What I really can't understand is how flaws of last year re-appeared

I mean especially half-court inbound turbo was a nightmare last year online.

It was also accepted by developers

Yet this year the SAME flaw still exists. I am pretty sure that if you want to make a new game you make sure the same flaws don't reappear.

Plus we get a ton of new issues. The over-grabbing,bumping, pushing without a foul called, makes deny all a VERY legit tactic that is used by most people online

So basically half-court inbound and turbo offense +
Deny all and offball with Center Defense is success online.

Offline I have not much too say. Sam Pham has already showed that you can score whenever you want with a specific play while AI never adjusts

[Hellquist]

Re: What 2kSport told us we could expect from NBA 2k17. Did they deliver?

I don't want to go on another tirade but it's simple...

2K dropped the ball. 2K jumped the shark. 2K18 has to be remarkable or I am not pre-ordering or even buying it. It's hard for me to say those words.

Did 2K deliver? That's a huge understatement. It's the worst 2K I have ever played. 3 months in and I always become frustrated and irritated when I play this game. The enjoyment is few and far between. I play games to escape reality and to relax. 2K17 doesn't help me with those 2 things.

I'm not at that point where I can put this game in my PS4, sit back, relax, listen to music or a podcast and just play. Winning isn't rewarding even though I blow the AI out on a consistent basis. It's just not a fun game. It hasn't delivered on my end. I'm trying to like this game but it's difficult. I think a lot of us pre-ordered each year and never thought twice about it because 2K is the gold standard and you always expected the game to be epic. This year I can't say that.

Don't claim this year is all about user control and stick skills but your game is 90% animations, cheese and exploits (exploits the freaking AI does themselves, which the users copy because it works). Like the arena sounds B.S. is one example and it should be all you need to know about the fabrications with this edition. From the weird marketing 2K does for this year's game to everything else they have done has been lackluster. They dropped the ball big time. They finally jumped the shark. Like others have said (don't want to go there) 2K isn't going to be #1 forever. Someone's going to take their spot.

Awesome thread and I am happy the mods didn't close it.

[issaknife]

Re: What 2kSport told us we could expect from NBA 2k17. Did they deliver?

It's a real shame how far downhill 2k has gone. The game is just a jumble of animations now. Animations and badges seem to dictate the game. Plus the fact that they've just straight up lied to us pre release for the last couple years. I'm not even gonna go in depth, cause I'd probably write a damn essay. I really hope NBA live is decent. I actually enjoyed their pro am in Live 16, hopefully they build on that.

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[ILLSmak]

Re: What 2kSport told us we could expect from NBA 2k17. Did they deliver?

I voted no.

It's an interesting game, but it just doesn't simulate bball, which is what I want.

I think 2k could go super hard on physics, including actually being able to change jump height, run speed, collisions etc etc... and once they did that, they could actually make two modes very easily, as long as the sliders actually worked. There could be a sim mode and a more free mode.

Contact is important, but the stuff they did this year off ball is not as useful. I want to see more on ball contact, offense and defense. You should be able to do things like push off and block people with your hip as an offensive player. The thing is, just like when I said before 'can you raise the ball in the post' you can... but first of all it's only for a short while and it's not immune to being stolen. Same with the protect the ball stance. It's not dynamic enough, but the change post toggle was interesting.

There should also be a way to cross through steals, some you reach I teach mechanic. Every steal animation should have an animation you can trigger and break out of, depending on how fast you execute it. I don't see that as much in 2k. It's way too single button centric...

I really dislike how defensive stance became aggressive auto defense as well, there has to be a way to separate the two.

Long story short, 2k has the end outcomes that are good, but they need to work on the middle outcomes. I don't mind an animation based game, but let us break out of them. Let us chain them. Kind of like a double clutch but with animations. For instance: imagine starting a euro lay up w/ your right hand and instead of going straight to the rim on your second step you can break out and do a little fade backwards because a big man has closed.

Contact is also important, having some sort of a contact meter minigame that would be more honest about how much contact is being applied, being able to flop, being able to chicken wing people without the refs seeing it, etc...

it's mainly just depth. 2k is pretty amazing now as it is... for a shallow bball game that most people can pick up and master. The thing is, while they can master it, only the people who actually love bball are gonna wanna put in the time to grind through a boring my career to get their player good enough to compete.

Why can't we get a more sim game? And if they want some kid mode or arcade mode, it wouldn't be hard to keep it in there. Just make it so that all of the single buttons do the more advanced things, like how some fighting games have auto special moves that you can do as a beginner.

I hope they can turn it around, but I am going to look hard at Live again. I have been disappointed in 2k for a few years, to be fair, it's just getting less like what I want.

-Smak

[VAWereWolf65]

Re: What 2kSport told us we could expect from NBA 2k17. Did they deliver?

No. This is by far one of the worst games i've ever wasted money on. I usually make good decisions when it comes to buying games and i thought 2k would be able to deliver a decent game this year after an atrocious start to 2k16, but that's just not the case.

There's so many problems with the game, i don't even know where to start so i'm not even gonna bother trying to.

But i will just say that the fact people are seriously considering that NBA Live could be better than 2k17 just goes to show how bad 2k17 really is.

[Ownal0t]

Re: What 2kSport told us we could expect from NBA 2k17. Did they deliver?

the biggest thing i have vs 2k is how the game literally takes away control from the player while boasting about "Player control" and "the game is about player skill"

NO . THE. ****. ITS . NOT.
STOP IT 2k.

The whole game plays like its you vs the horrible coding a majority of time. you do a pass and somehow the CPU BALL HAWKS MOST OF THE TIME. even when you have the match up advantage. the same thing 2k said we should beable to abuse this year. people teleport from the other side of the court to ruin your pass, yet on your own team, your CPUS act like this is their first time playing ball.

there are SO MANY ANIMATIONS that cancel out user skill. hell dont even get me started on missing button inputs at key times in games.

Can we talk about the momentum system in this game? when 2k decides its time for a run, THE SKY WILL FALL. im running thru Historic domination in Myteam, there is no more denying it. this game has a HORRIBLE MOMENTUM SYSTEM/ CODE. there be times where no matter how much good defense you play, they other team WONT MISS. and you will miss everything and get no calls. like when this gets turned on its a GG for your mental state.

This game started off really good, and at this current moment is literally a whole new game. not the Battlefield 4 Whole new game, where its a MUCH BETTER GAME from its launch, but its literally fallen thru to the dephts of hell in every department but cheese, which remains a all time high.



the shot meter....... im not even going to bother....
Defens.... nope. im triggered....
Pro am................................................



Long story short , the above and things from OP shows that this game at this point has a chance of being considered a "bait and switch" i really hope 2k18 is a MAJOR SERIOUS IMPROVEMENT. cause i cant keep doing this ****.

[Hustle Westbrook]

Re: What 2kSport told us we could expect from NBA 2k17. Did they deliver?

http://www.polygon.com/2016/8/22/12561530/nba-2k17-preview-gameplay-hands-on-impressions

This applies to passes, too. Jones acknowledged that throwing the ball willy-nilly into the key was almost a "money" play last year. In about half an hour playing NBA 2K17, I saw multiple passes to the paint get deflected and even picked off. The ball just felt more live, whether on passes, steals or rebounds.

Looking back now that I have a good 3 months of playing time with this game, this quote is almost laughable now. This couldn't be further from the truth.

I remember reading this before 17 came out and getting so excited thinking people wouldn't be able to spam passes into the paint anymore haha.

Well, the paint spamming is as bad as it's ever been. The biggest slap in the face is that they acknowledge that it was a problem last year. I suppose they'll "fix" it for real next year but the only difference is that I won't be taking their word for it. I'll be waiting a few months until the good folks at OS have put in some good time with the game and post their impressions before I blindly drop 60 dollars again.

[NoLeafClover]

Re: What 2kSport told us we could expect from NBA 2k17. Did they deliver?

http://www.polygon.com/2016/8/22/125...on-impressions



Looking back now that I have a good 3 months of playing time with this game, this quote is almost laughable now. This couldn't be further from the truth.

I remember reading this before 17 came out and getting so excited thinking people wouldn't be able to spam passes into the paint anymore haha.

Well, the paint spamming is as bad as it's ever been. The biggest slap in the face is that they acknowledge that it was a problem last year. I suppose they'll "fix" it for real next year but the only difference is that I won't be taking their word for it. I'll be waiting a few months until the good folks at OS have put in some good time with the game and post their impressions before I blindly drop 60 dollars again.

Yep.

In the 5on5 game modes it's LITERALLY all people do, and the AI teammates are utterly incapable of stopping it.

There's zero incentive to slow the game down and run actual basketball plays when switching to 5-out and spamming big to big cuts results in a dunk or foul 90% of the time, and the other 10% is an open 3 kick out after one of your AI teammates randomly wanders over to the paint leaving a shooter open despite being set to Tight D and No Threes on their man.

It's just done really poorly and seldom anything other than frustrating, at least as far as online is concerned.