NBA 2K18 Video - Developer Diary: The Art Behind the Game

[scottyp180]

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Well I actually currently play on the PC version of the game and have for years, and I'm quite well known modder on the NLSC forums. I don't have experience with the tools 2K use but us modders have found alternative such as using GIMP (a free image editing software) or blender (a free 3D model editor).

I am aware at what it takes to update these things, and I have done so in the past. However the art team may have already finished working on the jerseys and have moved onto something else so these criticisms might be ignored.

I gotcha man. Had a feeling you were a modder and I mean no disrespect to your talents and credentials. Im just airing on the side of we don't know what goes on in the 2k office (programs and software they work with, deadlines and time management, etc) so it's unfair to assume mistake they make are easily fixable. Who knows though you could be right.

On the lines of that topic though I would like to see more art fixes and patches throughout the season when necessary, whether it's hairstyles, facial hair, jersey colors, court inaccuracies, etc. I'd love if certain players could have multiple options for hair and facial hair based on past styles. Curry, for example, sometimes grows his hair out a bit more like a blow out other times it's a short fade. Another example from the past is where Ben Wallace would have a fro and cornrolls (I'm pretty sure this was in 2k at one point).

[Inzombniac]

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Love the way the game looks. I'm not usually someone who's as focused on the graphics but watching that, it was very hard to ignore how much hard work has gone into improving how the players react and even some of the smaller details that are going on. Just off of graphics and changes alone it'll feel like a fun and fresh game again. Looking forward to seeing what's to come in the coming weeks as well and getting a chance to check out the Prelude.

[PeacemanNOT]

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That's still not really an accurate portrayal of the color his head band should be considering that one in the picture and most pictures you're going to find of him are drenched in sweat which makes it a darker color than it would be dry and in different lightning.

Beyond that I don't know how you can really comment on which accessory colors are wrong at this point because we don't know what accessories teams are going to be wearing with these new uniforms now since they haven't played a single game in them yet. Have the Pelicans even revealed their Nike uniforms yet? Let's at least see what colors teams will be wearing before we start going into detail about what gear is wrong. Weren't the Pels wearing white headbands with those very jerseys at one point last year?


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That is true, accessory colours obviously aren't a major flaw currently as they will change. From the looks of things the Pelicans and Mavericks haven't changed their jerseys so I am basing the accessory colours as of last year. But even then the accessory colours are incorrect based off of last year. I guess what I really should be saying is it looks like the accessory colours are based off of last years colour template (incorrect colours), but now that the art team has got a proper colour template from Nike they can update those accessory colours in the roster (which is where that data is stored).

[JJRuelz]

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Spoiler

Like every year I'm going to over analyze this video and see mistakes or things left unnoticed:


INACCURACIES:


#1 - They've got the Cavs jersey colours wrong, for whatever reason 2K have always had a problem when it comes to getting red/orange colours correct. This can easily be fixed. The likelihood is won't be fixed considering these mistakes have been ignored in the past.




#2 - The Mavericks icon accessories are incorrect. They should be the same colour as the dark navy, instead they're a light navy/blue:




#3 - DeMarcus Cousins headband clips through his ear, it's also the wrong colour. It should be the same colour as the jersey but instead it's a lighter blue:



#4 - The Pelicans association shorts have a wrong shade of blue and should be the same shade as the jersey above. As you can see jersey blue is darker, the shorts blue is lighter:




NEEDED UPDATES:


#1 - Mike Conley hasn't had this haircut in three years. He needs an nappy afro, I think a new face scan is needed here:



#2- Lowry is still wearing an arm pad, he hasn't worn this since the end of the 2015/2016 Season. You can also see Norman Powell's new face here:



#3 - Chris Paul has had the same face since NBA 2K15. He has since got a different haircut, he's also grown out a beard:



#4- Marcus Smart no longer has this mohawk/Odell Beckham Jr hair:

One that's important to realize is players have a say on what hairstyle they have in the game. Russell Westbrook asked to have his Mohawk in 2k17 even though he didn't have it in real life.

[jeremym480]

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Shoutout to all of us guys who've been playing b-ball games for 30+ years (either on the Atari or NES). We've came a long way, gentleman. I mean, we have stretch marks now. If you would have told my 10-year-old self in 1990 that we would have came this far I would not have believed you.

Now sing it with me "Started from the bottom now we're here...."

[spoofrice11]

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Most of those look Amazing!

I'm hoping we can edit players hairstyles (couldn't in 2K16) on our games.
Like Smart's hair and Curry has his playoff look, but usually has his hair shorter than in that video. Or is someone cuts or grows an afro, we should be able to edit it on our game/myleague.

Also, I know the Cavs color is off, but I really don't care for their jerseys normally since they switched after the 2009-2010 season, but I actually like the dark Red look in the video.

[SteveQ]

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Anyone going to create a chubby player? Like a Big Baby Davis type?

I'm creating a point guard with the build of a deron Williams. Not going big baby big though lol

[MoodMuzik]

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Shoutout to all of us guys who've been playing b-ball games for 30+ years (either on the Atari or NES). We've came a long way, gentleman. I mean, we have stretch marks now. If you would have told my 10-year-old self in 1990 that we would have came this far I would not have believed you.

Now sing it with me "Started from the bottom now we're here...."

This should be the post to show how picky everyone is. HUGE thumbs up.

[strawberryshortcake]

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Definitely a major upgrade visually. Lebron actually looks like Lebron, and the body types are pretty solid from what I saw. I like the cloth physics as well for the uniforms. I do wish they had tighter jersey options, though. Players like Melo wear theirs almost skin-tight.

Either way, looks great. Hopefully the feel of the game matches the visuals.

(A) Uniform jersey physics are appropriately back, and I'm loving it!

Regarding uniform. I'm glad real uniform physics is actually back and is looking great for for NBA2k18, and should stay forever. Even uniform that are supposedly skin tight do have movement. A player may wear it skin tight, but there's still motion to them.

Melo and Curry do wear their jerseys tighter, but upon visual inspection, their jerseys are free flowing with physics so to speak.

2016-2017 Melo


2016-2017 Curry





(B) Lighting play a factor in color replication

I think you've (and a couple individuals) have already discussed about the lighting causing color discrepancies. According to only this photo alone, the colors for the cavaliers look to be appropriate.

Spoiler

Like every year I'm going to over analyze this video and see mistakes or things left unnoticed:

#1 - They've got the Cavs jersey colours wrong, for whatever reason 2K have always had a problem when it comes to getting red/orange colours correct. This can easily be fixed. The likelihood is won't be fixed considering these mistakes have been ignored in the past.

[TMagic]

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Shoutout to all of us guys who've been playing b-ball games for 30+ years (either on the Atari or NES). We've came a long way, gentleman. I mean, we have stretch marks now. If you would have told my 10-year-old self in 1990 that we would have came this far I would not have believed you.

Now sing it with me "Started from the bottom now we're here...."

Yea. These young bloods don't appreciate the game and how far we've come.

[LeBronistheKing]

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It's really not being overly picky. It's more, 2k has stated in this video in fact, that their goal is 100 percent true to life accuracy and photo realism. If some font sizes on jerseys are off or too low on the jersey, or if colors are off in jerseys or accesories then that means that the art is not 100 percent true to life accuracy and photo realism. It's really really close but it's not hitting the 100 percent true to life accuracy and photo realism that 2k is shooting for. Don't blame us for pointing out these inaccuracies when 2k released a video stating the bar they were setting. Also 2kdevs frequent these forums and I'm sure they see these posts. How is pointing out these inaccuracies any different then other posters pointing out flaws in gameplay?

[jaityla]

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That "MyPlayer" creator doesn't look good at all, its a slider from 1-30 that generates random noses/ears/eyes etc. Atleast the last couple games you had freedom with the slider when creating a player.

You do know that every 2k from 2k15-17 had this feature? And that's what I used to customize my my player. Either way, I'm positive you'll be able to create a unique player, you're overreacting

[GudStuffzz]

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The different body types better apply to created players as well. Now I can finally create draft classes with different body types. I like what I saw from the new cap system as well, hopefully its deep enough to go through years of franchise without having too many look-alikes.

[jaityla]

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Honestly, that's the EXACT same CP3. The eyes still aren't bright enough, but it's close and they're missing the biggest thing that's thrown him off for years...his damn beard lol. Robin Lopez still also has that weird landing strip beard instead of a full one as well for some reason as he's had a full beard for the last 2 years. LaVine still doesn't have a goatee and looks like a kid. Conley still has a mohawk even though he rocked the fro all last year.
Winslow's hair is still the electric socket fro from 2k16(whatever De'Arron Fox/Josh Jackson hair looks like, Winslow needs to share it). We also know Kawhi still doesn't have a beard from the gameplay impressions day snippet.

Like I said in another thread, some of this is from older builds though so hard to know for sure if they've updated dudes since, for example:


That's the Ben McLemore from 2k17 on the left but the screen we got the other day clearly showed an updated version of him.

Good eyes, I noticed because of the beard. I don't think their done scanning everyone in, Ronnie said they would fix Conley's hair.

[El_Poopador]

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(A) Uniform jersey physics are appropriately back, and I'm loving it!

Regarding uniform. I'm glad real uniform physics is actually back and is looking great for for NBA2k18, and should stay forever. Even uniform that are supposedly skin tight do have movement. A player may wear it skin tight, but there's still motion to them.

Melo and Curry do wear their jerseys tighter, but upon visual inspection, their jerseys are free flowing with physics so to speak.

2016-2017 Melo


2016-2017 Curry

Oh absolutely. I was more referring to the amount hanging over the waistband than anything else. It's not a huge deal, and it looks considerably better already this year. But it would be nice to see more variety in uniform fit between players. Of course, I also don't know how much work would need to go into that, and what kind of resources it would take.