LEGENDS Thread - NBA 2K18 & beyond: (Accessories, jerseys, sig styles etc)

[Zeke11]

Re: LEGENDS Thread - NBA 2K18 & beyond: (Accessories, jerseys, sig styles etc)

We can now add Louie Dampier to the long list of legends that are in the game but are myteam exclusives :/. I haven't kept track of all these exclusive players, I'm sure there's even more that I missed.

[Hounddog146]

Re: LEGENDS Thread - NBA 2K18 & beyond: (Accessories, jerseys, sig styles etc)

I don’t understand why they have Kenny Smith in the game with a updated model for the half time show but his player model is still from 2011. Why not just update it as well, all they would have to do is just add hair


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[VDusen04]

Re: LEGENDS Thread - NBA 2K18 & beyond: (Accessories, jerseys, sig styles etc)

I don’t understand why they have Kenny Smith in the game with a updated model for the half time show but his player model is still from 2011. Why not just update it as well, all they would have to do is just add hair

I imagine there may be more to it than we imagine when comparing models we see in "pre-game" mode and those we actually see on the floor.

My hope is they continue doing what they started last year (shoring up a lot of the 90's and 80's faces). I feel bad because I forgot the name of the dude who stepped in to help (I think someone who's been on OS) but he did an awesome job with the players he could get to (Dumars, Laimbeer, Carter, etc.)

[midwestking100]

Re: LEGENDS Thread - NBA 2K18 & beyond: (Accessories, jerseys, sig styles etc)

I imagine there may be more to it than we imagine when comparing models we see in "pre-game" mode and those we actually see on the floor.

My hope is they continue doing what they started last year (shoring up a lot of the 90's and 80's faces). I feel bad because I forgot the name of the dude who stepped in to help (I think someone who's been on OS) but he did an awesome job with the players he could get to (Dumars, Laimbeer, Carter, etc.)

Are you talking about razor?

[hokupguy]

Re: LEGENDS Thread - NBA 2K18 & beyond: (Accessories, jerseys, sig styles etc)

i moved to pc what you guys think ?

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[Plumdog Millionaire]

Re: LEGENDS Thread - NBA 2K18 &amp; beyond: (Accessories, jerseys, sig styles etc)

Two new historic players added to MyTeam today:

Robert Reid

Larry Sanders

[jmarcguy]

Re: LEGENDS Thread - NBA 2K18 &amp; beyond: (Accessories, jerseys, sig styles etc)

Nice to see 2k still adding pre 2000 players like Reid. That’s encouraging.

When I play with a classic team, the atmosphere in the arena is really lacking. It’s slightly better if I switch an old team’s players with a current team’s. I get the organ sounds and such. I really hope this is addressed next gen. Some 80’s / 90’s tunes and a more energetic crowd would really help immersion.


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[VDusen04]

Re: LEGENDS Thread - NBA 2K18 &amp; beyond: (Accessories, jerseys, sig styles etc)

Nice to see 2k still adding pre 2000 players like Reid. That’s encouraging.

When I play with a classic team, the atmosphere in the arena is really lacking. It’s slightly better if I switch an old team’s players with a current team’s. I get the organ sounds and such. I really hope this is addressed next gen. Some 80’s / 90’s tunes and a more energetic crowd would really help immersion.

100 percent with you on this. I feel a little greedy because they've made such great classic strides in recent years but yes, the classic team atmospheres are dull. The issue always comes down to how much attention is deemed prudent to spend on classic teams on an NBA 2K20 game where so much of the focus is on the present.

However, if I were to pretend that some member of the art or audio team was sitting around just waiting for something new to do or add, I'd offer:

1. Accurate classic team warmups



2. Custom classic arena sounds: I was looking for the 2K12-ish blog where they last made a point of customizing classic team arena sounds but no dice. Even generic sounds that would be fitting for the era would work. Though, focusing on MSG's authentic organ, customizing each classic arena's buzzer (or finding something close that might already be in their system), and basically everything 2K's already done before on the previous gen.

3. Generic starting line-up presentation: Part of the issue with classic team presentation is how everything feels stripped down in comparison to modern gameplay. I've figured this had to do with resources where they don't have the time or means to create custom starting lineups for each team or something. But even having things like a general, basic starting lineup animation would help.

4. Rules Toggle: Another call-back to 2K12. A menu toggle between "Modern", "1990's", "1970's", "1950's", etc. would add significant personality to games from different eras. Bonus move (though I bet it'd be tough to pull off): the option to remove the 3-point line (or to just have that removal tied into selecting rules pre-80's).

5. Classic Mascots: I don't feel strongly about this one but I mean, it couldn't hurt to include mascots where they fit - especially if they're similar to mascots that still exist today. Benny the Bull on those 90's Bulls, the Spurs coyote, Squatch in Seattle, etc.

6. Coach Edit: Even if this were generic (basic looking man with basic options for hair, glasses, facial hair, hair color, name) would help spruce up the classic circuit, particularly with all the cut scenes of coaches throughout the game. Even if it's not the real Phil Jackson, if I could create a tall-ish greyed bespectacled bearded man called "Phil Jackson" so I'd see him roaming the sidelines from a distance instead of a random baby-faced 20-year-old undergrad, that'd help with immersion.

7. Non-breakaway rims for pre-'82 teams: Another one I don't feel strongly about because I imagine it'd cause programming headaches (certain dunks are probably intended to cause the rim to bend every time). Still, if possible, it'd be a nice little detail.

8. Era-specific filters and graphic overlays: Another 2K12 callback but it might be more complicated this time around, as the filters were locked into the Greatest Mode prior, where it was known that a game was going to be a 1993 matchup or 1987 or 1998. I'm not sure how filters would work if you're running a 1998 Bulls vs. 1977 76ers matchup, unless it was dictated by the home team (with the option to toggle freely prior to the start of the game).

9. Stock era-specific footage of cities for pre-game intros: This is a throw-it-at-the-wall-and-see-what-sticks idea but I just imagined a grainy aerial shot of Philadelphia leading into a matchup taking place in 1977 Philly and how well that'd help establish the setting and feel. I foresee lots of problems with this idea (rights, picture quality) but whatever, sometimes you gotta dream.

10. Era specific officials: By this I'm referencing the attire. You see officials a lot throughout a game of 2K and having their uniform match the era would again help with immersion. I wonder if this again would work if it were connected to the home team. Perhaps a general "Era Immersion" option could exist, where toggling that option on would include officials attire, rules, filter, etc. (with the option to toggle each individually as well).

11. Fix the game's audio, period: 2K's crowd tech seem stuck in 2005. It'd be nice just to know that I could go on an 8-0 run at home and the crowd wasn't going to go strangely silent after a run-capping dunk, to be honest.

Generally speaking, I think a big part of classic team play is the aesthetic that comes alongside. That's why the experience has become so much better as 2K's improved faces, jerseys, signature moves, and accessories (the fact they brought back biceps bands was such a cool detail, for instance).

Right now, I'd guess some the least used classic teams are the 1960's Celtics and Lakers. I think that partially has to do with very few gamers today being around when they played. But I also think it's because they've lost so much of their aesthetic since 2K12. In 2K12, using those teams was a completely unique experience (authentic officials, sounds, rules, filter, playstyle). It's tougher to be drawn to those teams when they just feel like modern basketball teams with different jerseys and faces.

[Plumdog Millionaire]

Re: LEGENDS Thread - NBA 2K18 &amp; beyond: (Accessories, jerseys, sig styles etc)

Something I never noticed before, but along with all the other issues with historic draft classes (years pro glitch, using current renders of players rather than younger versions already in the game, etc.), ALL real players have the same interior and perimeter defense ratings at a 75. I felt the 2001 class is a big example of how bad this is. Tony Parker same interior defense as Tyson Chandler. Incredibly slow Zach Randolph same perimeter defense as Shane Battier...

[Hounddog146]

Re: LEGENDS Thread - NBA 2K18 &amp; beyond: (Accessories, jerseys, sig styles etc)

@Vdusen04 yes i agree, i see no reason to play as any pre-80s team. I dont like the fact that they have 3 pt shots. I try to have period accurate match ups


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[midwestking100]

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100 percent with you on this. I feel a little greedy because they've made such great classic strides in recent years but yes, the classic team atmospheres are dull. The issue always comes down to how much attention is deemed prudent to spend on classic teams on an NBA 2K20 game where so much of the focus is on the present.

However, if I were to pretend that some member of the art or audio team was sitting around just waiting for something new to do or add, I'd offer:

1. Accurate classic team warmups



2. Custom classic arena sounds: I was looking for the 2K12-ish blog where they last made a point of customizing classic team arena sounds but no dice. Even generic sounds that would be fitting for the era would work. Though, focusing on MSG's authentic organ, customizing each classic arena's buzzer (or finding something close that might already be in their system), and basically everything 2K's already done before on the previous gen.

3. Generic starting line-up presentation: Part of the issue with classic team presentation is how everything feels stripped down in comparison to modern gameplay. I've figured this had to do with resources where they don't have the time or means to create custom starting lineups for each team or something. But even having things like a general, basic starting lineup animation would help.

4. Rules Toggle: Another call-back to 2K12. A menu toggle between "Modern", "1990's", "1970's", "1950's", etc. would add significant personality to games from different eras. Bonus move (though I bet it'd be tough to pull off): the option to remove the 3-point line (or to just have that removal tied into selecting rules pre-80's).

5. Classic Mascots: I don't feel strongly about this one but I mean, it couldn't hurt to include mascots where they fit - especially if they're similar to mascots that still exist today. Benny the Bull on those 90's Bulls, the Spurs coyote, Squatch in Seattle, etc.

6. Coach Edit: Even if this were generic (basic looking man with basic options for hair, glasses, facial hair, hair color, name) would help spruce up the classic circuit, particularly with all the cut scenes of coaches throughout the game. Even if it's not the real Phil Jackson, if I could create a tall-ish greyed bespectacled bearded man called "Phil Jackson" so I'd see him roaming the sidelines from a distance instead of a random baby-faced 20-year-old undergrad, that'd help with immersion.

7. Non-breakaway rims for pre-'82 teams: Another one I don't feel strongly about because I imagine it'd cause programming headaches (certain dunks are probably intended to cause the rim to bend every time). Still, if possible, it'd be a nice little detail.

8. Era-specific filters and graphic overlays: Another 2K12 callback but it might be more complicated this time around, as the filters were locked into the Greatest Mode prior, where it was known that a game was going to be a 1993 matchup or 1987 or 1998. I'm not sure how filters would work if you're running a 1998 Bulls vs. 1977 76ers matchup, unless it was dictated by the home team (with the option to toggle freely prior to the start of the game).

9. Stock era-specific footage of cities for pre-game intros: This is a throw-it-at-the-wall-and-see-what-sticks idea but I just imagined a grainy aerial shot of Philadelphia leading into a matchup taking place in 1977 Philly and how well that'd help establish the setting and feel. I foresee lots of problems with this idea (rights, picture quality) but whatever, sometimes you gotta dream.

10. Era specific officials: By this I'm referencing the attire. You see officials a lot throughout a game of 2K and having their uniform match the era would again help with immersion. I wonder if this again would work if it were connected to the home team. Perhaps a general "Era Immersion" option could exist, where toggling that option on would include officials attire, rules, filter, etc. (with the option to toggle each individually as well).

11. Fix the game's audio, period: 2K's crowd tech seem stuck in 2005. It'd be nice just to know that I could go on an 8-0 run at home and the crowd wasn't going to go strangely silent after a run-capping dunk, to be honest.

Generally speaking, I think a big part of classic team play is the aesthetic that comes alongside. That's why the experience has become so much better as 2K's improved faces, jerseys, signature moves, and accessories (the fact they brought back biceps bands was such a cool detail, for instance).

Right now, I'd guess some the least used classic teams are the 1960's Celtics and Lakers. I think that partially has to do with very few gamers today being around when they played. But I also think it's because they've lost so much of their aesthetic since 2K12. In 2K12, using those teams was a completely unique experience (authentic officials, sounds, rules, filter, playstyle). It's tougher to be drawn to those teams when they just feel like modern basketball teams with different jerseys and faces.

Also get rid of the social media outlets and substitute it with newspaper columns from different newspapers such as the chicago sun times/tribune, washington post, LA times, etc so whenever we play a classic nba season the immersion factor in regard to the media is authentic for those eras. Or at least give us a option to choose between social media or newspaper columns.

[ojandpizza]

Re: LEGENDS Thread - NBA 2K18 &amp; beyond: (Accessories, jerseys, sig styles etc)

100 percent with you on this. I feel a little greedy because they've made such great classic strides in recent years but yes, the classic team atmospheres are dull. The issue always comes down to how much attention is deemed prudent to spend on classic teams on an NBA 2K20 game where so much of the focus is on the present.

However, if I were to pretend that some member of the art or audio team was sitting around just waiting for something new to do or add, I'd offer:

1. Accurate classic team warmups



2. Custom classic arena sounds: I was looking for the 2K12-ish blog where they last made a point of customizing classic team arena sounds but no dice. Even generic sounds that would be fitting for the era would work. Though, focusing on MSG's authentic organ, customizing each classic arena's buzzer (or finding something close that might already be in their system), and basically everything 2K's already done before on the previous gen.

3. Generic starting line-up presentation: Part of the issue with classic team presentation is how everything feels stripped down in comparison to modern gameplay. I've figured this had to do with resources where they don't have the time or means to create custom starting lineups for each team or something. But even having things like a general, basic starting lineup animation would help.

4. Rules Toggle: Another call-back to 2K12. A menu toggle between "Modern", "1990's", "1970's", "1950's", etc. would add significant personality to games from different eras. Bonus move (though I bet it'd be tough to pull off): the option to remove the 3-point line (or to just have that removal tied into selecting rules pre-80's).

5. Classic Mascots: I don't feel strongly about this one but I mean, it couldn't hurt to include mascots where they fit - especially if they're similar to mascots that still exist today. Benny the Bull on those 90's Bulls, the Spurs coyote, Squatch in Seattle, etc.

6. Coach Edit: Even if this were generic (basic looking man with basic options for hair, glasses, facial hair, hair color, name) would help spruce up the classic circuit, particularly with all the cut scenes of coaches throughout the game. Even if it's not the real Phil Jackson, if I could create a tall-ish greyed bespectacled bearded man called "Phil Jackson" so I'd see him roaming the sidelines from a distance instead of a random baby-faced 20-year-old undergrad, that'd help with immersion.

7. Non-breakaway rims for pre-'82 teams: Another one I don't feel strongly about because I imagine it'd cause programming headaches (certain dunks are probably intended to cause the rim to bend every time). Still, if possible, it'd be a nice little detail.

8. Era-specific filters and graphic overlays: Another 2K12 callback but it might be more complicated this time around, as the filters were locked into the Greatest Mode prior, where it was known that a game was going to be a 1993 matchup or 1987 or 1998. I'm not sure how filters would work if you're running a 1998 Bulls vs. 1977 76ers matchup, unless it was dictated by the home team (with the option to toggle freely prior to the start of the game).

9. Stock era-specific footage of cities for pre-game intros: This is a throw-it-at-the-wall-and-see-what-sticks idea but I just imagined a grainy aerial shot of Philadelphia leading into a matchup taking place in 1977 Philly and how well that'd help establish the setting and feel. I foresee lots of problems with this idea (rights, picture quality) but whatever, sometimes you gotta dream.

10. Era specific officials: By this I'm referencing the attire. You see officials a lot throughout a game of 2K and having their uniform match the era would again help with immersion. I wonder if this again would work if it were connected to the home team. Perhaps a general "Era Immersion" option could exist, where toggling that option on would include officials attire, rules, filter, etc. (with the option to toggle each individually as well).

11. Fix the game's audio, period: 2K's crowd tech seem stuck in 2005. It'd be nice just to know that I could go on an 8-0 run at home and the crowd wasn't going to go strangely silent after a run-capping dunk, to be honest.

Generally speaking, I think a big part of classic team play is the aesthetic that comes alongside. That's why the experience has become so much better as 2K's improved faces, jerseys, signature moves, and accessories (the fact they brought back biceps bands was such a cool detail, for instance).

Right now, I'd guess some the least used classic teams are the 1960's Celtics and Lakers. I think that partially has to do with very few gamers today being around when they played. But I also think it's because they've lost so much of their aesthetic since 2K12. In 2K12, using those teams was a completely unique experience (authentic officials, sounds, rules, filter, playstyle). It's tougher to be drawn to those teams when they just feel like modern basketball teams with different jerseys and faces.

The only one of these suggestions I don't feel strongly about is the filter. I understand why some people want them but I feel like it's strictly a TV viewing thing. If you are at a game, or "in" the game you don't see in filters.. I would 100% be down with them bringing it back since it seems relatively easy to do so, but I would really hope it was an option to turn on/off, or maybe before the game starts you can pick between 2-3 filter options or something. I would hate for it to default to a filter strictly based on who the home team was.

I know not everyone feels the same, but when I'm playing I get more so the feeling of being in the game or controlling the game from a player/coach standpoint rather than sitting at home watching it on TV. In that sense I would welcome the filters but would not want them to be defaulted to the home team.

[VDusen04]

Re: LEGENDS Thread - NBA 2K18 &amp; beyond: (Accessories, jerseys, sig styles etc)

The only one of these suggestions I don't feel strongly about is the filter. I understand why some people want them but I feel like it's strictly a TV viewing thing. If you are at a game, or "in" the game you don't see in filters.. I would 100% be down with them bringing it back since it seems relatively easy to do so, but I would really hope it was an option to turn on/off, or maybe before the game starts you can pick between 2-3 filter options or something. I would hate for it to default to a filter strictly based on who the home team was.

I know not everyone feels the same, but when I'm playing I get more so the feeling of being in the game or controlling the game from a player/coach standpoint rather than sitting at home watching it on TV. In that sense I would welcome the filters but would not want them to be defaulted to the home team.

For sure. I feel the same why and I think the ability to toggle these hypothetical options would be important. That black & white filter in 2K12 was incredible but I admit there were some time where I wish I could at least apply the 70's or 80's filter to get some semblance of color for a while.

2K12 1960's Filter:

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2K12 1970's Filter:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/-3RhDj2sKXk?start=47" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

If 2K had been able to retain features like those shown above (and perhaps even built on them) I think they actually could have played a pivotal role (or more pivotal) in highlighting basketball history and educating those who gave those teams a shot. For instance, I don't think I knew each quarter used to start with a jump ball before 2K12.

Either way, I think there's some potential there, particularly with the "depends on the rules" debates that have been hot lately when it comes to comparing eras. A rule toggle that'd allow the Warriors to go back and play without a 3-point line, touchier offensive fouls, and travels for certain modern moves is kind of an intriguing prospect.

[Sellaz32]

Re: LEGENDS Thread - NBA 2K18 &amp; beyond: (Accessories, jerseys, sig styles etc)

I agree with all that’s been said about this. For years we could never get the option to adjust shorts length. It always seemed like something that should be easy to do. And yet we had to figure out all kinds of work arounds (like using a classic team slot) or give up on it.

The era specific rules and/or presentation would really take the retro teams to another level. Just for kicks here is an old school hype video I made on 2K12 when we had that 93 team roster that used REDitor at the time.

https://youtu.be/COICTZ-7Ylc

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[daveberg]

Re: LEGENDS Thread - NBA 2K18 &amp; beyond: (Accessories, jerseys, sig styles etc)

Accurate arena sounds are a MUST for classic teams. They're simply so hollow and empty with nothing but token, generic beats playing on occasion. Not quite how I remember it, watching the Bulls stick it to folk in the Chicago stadium with the ever present organ music!

We KNOW they can do them, as they have in the past with 2k11 & 12, but as is the trend with 2K, they give you something great, then strangely remove it a couple of years later.

Mark my words - MJ's one handed ball fake will vanish next year or the year after. It's a trend with these guys ;-)